http://usera.ImageCave.com/Bard/7326366.jpg

LOL, the New Yorker?

The 'Foot is getting ten times the hype and publicity of VH 4 and the return of Diamond Dave. Not that I'm comparing. I'm truly not. But geez...somebody's manager knows how to do something right, and somebody's manager does not.

Still goes to show ya...new music, even in this modern age, still makes a difference. Can't just keep touring over and over on the laurels of yesteryear.

New bands Need more press than Classic bands.
As simple as that, not a managment issue.

New bands Need more press than Classic bands.
As simple as that, not a managment issue.

okay, so then let's just say that Chickenfoot gets way more press than Nuno Bettencourt and Perry Farrell got.

New bands Need more press than Classic bands.
As simple as that, not a managment issue.

Uhh, yah, it is a management issue, and you'd have to be fucking blind not to see that. I don't understand your argument in the slightest. Probably because it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Unsupportable bias shining through on the Links yet again :rolleyes:

A sick cartoon like that in the New Yorker is a little bit more than Ed hawking gear and "promising" new music in Women's Day, for Christ's sake.

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Cool my band is a new band, can I get press in the New Yorker? I'll call them up. :)

New bands Need more press than Classic bands.
As simple as that, not a managment issue.

Between the New Yorker, the new songs, the website, the road test shows, the ticket giveaways, Guitar World, Best Buy warm-up gig - I think it's safe to say management is working this very well - as a manager should.

Outside of the VH4 Press Conference, where Dave declared it a whole new band, there wasn't much press. I got my updates once in a blue moon from the VH Newsletter telling me it's time to buy Premium tickets... or it's time to buy the rag pimping Ed's guitar... and then, of course, the shoes.

While I agree with you that a band like VH does NOT need as much press - the kind they're offering and making themselves available for, pales in comparison. You mean to tell me management couldn't convince VH to do promotional stuff similar to the above to generate interest?.. Naaaa.. that'd be too much work.. like actually doing something with 10 albums worth of material.

!!!!!

New bands Need more press than Classic bands.
As simple as that, not a managment issue.

:spit: Right, dude. That must be it. :sssh:

:spit: Right, dude. That must be it. :sssh:
VS you should change your initials to BS, suits you better ;)

VS you should change your initials to BS, suits you better ;)

Good one.

Eddie fluffers aren't gonna like this summer much. :)

I like the cartoon.

I get the feeling that if just one song by the chicksters get's some real exposure, it could be quite a high profile release. The kids are into their guitar hero games and there are plenty of old rockers who would probably like a bit of old school riffage - the market is there. Just needs the right song or two and a lot of luck.

I would really like it if these guys had some serious success with this thing.

Cartoon is cool looking. I like it.

Chickenfoot is doing the PR thing the way it should be done.
Van Halen should take notes.

So... was there an article or something to go with the cartoon?

So... was there an article or something to go with the cartoon?

Just a brief blurb regarding the band's upcoming performance at the Filmore.

NIGHT LIFE

OLD SCHOOL

May 28

They may have a silly name, but the members of the new group Chickenfoot—the guitar whiz Joe Satriani, the Red Hot Chili Peppers’ drummer Chad Smith, the former Van Halen bassist Michael Anthony, and the erstwhile Van Halen front man Sammy Hagar—know more than a thing or two about how to rock. They come to the Fillmore New York at Irving Plaza. (www.chickenfoot.us.)

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/events/horizon/2009/05/04/090504gohz_GOAT_horizon

New bands Need more press than Classic bands.
As simple as that, not a managment issue.

I agree and disagree.

If you're simply trying to sell tickets for a tour, then I agree that there are certain bands that can move tickets without needing much p.r. The Van Halen quasi reunion tour could pretty much sell itself without much p.r. because of the band's name, the songs that have been playing on the radio for 25 years, and the return of Dave. It would take far less effort to move those tickets than it would for a new group like Chickenfoot. In that sense you're right, Chickenfoot needs a lot more p.r. than VH did.

