So looks like this is the extended plan...Round 20 of SamWank '05, comin' your way.



If Sammy Hagar learned anything from last year's Van Halen reunion tour, it's that he wants to have fun playing music.

Taking that to heart, the self-proclaimed Red Rocker will stage the first of what he hopes will be many festivals, dubbed "The Tequila Made Me Do It!" at 3 p.m. Saturday at DTE Energy Music Theatre in Clarkston.

Sort of a natural evolution of Hagar's no-holds-barred parties-cum-concerts, the event will include a tailgate party, sand volleyball, mariachi music, Mexican food, bikini-clad Cabo Wabo girls, karaoke (dubbed "Sammy-oke") and an area where bronzed beauties and beefcake will spray revelers with suntan lotion.

It's a dry run (pun intended) for a possible summer festival tour. If the show's a success - and with fewer than 3,000 tickets left, it's looking pretty good - Hagar hopes to sell the idea to promoters around the country.

"In Detroit, we're writing the manual, recording and filming this whole thing from beginning to end, from load-in in the morning to the dump trucks full of beach sand being dropped off," the 55-year-old ex-Van Halen frontman said in a recent interview. "We're making a 15-minute instructional film of how this is the way Sammy wants to play."

In addition to the food, libations and eye candy, Hagar is making the choice real easy for hardcore and casual fans. Tickets are only $10 for lawn seating, $20 for pavilion - unusually low for a star of his stature. Hagar admitted that the hefty $350 VIP packages for last year's Van Halen tour "bothered me every night," so he consciously decided to keep prices down to attract larger crowds (DTE holds 16,000) who'll keep concessionaires busy.

"Ticket prices (today) make me sick. I happen to be a fortunate human being. That's why the slogan for the whole concept is 'The Tequila Made Me Do It!' I have the No. 2 premium brand in America," he said, referring to his popular Cabo Wabo Tequila line. "I don't have to make music my business anymore. I haven't for a long time."

The concept is simple: Recreate the simple pleasures he's enjoyed for years in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, where Hagar has a home and a popular nightclub, Cabo Wabo (he also has a club in Lake Tahoe).

"I'm trying to create in one fenced-in area the whole thing, what happens on the beach, downtown, the club, the music, the food, the taco stands. I'm trying to put it all together like that," he said.

"One of the main keys to Mexico is when the sun goes down, smelling the barbecue, all the taco stands, hearing the mariachis down the road. ... It gives me goose bumps now, just thinking about it."

The show has its roots in a "Cinco de Cabo" tour stop last May at the Fox Theatre in Detroit. Hagar and his manager invited officials from Clear Channel Entertainment's Detroit-area office Palace Sports & Entertainment, which owns DTE, to, as Hargar put it, "create this thing so Sammy can go out."

He drew additional inspiration from Jimmy Buffett's shows ("He's the godfather ... of the party") and his frustration with last year's Van Halen reunion tour, in which his touchy relationship with guitarist Eddie Van Halen deteriorated again.

"I'm very spontaneous and emotional about everything I do. Like the Van Halen thing just taught me so much, that this is not as much fun (as it should be)," he said. "This is one of the biggest bands in the world, selling huge amounts of tickets at huge prices and the fans are so happy and I'm up there going, 'Damn, this could be a lot of fun.' But we did the same show every night, and Eddie and I were not getting along offstage."

So don't hold your breath waiting for another Van Hagar reunion. Hagar has no misgivings about doing encores Saturday at DTE, Aug. 13 in Lake Tahoe and Aug. 14 in Concord, Calif., with Montrose, which will include guitarist Ronnie Montrose, bassist Bill Church and drummer Donny Carmasi.

"We're doing each other a favor," said Hagar, who is working on a song for Ronnie Montrose's upcoming duets album. Plus, "it's a nice perk for hardcore, old-time fans."

It's too early to tell if promoters will go for the whole enchilada, but Hagar says that if they want him to tour in the future, they'll have to step up to his table. "If you wanna book Sammy and the Wabos," he said, "this is what you gotta do."

Way to go Sammy, throw some more dirt on top of your Van Halenized coffin. If you are having fun great, keep it that way without pulling in the negativity.

i gotta say this:
from a business perspective, i like the way he handles his "franchise", so to speak..i admire his business sense and his drive and the fact that it DOES create a better value and an overall good time for the fan.
of course, im sure he makes loads of money off of concessions and stuff,, but i never harbor jealousy for a businessman making as much as he can. if i dont want to buy it, i dont have to.
And if its that hard to get along with Ed..if he truly is a downer, i dont think he should slam him, out of respect, but i cant say i blame him for not wanting to make music or tour w/ him.

I just wish Ed was/is the happy guitar guy..


oh, and yes, i may be schizophrenic!!

Sam's just havin fun now...VH is over, glad i saw em one last time. Just waiting for Sammy to come back to SA or Austin- his shows are always a good time.

Bring on an Eddie Van Halen solo cd...
Sammy's music is good...it's ok....

I want to hear Eddie and Alex
Let Eddie play bass and release something next year

Sammy's gone

Well since it sounds like VH is next to done with sam, I wonder if that means that Satch and Vai will come knocking on ed's door for a G3 tour which would be fuckin awesome!

Thank you Sammy if you read this post! It appears you've listened or read something to make you rethink what you say.

I have absolutely no problem with any of his comments. It's simply stating that he wanted it to be more fun than it was and he and Ed didn't get along like he would have liked. No finger pointing, no blame, no calling someone out on their personal issues.

THANK YOU SAMMY. That's showing alot more class and tact. I'm glad he is at least keeping us posted of his thoughts and some of his plans plus having a good time making a buck. Nothing wrong with that.

Oh yeah, and Edward, we are looking forward to that solo CD!:thumb:

Tickets are only $10 for lawn seating, $20 for pavilion - unusually low for a star of his stature. Hagar admitted that the hefty $350 VIP packages for last year's Van Halen tour "bothered me every night," so he consciously decided to keep prices down to attract larger crowds (DTE holds 16,000) who'll keep concessionaires busy.

"Ticket prices (today) make me sick. I happen to be a fortunate human being. That's why the slogan for the whole concept is 'The Tequila Made Me Do It!' I have the No. 2 premium brand in America," he said, referring to his popular Cabo Wabo Tequila line. "I don't have to make music my business anymore. I haven't for a long time."

Every time someone blames Sam in a cashgrab I'm gonna re-post this

Hagar admitted that the hefty $350 VIP packages for last year's Van Halen tour "bothered me every night,



So he didn't show up!, he prefered to get the money and don't give the FANS what they paid for.


Sammy, you defenetly are not a TEAM PLAYER, remeber this is (was) a band, not a solo act.

Now we all understand that you prefer to be the boss, and do things your way, not a band way.

If the $400 (not 350) price tag for 5-star tickets bothered him so much, why didn't he come out to soundcheck, mingle with the fans, sign autographs, etc., and hence give us our money's worth?? :irked:

I'm starting to get just a little bit sick of him.

Now we all understand that you prefer to be the boss, and do things your way, not a band way.


Dude, NONE of them have done things in a 'band way' since WACF, with the likely exceptions of Mikey and Gary. Dave liked to call the shots, and so did Ed and Al.

One thing these guys will never be accused of is perfect harmony. :)

Dude, NONE of them have done things in a 'band way' since WACF, with the likely exceptions of Mikey and Gary. Dave liked to call the shots, and so did Ed and Al.

One thing these guys will never be accused of is perfect harmony. :)


At least they looked like a band until 93, it just seems Sam, doesn't know that this type of comments only affect VAN HALEN fans, which he was part for a long time, and made all his money from, that's what bothers me.

I really don't think that there will ever be a VH with Sammy again. I'm ok with that. Sammy just wants to be Jimmy Buffet anyway....

Maybe they'll do something with Sammy again

One day...like a full cd and final tour but who knows when???

Maybe Dave will be back for a full cd or a box set of rare stuff and a few new songs...and a tour... but who knows when????

Maybe Eddie and Al will release an instrumental cd...
or an all-star cd

Or Eddie will score a film...

That's about all we can ever expect

It's all over for a while
unless a solo thing comes out
or dave
cause the sam thing IF it did happen would be in like 3 years...
:mad:

Well since it sounds like VH is next to done with sam, I wonder if that means that Satch and Vai will come knocking on ed's door for a G3 tour which would be fuckin awesome!

I doubt it. Those tours are for guitarists who remember how to play their guitars, not drunken ass-pipes like Eddie. Rock on Sammy!

I don't think Eddie would keep up with Joe or Steve nowadays. Doesn't alter the fact he is (IMO) better than both, just not at present

Every time someone blames Sam in a cashgrab I'm gonna re-post this


In other words, you get what you pay for. No one should be foolish enough to pay top dollar for a Samo Wabo show. His shows and his band are mediocre at best. Perhaps, this is because his concerts are just one big Cabo Wabo commercial and the musicians have lost their soul.

Of course tickets are cheap, he is marketing a product he says is the number 2 premium brand of tequila in the US. His tactics work and this is how he is making his money; he says so himself. My problem is how he is prostituting his musical side which has just become a marketing tool for him. Sammy Hagar has lost his soul.

I doubt it. Those tours are for guitarists who remember how to play their guitars, not drunken ass-pipes like Eddie. Rock on Sammy!

Dude - I don't think that Steve or Joe have been through cancer / divorces recently - If they did - do you think they would be up to playing?

With all due respect to both of them (and I've seen them live god-knows how many times), Ed has more feel / dynamics in his playing than either of those guys - and most importantly,,,he writes SONGS. (and doesn't have to starve for four days to do it!). I love them both - but they ain't Ed. When was the last time either of these guys wingd a solo on record.........never.

Joe was interviewed a couple of years ago and was asked who he would ideally like to bring on a G3, his answer was 'Edward Van Halen - but with respect to what we're doing, Ed can fill arenas on his own'.

Well since it sounds like VH is next to done with sam, I wonder if that means that Satch and Vai will come knocking on ed's door for a G3 tour which would be fuckin awesome!