However, if we're to believe the band, the last tour wasn't a one and done deal, like The Police. It was a "new beginning". In this sense, I think that management let them down big time. Although the shows were mainly sold out, how many "new" fans do you think were there? How many people who didn't grow up on VH in the 80's attended? There was no buzz generated for the "reunion" and now that the tour has passed, I don't see how it could ever be recreated.

Now, if the band never does anything again, "no harm, no foul." They sold out the tour and made their money. However, if they were serious about a new beginning, how about this: Kick things off at the RARHOF induction with the first reunited performance in over 20 years, follow up with a performance on Letterman of one classic and one new song, blitz the country with interviews in every market the band plays in (which would mean letting Dave do his thing), mix in a couple of new songs as the tour moves along, and follow up with a new album within a few months of the tour ending. Not only have they sold out the tour and made some money, but they've raised the band's profile and hopefully whet some appetites for some new VH music. Instead, all they really did was provide some closure for those who never got to see them perform Jamie's Cryin' with Dave.

Just remember, you can't recreate the inherent buzzworthiness of Dave returning to the fold.

I agree and disagree.

If you're simply trying to sell tickets for a tour, then I agree that there are certain bands that can move tickets without needing much p.r. The Van Halen quasi reunion tour could pretty much sell itself without much p.r. because of the band's name, the songs that have been playing on the radio for 25 years, and the return of Dave. It would take far less effort to move those tickets than it would for a new group like Chickenfoot. In that sense you're right, Chickenfoot needs a lot more p.r. than VH did.

However, if we're to believe the band, the last tour wasn't a one and done deal, like The Police. It was a "new beginning". In this sense, I think that management let them down big time. Although the shows were mainly sold out, how many "new" fans do you think were there? How many people who didn't grow up on VH in the 80's attended? There was no buzz generated for the "reunion" and now that the tour has passed, I don't see how it could ever be recreated.

Now, if the band never does anything again, "no harm, no foul." They sold out the tour and made their money. However, if they were serious about a new beginning, how about this: Kick things off at the RARHOF induction with the first reunited performance in over 20 years, follow up with a performance on Letterman of one classic and one new song, blitz the country with interviews in every market the band plays in (which would mean letting Dave do his thing), mix in a couple of new songs as the tour moves along, and follow up with a new album within a few months of the tour ending. Not only have they sold out the tour and made some money, but they've raised the band's profile and hopefully whet some appetites for some new VH music. Instead, all they really did was provide some closure for those who never got to see them perform Jamie's Cryin' with Dave.

Just remember, you can't recreate the inherent buzzworthiness of Dave returning to the fold.

Exactly. VH didn't need to do anything, the concept pretty much sold itself, all they had to do was announce the tour, show up and count their money.

But, that will have a diminishing return each time out unless they start doing what the Foot is doing.

Incidentally,I think Azoff is still Sam's manager, does anybody know if Azoff is managing Chickenfoot as well? If so, then Chickenfoot and VH actually had the same management.

Incidentally,I think Azoff is still Sam's manager, does anybody know if Azoff is managing Chickenfoot as well? If so, then Chickenfoot and VH actually had the same management.

Apparently this is the outfit handling some of the group's PR: Land Shark Promotion (http://www.myspace.com/landsharkpromotion)

http://www.landsharkpromotion.com/index1.html

That's the last place I would expect info on CF

Never really like the New Yorker much...always though Harper's was way better

Incidentally,I think Azoff is still Sam's manager, does anybody know if Azoff is managing Chickenfoot as well? If so, then Chickenfoot and VH actually had the same management.

I am fairly certain Azoff was pretty hands-off when it came to the VH 4 outing. Have no idea why. Have to wonder about the personal representative/girlfriend/stuntwoman/future wife influence...plus Dave's peeps. Plus the lack of motivation to fully capitalize on the Dave buzz from the lynchpin. I'm sure Live Nation was just happy to get their cut and move on, given the rep and the rumors.

I am fairly certain Azoff was pretty hands-off when it came to the VH 4 outing. Have no idea why. Have to wonder about the personal representative/girlfriend/stuntwoman/future wife influence...plus Dave's peeps. Plus the lack of motivation to fully capitalize on the Dave buzz from the lynchpin. I'm sure Live Nation was just happy to get their cut and move on, given the rep and the rumors.