To each their own, but... GOD... even being a musician, I would absolutely hate something like G3. *Yawn*.... Great... his 20-minute VH solo is now an hour. Now where did we park the car?

Bring back Dave or Gary or Mitch or Sass or Patty... just put out a new fucking record (and not an instrumental!)

Hopefully GREEN PEACE won't try to roll him back into the ocean...

i have always been more of a vh fan then sammy fan, but I dont get anyone knockin him for that annoucment. everything he says is true and everything he is doing is very cool.

i have no doubt sam rocks for the sake of rocking, I can no longer say that about the VH brothers.

i have always been more of a vh fan then sammy fan, but I dont get anyone knockin him for that annoucment. everything he says is true and everything he is doing is very cool.

i have no doubt sam rocks for the sake of rocking, I can no longer say that about the VH brothers.


Easy, I was just joking...He sure spared no punches with ED.

Easy, I was just joking...He sure spared no punches with ED.

wasnt directed at you nick, i was being more generic

Hopefully GREEN PEACE won't try to roll him back into the ocean...


Now, now. That's no way to talk. ;)

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Hopefully GREEN PEACE won't try to roll him back into the ocean...

LOL...what's that ol' Cheech and Chong song,"Save the whales...but shoot the seals!!..."

Taking that to heart, the self-proclaimed Red Rocker will stage the first of what he hopes will be many festivals, dubbed "The Tequila Made Me Do It!" at 3 p.m. Saturday at DTE Energy Music Theatre in Clarkston.

This is why Sammy and Ed can not work together again. To Sammy FUN = Booze, Partying, and Music. Ed is about the music, Sammy is not, he's about the party. It's sad that music is secondary to him now, and sad to me that he uses his music to sell booze.

the 55-year-old ex-Van Halen frontman said in a recent interview. "We're making a 15-minute instructional film of how this is the way Sammy wants to play."
This just seems really arrogant to me. Who said they were glad to see Sammy talk straight up for once?? He's talking the same wishy-wash in the moment stuff he always says. People just read too far into things I think.


"Ticket prices (today) make me sick. I happen to be a fortunate human being. That's why the slogan for the whole concept is 'The Tequila Made Me Do It!' I have the No. 2 premium brand in America," he said, referring to his popular Cabo Wabo Tequila line. "I don't have to make music my business anymore. I haven't for a long time."

Yes it's good that he's bringing down ticket prices which is good, but I'm sick of him being two faced about ticket prices. I'd be willing to bet money that his ticket prices would be higher if he wasn't profiting off tequila sales at his gigs, and with this festival deal, most likely making a percentage off consessions and what have you.

The last thing is, I doubt this would have even took off if it wasn't riding the coat-tails of the Van Halen tour. It seems more and more like Sammy was using the Van Halen tour to gain leverage for his buisness. SAD.

That said, I still want to go this festival, sounds fun.

LOL...Ed's not just about the music. Never was. On the flip side of what I said earlier...if there's one thing all these dudes have in common, it's knowing how to party. Dave, Sam, Mike, Ed, and Al all have been, or still are, pardoozling ragers.

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The party and the tunes go hand in hand with Halen, to this day, all the way back to the beginning. It's what's resulted in the legend, the flavor, the style, and yes, the eventual addictions, conflicts, and problems. But it is what is.

As they say, to thine own self be true, even unto Hell.

(I don't say that, btw....that's what THEY say. Good ol' THEY. I wanna hook up with THEY someday and pop that buggery prick in the teeth :) ).

As my dear old grandma used to say, Everything in moderation, stands a life of jubilation.

I guess that means it's cool to bone your hot aunt Velma if it's just the once. :sssh:

Not a single friggin' one of us (those of us, that is, that can stomach Sam era VH) would be having issues with donkeys or sombreros or corporate-sanctioned tailgate parties if it were Ed and Mike there instead of Vic and Mona, that's for certain.

LOL...Ed's not just about the music. Never was.

I have to dissagree with this. I didn't say he's just about the music. I said he's about the music. Comparing him and sammy in this regard is like night and day.

From the time Ed started playing guitar we have quotes from Al saying he would go out and party and come home at 2 in the morning to find Ed playing guitar.

As well carry that into the Studio and the seriousness and creativity he adds to his craft. He's the first one in the studio and the last one out.

Yeah, they all party.. sex drugs rock and roll right.

The difference is music came first to Ed. Partying second.

Sam is the opposite.

Ed is at the heart of all things A composer of music.

Sam is what is nickname entails... the Red Rocker :)

I have to dissagree with this. I didn't say he's just about the music. I said he's about the music. Comparing him and sammy in this regard is like night and day.

From the time Ed started playing guitar we have quotes from Al saying he would go out and party and come home at 2 in the morning to find Ed playing guitar.

As well carry that into the Studio and the seriousness and creativity he adds to his craft. He's the first one in the studio and the last one out.

Yeah, they all party.. sex drugs rock and roll right.

The difference is music came first to Ed. Partying second.

Sam is the opposite.

Ed is at the heart of all things A composer of music.

Sam is what is nickname entails... the Red Rocker :)

What you're saying may be true, but who wants a composer that writes music no one will ever hear? I'd rather have Ed out there playing guitar in front of his fans and enjoying his life then squirreled away like a hermit.

Sammy may never write another song again but at least he still entertains his fans. I wish I could say the same for Ed.

Sam still plays the tunes more than he drinks the tequila.

Unless you're actually Sam, or Ed, telling us what they truly are, at their heart of hearts, is a guess at best. On the other hand, it'd be stupid to deny that a major component of all that makes up Van Halen is the wackadoo party on lifestyle. In fact, one might argue Ed's axe work takes a backseat to the overall flavor of VAN HALEN. The entity itself is bigger than any of its parts, although granted, Eddie's guitar is right smack dab after that.

And let's face it, Ed knows how to tip a bottle.

Point being, most of us would rather have Us Festival III, with Dave and Sam double-billing in a two part monster set headlining rager, with whiskey, tequila, and babes flowing every which way, over an Edward solo album. ;)

Sammy may never write another song again...

Law'd have mercy...I doubt that we could be so lucky. :D

LOL :D

Look, I'm the biggest Eddie fan here but come on....You can't blame Sammy for VH being in dry-dock (or the drunk tank). That responsibility rests on Ed's shoulders and his alone. There may have been a time when all Ed wanted to do was play but obviously those days have passed. Sammy, like him or not, has been the consistant player in this picture. He was rockin' out before Van Halen and has kept the same pace since he's been out. In fact Sammy and Dave have been more faithful to playing live than the Van Halen brothers and neither of them seem to car if it's Madison Square Garden or a soup kitchen.

Face it, Ed sitting at home playing his guitar and recording songs doesn't make him a purest, it makes him....me :irked: , and that's pretty lame.

Thank you Sammy if you read this post! It appears you've listened or read something to make you rethink what you say.

I have absolutely no problem with any of his comments. It's simply stating that he wanted it to be more fun than it was and he and Ed didn't get along like he would have liked. No finger pointing, no blame, no calling someone out on their personal issues.

THANK YOU SAMMY. That's showing alot more class and tact. I'm glad he is at least keeping us posted of his thoughts and some of his plans plus having a good time making a buck. Nothing wrong with that.

Oh yeah, and Edward, we are looking forward to that solo CD!:thumb:


I have to agree - much more tactful. Closure with class.

So Sammy moves on, and a possible new chapter begins for Eddie/Alex....and whoever else. Should be interesting to see what will, or will not develop from this point on.

As they say, to thine own self be true, even unto Hell.
(I don't say that, btw....that's what THEY say. Good ol' THEY. I wanna hook up with THEY someday and pop that buggery prick in the teeth :) ).


Speaking of THEY, thought I saw THEY at the Starbuck's at Barrington & San Vicente......can't be sure because of the sunglasses, but sure looked like THEY!!! :D

What you're saying may be true, but who wants a composer that writes music no one will ever hear? I'd rather have Ed out there playing guitar in front of his fans and enjoying his life then squirreled away like a hermit.


I agree with you, and it pisses me off that Ed is in his hermitt hut not putting out music. This is his current state though and I'll still give him more time to do what he's gotta do to put himself together.

VH Halen with Sam is done, but I don't think Ed is done yet. :cool:

Hagar admitted that the hefty $350 VIP packages for last year's Van Halen tour "bothered me every night,



So he didn't show up!, he prefered to get the money and don't give the FANS what they paid for.


Sammy, you defenetly are not a TEAM PLAYER, remeber this is (was) a band, not a solo act.

Now we all understand that you prefer to be the boss, and do things your way, not a band way.

Again.......It's just Sam spewing shit out of his mouth for attention.

No Offence, but seeing Sammy without VH is just ...so...boring. I try to get into some of his songs, but the whole time I'm watching him I feel like I'm watching some lame commercial for "the good life". He's a decent performer, but I get so tired of him hawking his blue Juice and Mexico Trip. I went to Mexico a few years ago and it was a dried up shit hole. Everywhere are little kids trying to sell shit and vendors pushing illegal items that will never make it back to the states. Dude, if you wanna live there, then go, but don't try to sell me on your lifestyle....and by the way, how can one drunk try to council and refuse to work with another drunk? Sam parties like he has 3 livers. And I am not saying Dave is the Great White Hope, but at least the guy isn't trying to push Davesicle Pudding Pops or Diamond Dave's Donuts...Ahhh what's the use? It's not Van Halen, and it never will be...Thank God for my Old Cd and DVD Bootlegs...now that's more like it...yes, even with Gary. Here's your bullseye, happy hunting.

Dave, whiskey, cocaine, midgets, bikini babes, tunes.

Sam, tequila, weed, donkeys, bikini babes, tunes.

It's all the same deal. You either 'get' the Van Halen lifestyle or you don't.

Not that I'm defending the Cabo way, but it's really not that much of a stretch for me...beaches, babes, booze, and Mexican flavor have been a standard component of existence all my life in SoCal. I guess if I grew up in Buttfuck, Indiana, it might seem more disparate to me. FYI, the Tijuana econo route to Mexico isn't really 'doing' Mexico. South of the border can be a damned good time if you know what you're doing and where you're going. And the kids selling cheapjack goods aren't any different from the shyster New York street vendors. It's easy to burn a wasted buck anywhere you go these days.