Absolutely. Azoff was directly responsible for the appearance at the Tiger Woods charity event, yet other than that, there really wasn't much public evidence of old Irv's touch. Then again, what did he have to work with other than Roth's return, which would put a few extra butts in the seats via curiosity? Without any discernible new product to offer (other than some dubious clothing merchandise or bumper stickers), and with EVH deciding not to do any press, there was little if anything to actively promote. Perhaps to his credit, Azoff made the sound business decision to farm things out to High Profile Media, and hope that the company wouldn't drop the ball. It seems to have worked, as HPM proved to be only completely inept, as opposed to totally incompetent.

Absolutely. Azoff was directly responsible for the appearance at the Tiger Woods charity event, yet other than that, there really wasn't much public evidence of old Irv's touch. Then again, what did he have to work with other than Roth's return, which would put a few extra butts in the seats via curiosity? Without any discernible new product to offer (other than some dubious clothing merchandise or bumper stickers), and with EVH deciding not to do any press, there was little if anything to actively promote. Perhaps to his credit, Azoff made the sound business decision to farm things out to High Profile Media, and hope that the company wouldn't drop the ball. It seems to have worked, as HPM proved to be only completely inept, as opposed to totally incompetent.

Hard to dispute any of that.

Absolutely. Azoff was directly responsible for the appearance at the Tiger Woods charity event, yet other than that, there really wasn't much public evidence of old Irv's touch. Then again, what did he have to work with other than Roth's return, which would put a few extra butts in the seats via curiosity? Without any discernible new product to offer (other than some dubious clothing merchandise or bumper stickers), and with EVH deciding not to do any press, there was little if anything to actively promote. Perhaps to his credit, Azoff made the sound business decision to farm things out to High Profile Media, and hope that the company wouldn't drop the ball. It seems to have worked, as HPM proved to be only completely inept, as opposed to totally incompetent.


as much as they insisted that they were a band that was moving on to the future, the lack of promotion by VH as a band (only individual interviews for Drummers World and Guitar World) and not ONE new song to the set list...the whole reunion thing took on a air of tentativeness, for me anyway.

but I don't think it's fair to blame this on Janie....I think the boys have seen their words come back to haunt them so many times, that they just didn't want to open that can up...and I don'tthink they wanted to open up about the personnel changes in anything but the most managed of situations.....but I don't think that they gave much thought to the message that their silence was sending out.


and by the way, am I the only one disturbed by the "new" "old" photos on the DLR site.... "Nothing could have stopped us, back then anyways
" leaves me to wonder if it isn't a reference to feeling like something is stopping them now.


and just for the record, The NewYorker did the same cartoon treatment for the Van Halen reunion on October 22, 2007

and just for the record, The NewYorker did the same cartoon treatment for the Van Halen reunion on October 22, 2007

What reunion? I thought it was just 3/4 of the original band?

What reunion? I thought it was just 3/4 of the original band?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejbz4RVh0oU

and just for the record, The NewYorker did the same cartoon treatment for the Van Halen reunion on October 22, 2007



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and just for the record, The NewYorker did the same cartoon treatment for the Van Halen reunion on October 22, 2007

And nobody here on the biggest VH website on the net noticed it. ;)

Man, seeing that kid all New Yorker cartoon'd out kinda is wack. :)

And nobody here on the biggest VH website on the net noticed it. ;)

Man, seeing that kid all New Yorker cartoon'd out kinda is wack. :)

Notice the hands aren't even playing the bass. They must be hip to Van Halen's jive ;)

And nobody here on the biggest VH website on the net noticed it. ;)

:)



um, I wouldn't say nobody

And nobody here on the biggest VH website on the net noticed it. ;)

Think about it though. Unless the image appeared in Southern Living, Hustler, Guns And Ammo or Sports Illustrated, chances are no VH fan would have seen it.

Think about it though. Unless the image appeared in Southern Living, Hustler, Guns And Ammo or Sports Illustrated, chances are no VH fan would have seen it.