BTW...I'd buy Davesicle Pudding Pops in a New York minute. I'm a sucker for Van Halen marketing. :sssh:

Twang. :)

From all this Sammy Wank Fest 2005 has been, it would surprise me Ed being the quiet one is taking stock as we speak and may just may be about to release a statement that will enlighten us all.

A statement could be a 2 dorks call or even music ... Somethings brewing, why is Sammy trying to build such a HUGE canyon between himself and Ed ....

Sam.

The whole damn thing sounds like a blast. It might even beat VH 04. Or maybe it won't, but since it's all music, and it's all fun, I'm hip to that groove.

When is this crazy shit going to hit Chicago? Probably not until next summer...:brickwall: O well, I can't wait to have a shot with a donkey, sing me some Sammyroke, and have some "waitresses" squirt some lotion on me?
Yea, none of that sounds like any fun at all.

Bring it Bitches.

The whole damn thing sounds like a blast. It might even beat VH 04. Or maybe it won't, but since it's all music, and it's all fun, I'm hip to that groove.

When is this crazy shit going to hit Chicago? Probably not until next summer...:brickwall: O well, I can't wait to have a shot with a donkey, sing me some Sammyroke, and have some "waitresses" squirt some lotion on me?
Yea, none of that sounds like any fun at all.

Bring it Bitches.

:funny:

Here's a man who doesn't let rock politicking get in the way of truth, justice, and the magical mystery tour. :thumb:

I'm bummed I'm missing the Tahoe gig this weekend. Wish he'd add a friggin' L.A. date, but looks like we're gonna have to wait for a new Wabo album before another tour.

I'm still amazed that there is no LA date.

Every time someone blames Sam in a cashgrab I'm gonna re-post thisWhy? Because you actually believe this shit? Sam is all about the money. PERIOD. He simply knows he can't charge very much for tickets as a solo act.

I hope Sammy brings his festival to the New England area. As a fan of both Hagar and Roth, I really enjoy Sammy's shows. It's a big party!!! As for his relationship with Ed, so be it. They are two different people who at one time had equal interests. But as you know in life, people change...for the better and for the worst. As I said last year during the reunion tour, if that's the last we see of VH, I accepted it. They came back, gave us a great show (at least the ones I saw) and are probably done. Yes, there is always the chance that DLR may come back. Was the decade of 1996-2005 the way, I would have scripted it for the greatest rock band? No but it happened and there is nothing we can do to change it. Yes, it's a shame but it's also a part of life. The one thing that will NEVER change is the music and good times they gave us.

Why? Because you actually believe this shit? Sam is all about the money. PERIOD. He simply knows he can't charge very much for tickets as a solo act.


Here's what I believe......we'll be having more fun than should be allowed by law.

You, on the other hand, will still be pissed. Major suckage, man.

Van Halen lifestyle? Cabo lifestyle?

Their lifestyle, not yours, cause your buying what their selling......

That simple.......................


Sam acts like he is doing a big favor while he rubs your face in the fact that you have made him alot of money.....More power to him , but lets tell it like it is............Ever notice he talks about cash in every interview and usually mentions it in every concert.........Businessman...

He is the Ronald Mcdonald of tequila......

Nope, it's been part of my lifestyle for decades, too. They didn't have to sell me anything, I was already exposed. I drank good tequila before he came out with his brand. I hit plenty of local concerts and parties and festivals having Mexican food and skimpy clad babes everywhere, long before CaboPalooza. Why do you think he started the whole deal? Because there was an EXISTING market for it. Van Halen, Sammy, Dave...are California boys. ;)

Geez, this is a complicated and apparently wicked issue for lots of you. What do you think Dave was talking about when he sang Beautiful Girls or Bottoms Up? Van Halen is a party band. Sam and Dave represent the masses. Deal with it. :rolleyes:

Yes it's good that he's bringing down ticket prices which is good, but I'm sick of him being two faced about ticket prices. I'd be willing to bet money that his ticket prices would be higher if he wasn't profiting off tequila sales at his gigs, and with this festival deal, most likely making a percentage off consessions and what have you.
Interesting observation that the ticket prices for the San Diego show the other night were much higher....maybe it was because there were no alcohol sales allowed (casino didn't have liquor license I heard)...

I don't care about any of this stuff anymore; the complaining, old fights, new fights, donkeys, tours, whatever. I just want NEW VH music PERIOD!
I don't care who sings on it anymore or if anyone does, just give me some new tunes with Ed on guitar.

I think that it is funny that Dave and Sam have some kind of party credibility because they are from California......Boys, hardly...Its 2005 last time I checked....We're padding our retirement accounts now brutha..So is Sam, plain and simple...He puts on a good show...I still go see him.....Ill be in Tahoe tomorrow in fact....But it is about the money if you look a little closer.

Dude, posting on the internet all day is the real lifestyle................

LOL.....fuck Sammy Hagar! He talks about how music doesn't have to be his business anymore, cause he has other ventures. So then music WAS a business to him at some point....nice! To Ed and Al music is a way of life, they have to make a living at it. Not that I appreciate the high ticket prices.....I'm not a rich guy...but I see alot more musical talent behind the Van Halens than good ole Sam. Not to piss anyone off, Sam was great with VH and did some good stuff on his own, but he far from a Edward Van Halen....and he's knows that. I'm guessin that's why he has to judge Ed's drinking and change in behavior. I wonder how hard he actually tried to help his friend out before bailing straight for the Wabos!

Adios Sammy Hagar...nice knowin ya!

I'll be lookin for Ed's material of any kind in the future. He wrote "Death by Hollywood" music and lyrics with someone or something in mind... :thumb:

Good for Hagar.

He has created a very solid niche for himself and he should ride the cash, glory and fun wave for all long as he possibly can.

The guy is really smart and has a very unique voice.

The only area I feel he lacks is in the craftsmanship quality of his writing. It's a little too cookie cutter and passionless for my taste, but you can't knock the guy for being a success. Also, he is making sure that he continues his visability post-halen so he doesn't end up in Roth's current state of forgotten. Roth is doing the same stuff by developing his radio career. The VH train has nothing left but expensive reunion tours. We'll get the Dave version in the next few years, but VH doesn't look like they can release anything remotely U2 worthy anymore. Top of the industry dominance is fleeting as quickly as we fill up our 401K retirement accounts.

Go Sam go. While you still can....

A ticket for a Van Halen show for me was $130

A ticket for a Waborita show is now $20?

That sounds fair, that is about the difference between the talent of the two bands. Sammy finally realized this too it looks like. Like someone else on this thread said, you get what you pay for.

I finally understand Ed's complaining bout how Sam wouldn't be all into the band and was out do'n too many others things. Can you honestly expect the best from someone who doesn't put his all into it? Glad for Sam and his success in Tequila sales. You just can't drive 55, while the eagles fly up your three lock box buddy.... :thumb:



my vent.....handle it

I think that it is funny that Dave and Sam have some kind of party credibility because they are from California......Boys, hardly...Its 2005 last time I checked....We're padding our retirement accounts now brutha..So is Sam, plain and simple...He puts on a good show...I still go see him.....Ill be in Tahoe tomorrow in fact....But it is about the money if you look a little closer.


As opposed to the Dave years, when it was only about the music. :sssh:

And yeah, you dig a California band. Too bad for you. :)

For one, I live in California... Thats what makes it funny to me................Not the 909

Ed was about the music or you never would have had the great guitar work that you have.....Everybody benefited from Ed's supreme talent and love for the music........

Where would Sam be if Ed had never been around....Where would Sam be without the Jimmy Buffet business plan ????

And SamWank '05 continues!

Think it's sort of mind-numbingly obvious that everybody benefited from Ed's love of the music. Even more painfully evident is the fact that Sam became a bigger entity once he joined Van Halen. Nobody's denying that, Sam wouldn't himself, I'm sure.

I was just saying, Sam's Cabo lifestyle image isn't anything outta the bounds of Van Halen-ish ambience. It started while he was in Van Halen (before that, it was an admittedly weak Detroit-55-red and yellow jumpsuit-Billy Squier-Nugent deal). Davey and the boys had been doing party-style PR and image since backyard Pasadena. It just isn't that big a stretch for Sam to do it solo. People saying 'geez, what a hack cheeseball, only in it for the money' are purposefully choosing to omit Dave TV, the worldwide media splash of 1984, and the US Fest pricetag.

Damn, bands make money off their music and image. Call Ripley's. :rolleyes:

Bands make money off their music and image........Wish that was the way it was.........Sounds like 1984 is creeping in again.........

Sam is making money off of anything he can.....Tequila, cabo diapers, hats,restaurants, posters, sunglasses, towels. license plate frames, bibs for your baby, suntan lotion..Cabo clocks... .Did you ever see the shampoo so you could have hair like his?? Ony the finest ingredients for his fans he said....Red Rocker bicycles...Red Rocker clothing line that failed miserably .....
How about the bowling alley that never got off the ground??? What is his image???????????


At what point do you say no mas no mas???

Oh, so you're not questioning the music business and all its facets. You're okay with bands marketing themselves via merchandise and product endorsement. You're merely questioning the degree in which Sam engages in such business practice. You're saying there's such a thing as Cabo overkill. Gotcha. Well, don't drink the tequila in Tahoe this weekend, I guess. It's not like you have to buy any of the stuff. A fifty dollar concert is still a fifty dollar concert if you don't buy any of the crapola. :thumb:

The only area I feel he lacks is in the craftsmanship quality of his writing. It's a little too cookie cutter and passionless for my taste, but you can't knock the guy for being a success.

That's how I feel about his writing too. This to me is another reason why Ed and Sam can't continue working together. Sam just doesn't have the commitment to sit down and put time and effort into something. This is quite evident on the new tunes, as well as Humans being. His standards are much lower and he is just as stubborn as Ed. To prove his point Sam is even making an instructional video about how to do it like Sammy... please.

I believe In the same interview I have in my sig, Ed says that Sam caused problems on every record except 5150. Maybe Ed will have to watch Sam's new instructional video to know how to work with Sam on Sams level :rolleyes:

One other thing Ed said in that interview is, the only difference between Sam and Dave is that Dave never lied. :eek:

I want to thank all of you well most of you. When I am having a bad day I log on read the post and all I can do is smile. I never knew so many people on this board had such insight with Ed, Sam, Al and Mikey to know what they are thinking all the time. This is great, I have a few questions that maybe a few of you can answer for me.
1. Ed being the music lover and only doing it for the music, what is the main reason he doesn't ever play music?
2. Sam doing it all for the money, while on tour solo makes close to a mill but with Van Halen can make 10 times that, so if its all about the money then why would he not do it with Van Halen? Must be a idiot?
3. Al, being finacially ruined after the devorse and inactivity, decided to be buds with who, Sammy! why cause the love of music right? hmmmmmmmm,
4. Mikey, hard to say anything about Mikey but "hot sauce" going to be sold at the Cabo Wabos and the out door festivals. Sorry Mikey.
All about the music, the last Van halen tour more than half the shows were ok at best why???????? cause the booze was more important than the music and the fans no not the Cabo Wabo but the Wine.

I know what I would do, Take the control, have fun, party, play a different set list each night, love my band, hang with the wife and kids, no stress, no fighting. 58 years old and just riding it off into the sun set OR be miserable, fight with the band, play a one set list, can't party, can't bring the family around, can't have your cabo around, never knowing how musically you will sound tonight? Hard choice I got to tell but the great thing about being an American, yeah we get to choose, you can jump in your 1970 Camero jacked up, comb your mullet and be on your waying listen to some of the greatest rock music ever written with the VH boys and DD, , and think back to when you were in shape and play'd high school football or just move on!

Keep it up I love you haters, makes me more thankful everyday for what I go.

Heh. They're just bitter wankers who'd rather throw stones than admit the fact that Sam's a success, 9. Funny thing, you never meet any of 'em in the real world, at hard rock shows and such, you only see 'em online. Funny, that. They'll excuse any 'business' protocol pre-1985, 'cause that's when it was okay to promote stuff. :rolleyes: Now here come the slags that you're biased as a relative of Sam's. It's like clockwork.

BTW, do us a solid and ask your uncle why he doesn't throw Karma Wheel into the setlist. He oughta. :)

I imagine everyone has access to the same interviews posted on the main page. These to me, are the only way to gain an understanding about the dealings of the band. It's the closest thing to facts that are available. If there are other sources of info let me know. I'm only looking for the truth here, thats about all.

Funny thing, you never meet any of 'em in the real world......

You say this like it's a bad thing. :thumb:

Hell, I find a few nuggets of merit in the idea that I will soon be attending a balls-to-the-wall Hagar-fest without having to deal with one of these scintillating personalities. :D

Heh...they really are scintillating, aren't they? :p

1. Ed being the music lover and only doing it for the music, what is the main reason he doesn't ever play music?


You are correct. Ed doesn't play much which is why he was so sloppy on tour. I believe he had to relearn some of the tunes for the show. Yes the money was a big motivational factor for him as well.


2. Sam doing it all for the money, while on tour solo makes close to a mill but with Van Halen can make 10 times that, so if its all about the money then why would he not do it with Van Halen? Must be a idiot?


Sam went with Alex for the same reason Alex called Sam. For the cash infusion. I've heard about Sam's cost-cutting attempts when prepping for the tour, so I'd say guilty as charged on this one.


3. Al, being finacially ruined after the devorse and inactivity, decided to be buds with who, Sammy! why cause the love of music right? hmmmmmmmm,


Yup. Al was getting low on cash. Hard to believe "financial ruin" but definitely in need of a pumping.


4. Mikey, hard to say anything about Mikey but "hot sauce" going to be sold at the Cabo Wabos and the out door festivals. Sorry Mikey.
All about the music, the last Van halen tour more than half the shows were ok at best why???????? cause the booze was more important than the music and the fans no not the Cabo Wabo but the Wine.

Mikey is Sammy lite.

9, I respect Sammy and anyone who can make a living at doing what they love, especially when it comes from the heart. But this tour ALL AROUND was a cash grab and nothing more for all 4 of them. 3 heartless tunes, a drunk, an angry drummer, a constant salesman and a tag along.

Answer this question:

1 - How come U2 does it for the money as well with loads of tie-ins and advertisers and yet the end product comes off so much more sincere? Cause they still care about the art in addition to the gross.

Peace and repect, be well.

Rocket -

Hagar admitted that the hefty $350 VIP packages for last year's Van Halen tour "bothered me every night,



So he didn't show up!, he prefered to get the money and don't give the FANS what they paid for.


Sammy, you defenetly are not a TEAM PLAYER, remeber this is (was) a band, not a solo act.

Now we all understand that you prefer to be the boss, and do things your way, not a band way.

You idiot! He didn't give the fans what they paid for??!?!? What do you expect him to do, no show? Argue and fight on stage? It wasn't just Sam who was unhappy on the tour. Even Mike said that Ed's drinking was the problem and Al just went with his brother. Again, the problem all along with post DLR-VH has been Ed. He's a controlling drunk. It's really that simple. I know it's hard to change and drop habits, but Ed IS the problem. Anyone who dismisses this is lying to themselves.

Said it many times before, Sam is a standup guy. The only reason why he is getting slammed is because he's the ONLY one talking. I guarantee that we will NEVER hear a public announcement from Ed or Al about the past or current state of Van Halen because they are dysfunctional drunks who just don't care anymore.

I guarantee that we will NEVER hear a public announcement from Ed or Al about the past or current state of Van Halen because they are dysfunctional drunks who just don't care anymore.

Is this not a VH forum, for fans of Van Halen? Time to leave if you feel this way...no? :wtf:

You are correct. Ed doesn't play much which is why he was so sloppy on tour. I believe he had to relearn some of the tunes for the show. Yes the money was a big motivational factor for him as well.



Sam went with Alex for the same reason Alex called Sam. For the cash infusion. I've heard about Sam's cost-cutting attempts when prepping for the tour, so I'd say guilty as charged on this one.



Yup. Al was getting low on cash. Hard to believe "financial ruin" but definitely in need of a pumping.


Mikey is Sammy lite.

9, I respect Sammy and anyone who can make a living at doing what they love, especially when it comes from the heart. But this tour ALL AROUND was a cash grab and nothing more for all 4 of them. 3 heartless tunes, a drunk, an angry drummer, a constant salesman and a tag along.

Answer this question:

1 - How come U2 does it for the money as well with loads of tie-ins and advertisers and yet the end product comes off so much more sincere? Cause they still care about the art in addition to the gross.

Peace and repect, be well.

Rocket -


Excellent post.

It's really funny reading this post.
"I don't like Sam because he's successful". "David Lee Roth is not washed up". "Sam makes money and rubs it in my face by making me pay a whole $10 to go see him". Why is everybody so pissed off Hagar makes money? You can't say the guy doesn't enjoy playing music for people. So he has fun playing music and gets paid fairly well for it. You don't think U2, Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, and any other recognizable bands aren't businessmen? You don't think every band that tours isn't concerned about how many asses are in seats?
The day has come when out of all drama with Van Halen over the years, Hagar is the only one still standing. I'm sure there's a bunch of you that'll have a bunch of cute little one-liners to spew about that, but it's true. But keep up your stupid comments about why Sam makes money and nobody else in the music industry does. Why the Van Halen tour was a "cash-grab" and any other tour out there isn't. Please keep talking about how DLR is coming back to save Van Halen. Because of all the stupid comments, that's my favorite.

I think a bit of perspective is being lost here - this is THE Van Halen forum on the net. We are all a bit more than just fans - hence us taking the time out to come here - shit I pretty much live on this damn web site!

As such - any perceived animosity towards Sam on this matter is mostly frustration on our part as we can't really see a way forward with Dave (it wouldn't be 1984 revisited), the Sam thing seems like a cash grab with half hearted attempts all around, and they cannot get another singer.....

We are frustrated fans - frustrated with Ed, frustrated with Sam, frustrated at comments being made, frustrated at Sam's success etc etc BECAUSE ALL OF THESE THINGS TAKE OUR VH FURTHER AWAY FROM US.

Things in writing are almost always perceived without the human perspective (emotion), I don't hate Sam - I love the guy for what he's bought me, I love Dave, I love Ed and I love Mike and Al - these guys have bought me so much pleasure that I cannot put it into words......however with that pleasure is borne the massive frustration that we have now....our band that we have grown up with seem not to be here any more......shit, for the first time in 20 years I may not have my VH to look forward to - scary.

I don't want this band to go away, and Sam's rants about VH make it all seem so much more inevitable - hence this thread......I don't want them to go away - I want more music, I don't even want to see them live 'cause that's a finite entity...I want a sparkly new CD that I can put into my car stereo after buying it and hold my breath and listen.........

I don't want that to go away - it looks like it is, I don't want to accept it - so I look for the only visible target - at the moment that is Sam.

Don't know how many of you guys are the same - that's how this is panning out to me.

Those are good points, X, but the only visible target is merely a symptom, not the cause.

I realized, amazingly, that there really are much bigger EVH apologists than myself in the last few years. But it's hard to deny the evidence we saw last year during the tour, whether it was a subpar show, rumors of odd behavior, an attitude during soundcheck, or whathaveyou...

We can wank about lead singers and cashgrabs and tunes that didn't meet our expectations all we want, none of it matters....what's nearly concrete in conclusion at this point is, getting more Van Halen in any incarnation is all dependent on the health, happiness, and desire of one Edward Van Halen.

Ed doesn’t owe us anything period, so we should all get our heads out of our collective asses. He gave us 25 years of great music, changed the way guitar was approached and played more than anyone since Hendrix, who still a lot would argue didn’t do as much as Ed.
His entire career he has had to deal with the pressures of being Edward Van Halen with both the fans, and his peers which I am sure isn’t a walk in the park; No misses Ed, you are NOT allowed, you OWE us, gimme a break. We went because we liked the product; he never put a gun to our heads. Having said that nobody forced him to hit the booze like he has that is his own doing, the cancer, a high profile marriage, divorce, being considered the saviour of the guitar, that is a lot to have on ones plate to say the least, and even though he probably hasn’t gone about handling it right who are we to judge?