:funny:

The New Yorker thing in and of itself isn't much more than a mention in a mag. Except that it is the New Yorker and could lead to bookings on Letterman or the Today Show or Goodmoring America's summer concert series. Can't hurt to get in the face of the Manhattan Media. I'm sure a lot of the people booking shows read the mag and are fans of Satch, Chili's, Van Hagar or VH.

The New Yorker thing in and of itself isn't much more than a mention in a mag. Except that it is the New Yorker and could lead to bookings on Letterman or the Today Show or Goodmoring America's summer concert series. Can't hurt to get in the face of the Manhattan Media. I'm sure a lot of the people booking shows read the mag and are fans of Satch, Chili's, Van Hagar or VH.

Agree 100%..It would be cool as hell to see them on 1 of them morning shows also.

I'd have to say a Letterman appearance is a must... with the way these guys are running the bases thus far. Know what I mean?

And then it will be on YouTube the very next day! :bounce:

Agree 100%..It would be cool as hell to see them on 1 of them morning shows also.

Like U2 or not when they did the Today Show (I think) at Fordham University I was amazed at all the cameras in the crowd taking pictures and video. I've never gone back to look but I'm sure that show was all over youtube, facebook and myspace minutes after the show. If the money is in the tours it doesn't hurt to get the attention of the media folks that live or work in Manhattan.

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Whos is the pale skinned midget on bass?

Whos is the pale skinned midget on bass?

He kind of resembles that Mona dude from the Waboritas.

Whos is the pale skinned midget on bass?

I think that is Jenny Craig's son but I'm not sure.

I'd have to say a Letterman appearance is a must... with the way these guys are running the bases thus far. Know what I mean?

And then it will be on YouTube the very next day! :bounce:

And yanked later that same day. :brickwall :D

Notice the hands aren't even playing the bass. They must be hip to Van Halen's jive ;)

:spit: :D :thumb:

But Zach, don'tcha remember that was just agenda-driven rumor mongering by bitter Mikey apologists?

I mean, I saw him front row in San Diego as close as you can get...and when his arms were at his sides with the deep end still going strong...I just had my Mike shades on. :rolleyes:

Think about it though. Unless the image appeared in Southern Living, Hustler, Guns And Ammo or Sports Illustrated, chances are no VH fan would have seen it.

Point. :D

um, I wouldn't say nobody

And yet you didn't post it at the time?

Or did you just look it up after this thread started to contrast and compare?

One can only wonder. :devil:

:spit: :D :thumb:

But Zach, don'tcha remember that was just agenda-driven rumor mongering by bitter Mikey apologists?

I mean, I saw him front row in San Diego as close as you can get...and when his arms were at his sides with the deep end still going strong...I just had my Mike shades on. :rolleyes:

Didn't MA 'jokingly' say about the '07-'08 tour something like that he heard that he was still a part of the band. I may not remember this right or he may of been speaking about vocals but seems like I remember him saying something about this.

:spit: :D :thumb:

But Zach, don'tcha remember that was just agenda-driven rumor mongering by bitter Mikey apologists?

I mean, I saw him front row in San Diego as close as you can get...and when his arms were at his sides with the deep end still going strong...I just had my Mike shades on. :rolleyes:

I can almost hear Wolfgang screaming to King Edward, "Look dad, no hands!"

Didn't MA 'jokingly' say about the '07-'08 tour something like that he heard that he was still a part of the band. I may not remember this right or he may of been speaking about vocals but seems like I remember him saying something about this.

I think he was tongue-in-cheek referring to the piped in backing vox, but I could be wrong.

I can almost hear Wolfgang screaming to King Edward, "Look dad, no hands!"

It was ridiculous. He went up to talk to Dave in his ear, hands down, but bass progression notes still fully in gear. Riiiiiiiight.

It was ridiculous. He went up to talk to Dave in his ear, hands down, but bass progression notes still fully in gear. Riiiiiiiight.

When your dad is Eddie Van Halen, you can do truly amazing things like that!