Then there is $ammy Hagar, the honest one, LOL, seriously lets take a look at the past, a guy named Claudio and Eddie Van Halen are the only reasons $ammy is not on the Surreal Life or a host on American Idol today. Does he have talent, yes not arguing that at all, would his career have lasted these past twenty years? Not a chance. He is not a idiot he got in with one of the biggest bands at the time and a already legendary guitar player, I mean who wouldn’t? Lets’ be honest though, Never Said Goodbye, sold why, Eddie Van Halen played on it and it was right after the success of 5150, the Cabo Wabo? If anyone thinks the success of that name has to do with $ammy, get a life.
At the time Van Halen was such a huge household name in America the place just took off, it was a great idea by $am the timing couldn’t have been better a VAN HALEN bar, the fans will love it! A sure place to visit! So he rides out the Van Halen train for 10 years, and plugs away the Cabo Wabo any chance he gets, and hey the fans will flock there, any chance to see VAN HALEN would be unreal. So when the entire Twister thing goes down Ed, Al, and Mike all talked of how $am was against it, but what happened, the offered him more $$$ and he did it.

So now $am bails on Van Halen and goes back to a solo career, riding high on the Van Halen break up and success of the band and uses the break up any chance he gets to market himself and the bar, again great business sense by $am, Marching To Mars (which I think is a great album) sells around what 380,00 plus copies and does his tour promising to play VH tunes a part of the show so again (myself included) went to the show because of the Van Halen tie in. Then album after album his numbers got less and less, he got Mike on board for tours and shows again the Van Halen connection and to keep marketing his Cabo Empire, eventually he came to the conclusion that nobody really gave a fuck about $ammy Hagar and he was approaching 100 so he got a idea, call Al for the cash grab and to get his name back in circulation so he could market his product AGAIN, lets face it, a $am interview without a Van Halen mention is boring and of no real interest. So then the tour is over and he goes at it again: I was against this, I wanted the fans to have this, That wasn’t my idea, Ed is this, Ed is that, crying like a little bitch but always making him out to be the golden child and again to market his product.

The thing is, it was no secret about Ed’s demons throughout the industry before that tour even took place, I have had the chance to talk to a number of 80’s bands that are all friends and familiar with Ed, while they did say he came into a bad state, they switched gear right after that into great Eddie and Van Halen stories that made great point in there lives, none of then took the $am road at put his entire personal life on trial, and bringing his brother and whatever else into it. Bottom line, $am knew about Eddie’s state BEFORE the signing of the tour but did it anyway, for the fans? If you want to believe that go ahead, don’t forget to tell us that Santa exists too. Did they all do it as a cash grab? Of course, lets not kid ourselves, but just like he did in the first breakup of VH, and the end of the $am and Dave tour he ran to the press and cried like a bitch, wanting to win public opinion. Can you think of anybody other than maybe the Crue that has used the press this much to roast other band members?

The reason $am can do these big shows is because of his 2004 tour money and his Cabo Wabo $$, and do you think if it was for a guy named Claudio and Eddie he would be able to sell 13,00 tickets? Fuck No, let alone could he charge less and less for the tickets as well, and hey $am don’t forget to mention Mike and the Van Halen name to bring the fans out.
I always thought $am was a better fit then Dave was and that was my opinion, but when I look back at the end of the Dave era and the 96 scam, I can’t for the life of me remember Dave crying like $am, is it because he is honest, or he doesn’t want to burn his last chance, well that is up for debate, but as much as I would be the first in line to see Ed with ANY singer, the thought of this fraud $am up there again on a stage with them makes me sick.
I was at the Rock Never Stops 2005 tour last Thurs in Buffalo and there where Van Halen shirts out in full force more then any of the groups on the bill, and we shot the shit in between sets and even the $am era fans were sick of $am, but the Dave era fans had hardons like crazy because I think they know the more $am buries himself Dave will be back sooner than you think, and let us not forget for a guy who cares about the fans so much, why the same Dave era tunes every tour? Did we forget about the 3 tour setlist? But that was probably Ed’s fault too.

Little Guitars and Van Squalen......as usual - great posts!

To me, Ed and Sam to me are almost the epitome of the 'artist' vs 'the business man'.

Ed is a genius at one thing. It is a gift and you are right, to as far as Jimi goes - Ed to me has done a hell of a lot more (for a start he figured out how to keep Strat trems in tune!). Hell think about it - if it wasn't for Ed - where would the electric guitar be now? There were no guitar bands at the time and disco had pretty much taken everything - they pretty much started the LA scene and everybody wanted to be Ed.....in Jimi's time - the guitar was the prevailent instrument anyway - it certainly didn't have to be re-born!

...However - with this gift comes the other demons that usually come with genius - introvert, dependent, hermit-like, misunderstood etc etc.

If Ed was a business man - we'd have VH dolls, an album every year, the McHalen burger etc etc.........I respect Ed for not releasing more - but on the other hand it frustrates the hell out of me 'cause I savour every note from this guy.

Sam is capitalising on his reasonable amount of talent - he has a great voice, plays a bit on guitar and writes OK tunes where he seems to take a hell of a lot more pride in his lyrics that he does with VH.....but he is the epitomy to me of capitalism these days....it seems like he will do anything to gain more cash and the constant quotes about his fans and all that is starting to get to me now - if only he seemed to care about Ed as much??

Like I said in my previous post - I love these guys for everything they have given to us, but some perspectives have really been lost to me.....

However - I do not know what has gone on, I don't know what Sam went through with Ed or vice-versa, I don't know these guys to make a character judgement...........I am just a frustrated fan who reads to much into posts on this board.

If Sam Hagar was so "bothered" by the $350 VH VIP tix, dontcha think he could have at least showed up to sound check and tried to give the people their money's worth? No, instead those people were treated to a Pete Rose-style autograph session. And Ed wasn't signing!!
Cha-ching, folks...cha-ching.

If Sam Hagar was so "bothered" by the $350 VH VIP tix, dontcha think he could have at least showed up to sound check and tried to give the people their money's worth?
Keep in mind that the ILAA 5-Star "Soundcheck", wasn't really the actual soundcheck. However, even with that in mind, Sammy showed up at two of the ILAA events I attended, even singing "Jump" at the one.

Every time someone blames Sam in a cashgrab I'm gonna re-post this


The 2004 tour was as much about his own ego as money. But even so, people that have money love even more money. Period.

Little Guitars and Van Squalen......as usual - great posts!

To me, Ed and Sam to me are almost the epitome of the 'artist' vs 'the business man'.

Ed is a genius at one thing. It is a gift and you are right, to as far as Jimi goes - Ed to me has done a hell of a lot more (for a start he figured out how to keep Strat trems in tune!). Hell think about it - if it wasn't for Ed - where would the electric guitar be now? There were no guitar bands at the time and disco had pretty much taken everything - they pretty much started the LA scene and everybody wanted to be Ed.....in Jimi's time - the guitar was the prevailent instrument anyway - it certainly didn't have to be re-born!

...However - with this gift comes the other demons that usually come with genius - introvert, dependent, hermit-like, misunderstood etc etc.

If Ed was a business man - we'd have VH dolls, an album every year, the McHalen burger etc etc.........I respect Ed for not releasing more - but on the other hand it frustrates the hell out of me 'cause I savour every note from this guy.

Sam is capitalising on his reasonable amount of talent - he has a great voice, plays a bit on guitar and writes OK tunes where he seems to take a hell of a lot more pride in his lyrics that he does with VH.....but he is the epitomy to me of capitalism these days....it seems like he will do anything to gain more cash and the constant quotes about his fans and all that is starting to get to me now - if only he seemed to care about Ed as much??

Like I said in my previous post - I love these guys for everything they have given to us, but some perspectives have really been lost to me.....

However - I do not know what has gone on, I don't know what Sam went through with Ed or vice-versa, I don't know these guys to make a character judgement...........I am just a frustrated fan who reads to much into posts on this board.


True to a point. Ed has questioned publically, in the late 1990s, how much more money he could have made had he been thinking, "Beat It" and the"Back To The Future" things he did for free. Sammy's always been a smart businessman, he invested his money wisely. He remarked that when he first joined VH he was shocked at how little money they made playing venues larger than he was. He fixed that.
The idea that Sammy is only interested in more cash begs the question: Then why truck in all that sand to recreate a beach? His fans will show up in the same numbers without the sound so why spend more up front? Well he answered that in the interview. Then again, why not make a few more bucks? He's getting up there in age and you have to wonder about how much longer he's going to be able to perform at the level he likes to. He's got kids and soon he'll have grandkids, I'm sure he's thinking about them, plus he's got an ex-wife and I'm sure that keeps him working too.

I'm glad Ed is the artist type but I would like an action figure and maybe a Van Halen coffin too. I'll settle for new stuff...of any kind from Ed. I mean Johhny Mar is an artist too but who cares?

You people on this site are unbelievable. Why do you condemn Sammy for having a good time and enjoying himself? He's nice enough to make the fans No. 1 at all of his shows. Signing autographs, lowering ticket prices to local-band levels, chatting between songs. . . what's the problem?

He says something similar to "Ed and I weren't getting along during the tour," and you all attack him for "destroying" Van Halen. None of us knows what happend on tour--NONE of us--but I happen to believe that Ed is a drunken pain in the ass. Alcoholics are huge pains in the ass, make no mistake. Huge. I mean, three singers couldn't get along with this guy.

There's no way Sam should sit quietly in a corner, putting his own life on hold, until Ed decides to get his head out of his ass. Screw Ed. He blew it. Yes, he's probably the greatest rock guitarist ever, but he's also a world class A-hole. Sam is still rockin', I like his music and I think he's a really great guy. Saying "Long live Sammy Hagar" is NOT the same as saying "Fuck Van Halen." That's what the vast majority of this board's users need to get into your heads.

You people on this site are unbelievable. Why do you condemn Sammy for having a good time and enjoying himself? He's nice enough to make the fans No. 1 at all of his shows. Signing autographs, lowering ticket prices to local-band levels, chatting between songs. . . what's the problem?

He says something similar to "Ed and I weren't getting along during the tour," and you all attack him for "destroying" Van Halen. None of us knows what happend on tour--NONE of us--but I happen to believe that Ed is a drunken pain in the ass. Alcoholics are huge pains in the ass, make no mistake. Huge. I mean, three singers couldn't get along with this guy.

There's no way Sam should sit quietly in a corner, putting his own life on hold, until Ed decides to get his head out of his ass. Screw Ed. He blew it. Yes, he's probably the greatest rock guitarist ever, but he's also a world class A-hole. Sam is still rockin', I like his music and I think he's a really great guy. Saying "Long live Sammy Hagar" is NOT the same as saying "Fuck Van Halen." That's what the vast majority of this board's users need to get into your heads.

Dude - Gary and Ed remain friends. Dave is well known in the industry for being an ass-hole personality........read amny interviews where this is alluded to........Sam has always been considered lazy by Ed regarding his lyrics......no shit I say - on a VH album about half the tunes will have decent lyrics - the rest are childish and Sam would never have those lyrics for his own tunes, hence Ed telling him to go be a solo singer.

I refer to earlier points.....none of us know these folks, but you are saying the same regarding Sam as you are telling people not to say about Ed???? (Sam is a really great guy etc etc) - How do you know? Dig back and find the chapters from his biography on here and see what he did to his ex-wife and tell me that's a great guy.

Every interview I ever read that is either with Ed, or is referring to Ed tells of what a cool guy he is with regular quotes as to him being the nicest guy in the business (Lukather / Dweezil etc and admittedly very recent interviews have been less graceful).....but don't be stooopid enough to come on here pulling the same shit you acuse everyone else of doing just with a different reference point.

You people on this site are unbelievable. Why do you condemn Sammy for having a good time and enjoying himself? He's nice enough to make the fans No. 1 at all of his shows. Signing autographs, lowering ticket prices to local-band levels, chatting between songs. . . what's the problem?

He says something similar to "Ed and I weren't getting along during the tour," and you all attack him for "destroying" Van Halen. None of us knows what happend on tour--NONE of us--but I happen to believe that Ed is a drunken pain in the ass. Alcoholics are huge pains in the ass, make no mistake. Huge. I mean, three singers couldn't get along with this guy.

There's no way Sam should sit quietly in a corner, putting his own life on hold, until Ed decides to get his head out of his ass. Screw Ed. He blew it. Yes, he's probably the greatest rock guitarist ever, but he's also a world class A-hole. Sam is still rockin', I like his music and I think he's a really great guy. Saying "Long live Sammy Hagar" is NOT the same as saying "Fuck Van Halen." That's what the vast majority of this board's users need to get into your heads.

Run for office, dude.
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Long live $am.........

You people on this site are unbelievable.
Damn straight :thumb:

Agreed with everything in your post.

You people on this site are unbelievable. Why do you condemn Sammy for having a good time and enjoying himself?

Well, because he's not Dave.

Well, because he's not Dave.


It all makes perfect sense.

Everybody that is disappointed in Sam isnt a Dave lover...Today,Sam is still light years ahead of Roth............Sam still has alot of talent and has the capability to put on a good and fun show...........Dont put me in the Roth Army cause I question Sam's sincerity sometimes.......

Everybody that is disappointed in Sam isnt a Dave lover...Today,Sam is still light years ahead of Roth............Sam still has alot of talent and has the capability to put on a good and fun show...........Dont put me in the Roth Army cause I question Sam's sincerity sometimes.......

I agree with you. Too bad one would get shat upon for questioning why Sam is doing what he's doing now instead of making music with VH. I also like Sam alot better than Dave. Yet, when the wife of a fan who attended the recent Concord Sammy show had the following impression--my wife, who is very neutral, said that Sammy is like a tequila salesman- and that his whole show is marketed that way-- makes me question Sam's intentions with his fans, if that's wrong to some, so be it. Doesn't change the fact that I like Van hagar Better.

I agree with you. Too bad one would get shat upon for questioning why Sam is doing what he's doing now instead of making music with VH. I also like Sam alot better than Dave. Yet, when the wife of a fan who attended the recent Concord Sammy show had the following impression--my wife, who is very neutral, said that Sammy is like a tequila salesman- and that his whole show is marketed that way-- makes me question Sam's intentions with his fans, if that's wrong to some, so be it. Doesn't change the fact that I like Van hagar Better.

I like Van Hagar better too. Sammy said he was back for good in VH last year. So I am not too happy he is running around with the Waborita's, a band with less than half the talent that Van Halen has. I also don't care about his tequila and his Cabo Wabo bars. I just want him to make the best music he can, with the best musicians Van Halen.

I like Van Hagar better too. Sammy said he was back for good in VH last year. So I am not too happy he is running around with the Waborita's, a band with less than half the talent that Van Halen has. I also don't care about his tequila and his Cabo Wabo bars. I just want him to make the best music he can, with the best musicians Van Halen.

A-freakin-men. I love Sam, but if he TRULY cared about his fans, he'd bite the bullet and make it happen with VH. I doubt there's more than a couple crazy bastard-Redheads that like only Sam and not Sam-Halen.

Law'd have mercy...I doubt that we could be so lucky. :D

Blind Lemon, you'd the man.....Always making me laugh!

A-freakin-men. I love Sam, but if he TRULY cared about his fans, he'd bite the bullet and make it happen with VH. I doubt there's more than a couple crazy bastard-Redheads that like only Sam and not Sam-Halen.
You mean Sam-Halen or $am-Halen? First one split for good in '96 and never reformed :p

Geez, this is a complicated and apparently wicked issue for lots of you. What do you think Dave was talking about when he sang Beautiful Girls or Bottoms Up? Van Halen is a party band. Sam and Dave represent the masses. Deal with it. :rolleyes:

At one time, I would agree that Van Halen represented a certain SoCal rebel lifestyle that did appeal to the masses. Dave summed up the attitude on the first song on the first album.

"I live my life like there's no tomorrow and all I've got, I had to steal.
Least I don't need to beg or borrow. Yeah I'm living at a pace that kills."

Unfortunately, the only part of this credo that rings true now is Ed definitely continues to live at a pace that does not ensure personal longevity or prolific work output for that matter. The original Van Halen is now largely a collection of dysfunctional egos bunkered in gated communities, enslaved to their vices of choice, desperately clinging to past glories.

Unfortunately for the keepers of the flame (i.e. the fans), this is what happens to the vast majority of aging rock bands. As the fame and riches mount, rock musicians tend to get further and further away from that original fire and inspiration that prompted them to pick up an instrument in the first place. Passion becomes pretention (witness How Many Say I) or phoning it in (witness Up for Breakfast) or blatant commercialization (witness pretty much any single in the Van Hagar catalogue) . What you're left with is a pale imitation of the original served up for the sake of commerce and nothing more. This is what VH or the Red Rocker circa 2005 have to offer.

"We came here to entertain you. Leaving now, we aggravate you."

Cool, the band has come full circle. :devil: :sssh:

At one time, I would agree that Van Halen represented a certain SoCal rebel lifestyle that did appeal to the masses. Dave summed up the attitude on the first song on the first album.

"I live my life like there's no tomorrow and all I've got, I had to steal.
Least I don't need to beg or borrow. Yeah I'm living at a pace that kills."

Unfortunately, the only part of this credo that rings true now is Ed definitely continues to live at a pace that does not ensure personal longevity or prolific work output for that matter. The original Van Halen is now largely a collection of dysfunctional egos bunkered in gated communities, enslaved to their vices of choice, desperately clinging to past glories.

Unfortunately for the keepers of the flame (i.e. the fans), this is what happens to the vast majority of aging rock bands. As the fame and riches mount, rock musicians tend to get further and further away from that original fire and inspiration that prompted them to pick up an instrument in the first place. Passion becomes pretention (witness How Many Say I) or phoning it in (witness Up for Breakfast) or blatant commercialization (witness pretty much any single in the Van Hagar catalogue) . What you're left with is a pale imitation of the original served up for the sake of commerce and nothing more. This is what VH or the Red Rocker circa 2005 have to offer.

"We came here to entertain you. Leaving now, we aggravate you."

Cool, the band has come full circle. :devil: :sssh:


Well they say it's kind of frightening
How this younger generation swings
You know it's more than just some new sensation
Well the kid is into losing sleep
And he don't come home for half the week
You know it's more than just an aggravation
And the cradle will rock


Those are some good points. If we're talking about the effects of age on an ideal, or the effects of time on continued expression of art within a specific genre, then of course the fire doesn't burn the same way as it once did.

Yet 'clinging to past glories' may be another way of noting we're ALL one trick ponies, in the end. There are exceptions, but as I mentioned before, don't we all have to be true to ourselves, even if it kills us? Also, you mentioned every Van Halen effort post-84 except the '96 songs...which can't escape your sort of analysis just because Roth sang on them. While inspired, they too were polished and plasticized when compared to the busty balls of VH II, and were less-than-proficient lyrically from the toastmaster. All the product's been RADICALLY different since Diver Down. '84 was a screaming departure from the old brown sound, but then again, I'm the kind of guy who truly believes the core of all quintessential Van Halen is comprised of Women and Children First, Fair Warning, and the 4 originals on Diver Down. These twenty-two odd songs are the heart of purist Van Halen at its finest, the balls to the wall hard rock minus the cotton candy.

The general point being, it's not Van Halen that necessarily changed ad nauseum, it was the music biz. War is not Zooropa, and Emotional Rescue isn't Tattoo You. Red Voodoo isn't Standing Hampton, and Diamond Dave isn't Eat 'Em and Smile.

What it really may be about is the pale imitation of classic rock's current shadow...and in that sense, aren't we really all lamenting the passing of an age, rather than all our favorite bands selling out? Pointing fingers is the easy way to express disdain at the passage of time and the fluctuating changing tastes of the masses, including the artists among them.

It's funny...back in the day, Dave was pissed at Ed about Fair Warning 'cause it required him to branch out from his strengths in pop sensibilities...it was 'Ed's album' so to speak, with all the dark guitar work. But aside from FW and WACF, every other Van Halen album was essentially geared toward Roth's dandy glitter, specifically catering to radio-friendly, chart-topping fare. Why it's funny is, so many folks wank about VH's pop shift in '86, when it was happening all along, and would've continued full bore had Roth stayed in the first place, albeit with different lyrics and a few less ballads. But the pop? Always there.

And as far as the party image...there's probably a way to homage the old days without becoming a parody of them. Personally, I think Sam toes the line on that...sometimes it's cool, sometimes it's too much. On the flip side, I believe Dave fails miserably at it these days, and I'd rather him morph to an unplugged, mellowed frontman sitting on a stool in a club. Given a choice, I'd rather 'em both class up the solo outings with less booze and shenanigans, and more new music.

I didn't read every post but I did see someone bitchin about Sam being on tour with the Wabo's...uhhh, he's only doing like 17 shows total between his first leg with Mike and this Tekill'ya made me do it tour, it' not like he's doing 100 dates.

Well they say it's kind of frightening
How this younger generation swings
You know it's more than just some new sensation
Well the kid is into losing sleep
And he don't come home for half the week
You know it's more than just an aggravation
And the cradle will rock


Those are some good points. If we're talking about the effects of age on an ideal, or the effects of time on continued expression of art within a specific genre, then of course the fire doesn't burn the same way as it once did.

Yet 'clinging to past glories' may be another way of noting we're ALL one trick ponies, in the end. There are exceptions, but as I mentioned before, don't we all have to be true to ourselves, even if it kills us? Also, you mentioned every Van Halen effort post-84 except the '96 songs...which can't escape your sort of analysis just because Roth sang on them. While inspired, they too were polished and plasticized when compared to the busty balls of VH II, and were less-than-proficient lyrically from the toastmaster. All the product's been RADICALLY different since Diver Down. '84 was a screaming departure from the old brown sound, but then again, I'm the kind of guy who truly believes the core of all quintessential Van Halen is comprised of Women and Children First, Fair Warning, and the 4 originals on Diver Down. These twenty-two odd songs are the heart of purist Van Halen at its finest, the balls to the wall hard rock minus the cotton candy.

The general point being, as I've mentioned time and again, it's not Van Halen that necessarily changed ad nauseum, it was the music biz. War is not Zooropa, and Emotional Rescue isn't Tattoo You. Red Voodoo isn't Standing Hampton, and Diamond Dave isn't Eat 'Em and Smile.

What it really may be about is the pale imitation of classic rock's current shadow...and in that sense, aren't we really all lamenting the passing of an age, rather than all our favorite bands selling out? Pointing fingers is the easy way to express disdain at the passage of time and the fluctuating changing tastes of the masses, including the artists among them.

It's funny...back in the day, Dave was pissed at Ed about Fair Warning 'cause it required him to branch out from his strengths in pop sensibilities...it was 'Ed's album' so to speak, with all the dark guitar work. But aside from FW and WACF, every other Van Halen album was essentially geared toward Roth's dandy glitter, specifically catering to radio-friendly, chart-topping fare. Why it's funny is, so many folks wank about VH's pop shift in '86, when it was happening all along, and would've continued full bore had Roth stayed in the first place, albeit with different lyrics and a few less ballads. But the pop? Always there.

Well, one era has certainly passed when Squalen and Heineken start agreeing on something. LOL

For the record, I don't write off all of the Van Hagar catalogue, but do find the majority of the singles to be blatant commercial fare, far removed from the twisted genius that first attracted me to the band. Judgement Day, Finish What Ya Started, 5150, Don't Tell Me. There is some good work there.

Absolutely agree that the band was moving in a more commercial direction from Diver Down on. Part of it was a reaction to Fair Warning's disappointing sales which really speaks to the band's true and unfortunate agenda which is to sell as many albums as they could rather than remaining true to themselves.

Another part of it is the individual agendas at work. Dave's attempt at being commercial is recording a cover. Ed's is recording a melody you can hum. Hagar's is trotting out hooks and lyrical cliches lifted from the REO Speedwagon/Journey/Foreigner production line. DLR's consistent criticism of Hagar is that he (Dave) is a true rock and roll original and Hager is not. On this I agree with Dave. Sam's work is largely derivative as opposed to original, which is why the Dave stuff seems to better stand the test of time. Pick a Hagar solo single from any era of his catalogue and you can almost name the year it was released just from the similarity of the lyrical content and production values to other music from the same time.

For me, Van Halen's era passed a long time ago. The band did represent a certain take-no-prisoners attitude that was often reflected in their fanbase, which is why I enjoy dropping by once and a while to shit the shit with the other 5150's here. :D But in terms of caring what Van Halen will do next or even if they're relevant, VH has done little lately to engender that kind of interest in me.

That interest is now reserved for the new bands that are out there kicking ass. And on this, I don't see it as much as the passing of an era as the passing of the torch. There are a lot of current bands out there who may not emulate VH directly but still have that essential element that separates the contenders from the pretenders: System of a Down, Audioslave, Our Lady Peace, Matthew Good, etc. Good rock and roll will never die and thank God for that. Pass the jack and crank the tunes!

Well, one era has certainly passed when Squalen and Heineken start agreeing on something. LOL

True dat. The apocalypse is nigh. :)



For the record, I don't write off all of the Van Hagar catalogue, but do find the majority of the singles to be blatant commercial fare, far removed from the twisted genius that first attracted me to the band. Judgement Day, Finish What Ya Started, 5150, Don't Tell Me. There is some good work there.

Oh, agreed on singles' cheese quality, but I hardly limit that to Sam era. Pretty Woman, Dancing in the Street, Jump...these Dave era commercial diddies will rise my hackles as much as CSLY or Right Now. Van Halen singles over the years are rarely among the sets I listen to when VH is playing. Radio Van Halen is generally their worst crap, IMO...sure, sometimes you get Unchained or Dance the Night Away, but most of it gets swept under Jump's shadow. I think most of us would agree Van Halen's best work is the stuff the general public doesn't know jack shit about....Hear About it Later, Simple Rhyme, the Full Bug, Mine all Mine, Judgment Day, Humans Being, etc.[/quote]


DLR's consistent criticism of Hagar is that he (Dave) is a true rock and roll original and Hager is not. On this I agree with Dave. Sam's work is largely derivative as opposed to original, which is why the Dave stuff seems to better stand the test of time.

See, this is where I part opinions with Dave somewhat, in the sense he's never acknowledged the fact he could've easily been part of the Sam Hagar-Montrose-Billy Squier-Ted Nugent contingent, were he not in the right place at the right time. And Dave's been as derivative as Sam, when you consider his affection for covers and his borrowing of personas and schtick from his sources of inspiration, as we all know. I give him all due credit for his early lyricism in the first five albums or so, he definitely used to be able to pen some wicked lyrics, and absolutely the six pack has aged better than OU812, but he's an 'original' largely because he hooked up with the right crowd. Solo tributes to Jim Dandy and Black Oak Arkansas wouldn't have lasted five minutes on the Sunset strip without Eddie's guitar backing it up, let's face it.


That interest is now reserved for the new bands that are out there kicking ass. And on this, I don't see it as much as the passing of an era as the passing of the torch. There are a lot of current bands out there who may not emulate VH directly but still have that essential element that separates the contenders from the pretenders: System of a Down, Audioslave, Our Lady Peace, Matthew Good, etc. Good rock and roll will never die and thank God for that. Pass the jack and crank the tunes!

I wish I could see that torch. I don't see nearly the same essential element in today's stuff. I wish I could.

Well they say it's kind of frightening
How this younger generation swings
You know it's more than just some new sensation
Well the kid is into losing sleep
And he don't come home for half the week
You know it's more than just an aggravation
And the cradle will rock


Those are some good points. If we're talking about the effects of age on an ideal, or the effects of time on continued expression of art within a specific genre, then of course the fire doesn't burn the same way as it once did.

Yet 'clinging to past glories' may be another way of noting we're ALL one trick ponies, in the end. There are exceptions, but as I mentioned before, don't we all have to be true to ourselves, even if it kills us? Also, you mentioned every Van Halen effort post-84 except the '96 songs...which can't escape your sort of analysis just because Roth sang on them. While inspired, they too were polished and plasticized when compared to the busty balls of VH II, and were less-than-proficient lyrically from the toastmaster. All the product's been RADICALLY different since Diver Down. '84 was a screaming departure from the old brown sound, but then again, I'm the kind of guy who truly believes the core of all quintessential Van Halen is comprised of Women and Children First, Fair Warning, and the 4 originals on Diver Down. These twenty-two odd songs are the heart of purist Van Halen at its finest, the balls to the wall hard rock minus the cotton candy.

The general point being, it's not Van Halen that necessarily changed ad nauseum, it was the music biz. War is not Zooropa, and Emotional Rescue isn't Tattoo You. Red Voodoo isn't Standing Hampton, and Diamond Dave isn't Eat 'Em and Smile.

What it really may be about is the pale imitation of classic rock's current shadow...and in that sense, aren't we really all lamenting the passing of an age, rather than all our favorite bands selling out? Pointing fingers is the easy way to express disdain at the passage of time and the fluctuating changing tastes of the masses, including the artists among them.

It's funny...back in the day, Dave was pissed at Ed about Fair Warning 'cause it required him to branch out from his strengths in pop sensibilities...it was 'Ed's album' so to speak, with all the dark guitar work. But aside from FW and WACF, every other Van Halen album was essentially geared toward Roth's dandy glitter, specifically catering to radio-friendly, chart-topping fare. Why it's funny is, so many folks wank about VH's pop shift in '86, when it was happening all along, and would've continued full bore had Roth stayed in the first place, albeit with different lyrics and a few less ballads. But the pop? Always there.

And as far as the party image...there's probably a way to homage the old days without becoming a parody of them. Personally, I think Sam toes the line on that...sometimes it's cool, sometimes it's too much. On the flip side, I believe Dave fails miserably at it these days, and I'd rather him morph to an unplugged, mellowed frontman sitting on a stool in a club. Given a choice, I'd rather 'em both class up the solo outings with less booze and shenanigans, and more new music.

Nothing like coming home after a stressful day at work and reading Squalen waxing all philosophical about capturing our lost youth. :)

Sometimes I really do wish it were still 1984.

True dat. The apocalypse is nigh. :)

Oh, agreed on singles' cheese quality, but I hardly limit that to Sam era. Pretty Woman, Dancing in the Street, Jump...these Dave era commercial diddies will rise my hackles as much as CSLY or Right Now. Van Halen singles over the years are rarely among the sets I listen to when VH is playing. Radio Van Halen is generally their worst crap, IMO...sure, sometimes you get Unchained or Dance the Night Away, but most of it gets swept under Jump's shadow. I think most of us would agree Van Halen's best work is the stuff the general public doesn't know jack shit about....Hear About it Later, Simple Rhyme, the Full Bug, Mine all Mine, Judgment Day, Humans Being, etc.

See, this is where I part opinions with Dave somewhat, in the sense he's never acknowledged the fact he could've easily been part of the Sam Hagar-Montrose-Billy Squier-Ted Nugent contingent, were he not in the right place at the right time. And Dave's been as derivative as Sam, when you consider his affection for covers and his borrowing of personas and schtick from his sources of inspiration, as we all know. I give him all due credit for his early lyricism in the first five albums or so, he definitely used to be able to pen some wicked lyrics, and absolutely the six pack has aged better than OU812, but he's an 'original' largely because he hooked up with the right crowd. Solo tributes to Jim Dandy and Black Oak Arkansas wouldn't have lasted five minutes on the Sunset strip without Eddie's guitar backing it up, let's face it.


I wish I could see that torch. I don't see nearly the same essential element in today's stuff. I wish I could.

Other than Jump or I'll Wait, there was a bucketload of pretty cool singles during the DLR era: ATBL, Dance, Cradle, Unchained, Panama. Even Pretty Woman was a pretty rippin cover in the day. Compare and contrast with Love Walks In, When It's Love, Can't Stop Loving You, etc. (I'm sensing a theme here LOL). I would agree though that my favorite VH songs are often not the radio singles (Romeo Delight, Full Bug, On Fire, Hear About it Later, Judgement Day, etc.).

As far as Dave being in the right place at the right time, you could almost make that argument for anyone's who made it in the music biz. Dave had a lot to do with the band "making it" and you could also argue that VH without Dave might never have got a gig at Gazarri's in the 1st place. Absolutely, Dave would never had been as big without Ed, but Ed could've ended up the next Allan Holdsworth without Dave's pop sensibilities as well. In hindsight, it's easy to hang the Jim Dandy thing on Dave too, but like Ed's tapping, Dave took his influences and created a persona that was immediately identified with him. Really, does anyone think of Wille Dixon when they hear Zep's Whole Lotta Love? Same goes with Black Oak Arkansas, whoever they fuck they are. LOL Sometimes imitation results in evolution. ;)

As far as the new breed, it's too bad it's not striking a chord with you. Hearing a great new tune for the 1st time is one of the true joys this world has to offer. And you can definitely see Van Halen's influence in the next generation. When The Offspring smashed cardboard cutouts of the BackStreet Boys onstage and then launched into Cool To Hate, I was reminded of the words of Diamond Dave.

"You know why critics love Elvis Costello and hate Van Halen. Cos the fucking critics look like Elvis Costello man." :devil:

Nothing like coming home after a stressful day at work and reading Squalen waxing all philosophical about capturing our lost youth. :)

Sometimes I really do wish it were still 1984.

:funny:

Sorry, man. I know, I'm one redundant motherfucker. :sleep: :sssh:

:funny:

Sorry, man. I know, I'm one redundant motherfucker. :sleep: :sssh:

Nah, it's cool. I turn to the Links for intelligent discussions on the downfall of classic rock during the late 1980's. :D

Nah, it's cool. I turn to the Links for intelligent discussions on the downfall of classic rock during the late 1980's. :D

Because as we all know, whether we're Blabbermouth, Melodicrock, or CNN, the Links is the place to unravel the mystic puzzles of the universe. Randy Rhoads isn't dead, he's living in Argentina with Jim, Janis, Jimi, Elvis, and Hitler, in a techno-granola commune that practices geriatric group sex and tournament Chinese Checkers. :)

Because as we all know, whether we're Blabbermouth, Melodicrock, or CNN, the Links is the place to unravel the mystic puzzles of the universe. Randy Rhoads isn't dead, he's living in Argentina with Jim, Janis, Jimi, Elvis, and Hitler, in a techno-granola commune that practices geriatric group sex and tournament Chinese Checkers. :)

Where's that bunny? :wtf:

Update at RedRocker.com re: On the Beach

To My Fans at the Detroit Show:

I want to say a big thank you for coming out and partying with us all day! Did you feel like you were in Cabo or what? The food, the volleyball, the Sammy-oke, and of course the Cabo Wabo margaritas that's what I call a perfect day.

It's really important to me that you have an awesome experience at my shows, and The Tequila Made Me Do It! in Detroit was a prototype for my future concerts. I want you to feel like you're in Cabo, living the Cabo Wabo life, every time you come to see us.

And another big thanks to Ronnie, Denny and Bill for closing the show with me. Montrose rocks!

Next up: my Birthday Bash. See ya in Cabo. That's the way we live.



Well, that's it for the tour this summer, I guess. No L.A. dates. Okaaay.
Yep, the Cabo empire and flavor is widening, LOL. Bummer for some, cool beans for others.

Maybe the Wabos will add some darker OU812-ish feel on the next LP, mix up the Beach Boys vibe with some grass roots hardball ala Mine all Mine. One can dream.

You know I'm really considering Costa Rica this year instead of Cabo. When I first started going to CSL, the local women were friendly and genuine - then they got Americanized. I'm considering going further south to a place unaffected by time. Cabo's fun, but too many people have found it and ruined the natives. Have you seen costa rican woman?? Please Sammy, don't fuck up Costa Rica.

Update at RedRocker.com re: On the Beach

To My Fans at the Detroit Show:

I want to say a big thank you for coming out and partying with us all day! Did you feel like you were in Cabo or what? The food, the volleyball, the Sammy-oke, and of course the Cabo Wabo margaritas that's what I call a perfect day.

It's really important to me that you have an awesome experience at my shows, and The Tequila Made Me Do It! in Detroit was a prototype for my future concerts. I want you to feel like you're in Cabo, living the Cabo Wabo life, every time you come to see us.

And another big thanks to Ronnie, Denny and Bill for closing the show with me. Montrose rocks!

Next up: my Birthday Bash. See ya in Cabo. That's the way we live.



Well, that's it for the tour this summer, I guess. No L.A. dates. Okaaay.
Yep, the Cabo empire and flavor is widening, LOL. Bummer for some, cool beans for others.

Maybe the Wabos will add some darker OU812-ish feel on the next LP, mix up the Beach Boys vibe with some grass roots hardball ala Mine all Mine. One can dream.

I wonder if he really talks like this now (i.e. like very 4th sentence is a marketing slogan). :rolleyes:

You know I'm really considering Costa Rica this year instead of Cabo. When I first started going to CSL, the local women were friendly and genuine - then they got Americanized. I'm considering going further south to a place unaffected by time. Cabo's fun, but too many people have found it and ruined the natives. Have you seen costa rican woman?? Please Sammy, don't fuck up Costa Rica.

I work in offshore gaming so I've had the chance to spend some time in San Jose on business. If you're single, CR is definitely a good time. Some of the single guys took me out to one of their hangouts, a casino called the Del Ray, to play a little roulette one night. As a married man, it was more than a little distracting keeping track of your bets when the place is literally brimming with young good looking 'working girls.' LOL

Never made it out to the coast, but I hear it's pristine and the surfing is excellent.

I work in offshore gaming so I've had the chance to spend some time in San Jose on business. If you're single, CR is definitely a good time. Some of the single guys took me out to one of their hangouts, a casino called the Del Ray, to play a little roulette one night. As a married man, it was more than a little distracting keeping track of your bets when the place is literally brimming with young good looking 'working girls.' LOL

Never made it out to the coast, but I hear it's pristine and the surfing is excellent.


I'm not interested in sloppy seconds, mostly because all my shots are up to date, I've had a recent physical, etc. Once in Cabo I met a self-proclaimed virgin who wanted to marry and come to the US. I had her number, address, etc. I freakin lost my wallet that night in El Squid Roe and had to get a temp passport, etc. The next time I went I couldn't find her, or any female that even remotely resembled a virgin. Times have changed, so I'm thinking the only direction to go is further south. I may not find a virgin, and I'm not sure there are any left, but anything's better than modern American women who use men as sperm donors for child support payments.

I'm not interested in sloppy seconds, mostly because all my shots are up to date, I've had a recent physical, etc.

Couldn't agree more. I had to laugh to myself though when all the single guys were telling me, "oh, we flirt with the girls but I would never pay for sex." Given the intensity of some of the flirting, I found that pretty hard to believe. LOL

I may not find a virgin, and I'm not sure there are any left, but anything's better than modern American women who use men as sperm donors for child support payments.

Wow, sounds like you've been on the bad end of a breakup or two. I think the way men are treated in divorce/custody settlements is one of the greatest crimes in modern society. One of the absolute greatest benefits for me of finally finding the right woman is that I don't have to play the headgames anymore that seem to come part and parcel with so many modern women. I've got an old fashioned gal and that's definitely the way to go for me.

Thought this was a thread about pushing Hagar back into the ocean because he was dying....

:devil:

Thought this was a thread about pushing Hagar back into the ocean because he was dying....

:devil:

:funny: That was good.

Thought this was a thread about pushing Hagar back into the ocean because he was dying....

:devil:

"Whale Rider," starring Michael Anthony :D