When your dad is Eddie Van Halen, you can do truly amazing things like that!

Wow. Curing cancer, endowing his son with psychokinetic ability to play bass with only his mind, getting the Diamond to sign a gag order...is there anything my hero can't do? :)

Wow. Curing cancer, endowing his son with psychokinetic ability to play bass with only his mind, getting the Diamond to sign a gag order...is there anything my hero can't do? :)

Release new music? :(

And yet you didn't post it at the time?

Or did you just look it up after this thread started to contrast and compare?

One can only wonder. :devil:


I saved it on my harddrive, but anyone who notices knows that I suck at posting pics (they come out at thumbnails cause I just can't be bothered to learn how to do it correctly) And this one starts out small so if I posted it, it would look like this :o so why the hell bother :D

http://usera.ImageCave.com/Bard/7326366.jpg

LOL, the New Yorker?

The 'Foot is getting ten times the hype and publicity of VH 4 and the return of Diamond Dave. Not that I'm comparing. I'm truly not. But geez...somebody's manager knows how to do something right, and somebody's manager does not.

Still goes to show ya...new music, even in this modern age, still makes a difference. Can't just keep touring over and over on the laurels of yesteryear.

Jeez am I missing something. Was the VH 4 tour that much of a flop??:wtf:
Were these ticket sell outs of chickenfoot at arenas, casinos, or clubs? I'm sure even with little publicity these shows still would have sold out in smaller venues. Most of the people buying these tickets are the die hard fans. If they sold out an arena then that would be impressive.

Release new music? :(

Hey now...he released Catherine and Rise for some B list porn, remember. :smokin:

Jeez am I missing something. Was the VH 4 tour that much of a flop??:wtf:
Were these ticket sell outs of chickenfoot at arenas, casinos, or clubs? I'm sure even with little publicity these shows still would have sold out in smaller venues. Most of the people buying these tickets are the die hard fans. If they sold out an arena then that would be impressive.

Who said anything about a flop? :confused:

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:eek: :scared:

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:funny:

47 - yer killing me!... :spit:

He kind of resembles that Mona dude from the Waboritas.

:spit:

The 'Foot is getting ten times the hype and publicity of VH 4 ...somebody's manager knows how to do something right, and somebody's manager does not.


LOL...are you stoned VS?

V.H. Inc. made $95 Million in 07-08, and you are suggesting their management was ineffective. WTF?

The only reason CF is doing all this publicity is because they HAVE TO to succeed.

VH could've made more than this, plain and simple. The tour wasn't well promoted.
The Police was NOT bigger than VH in the 80s, and they stopped playing together around the same time as CVH. Police reunion made more than CVH "half-assed, not promoted reunion." Fact.

LOL...are you stoned VS?

V.H. Inc. made $95 Million in 07-08, and you are suggesting their management was ineffective. WTF?

The only reason CF is doing all this publicity is because they HAVE TO to succeed.

:rolleyes: Management had nothing to do with the success of the VH4 tour - their money was made entirely on fanbase nostalgia alone, and the only reason CF is doing all this publicity is because they know what the fuck they're doing, much like many, many other acts both large and small. AC/DC didn't need to do jack shit for their tour if they didn't want to, but they did it anyway. Same with U2. Fan friendly websites, contests, merch, artist-fan interactive type stuff, and so on. CF doesn't have to do nearly as much as they're doing to sell tickets. They're doing it because they're business savvy and fan friendly. It's really that simple.

They'll sell out their larger venues in the fall after Europe too, I'll wager. The album is getting a lot of word of mouth.

Sorry, but VH4 was nowhere near as fan friendly...and if their management was half as effective as you maintain, they'd have made twice as much money, they'd have capitalized in full on their brief return to the spotlight, they'd have made a lot more efforts at PR and appearances, acknowledged a largely abused fanbase by way of standard artist appreciation like contests and giveaways and such, and we'd have a seventh Dave-fronted VH album.

Incidentally,I think Azoff is still Sam's manager, does anybody know if Azoff is managing Chickenfoot as well? If so, then Chickenfoot and VH actually had the same management.

Apparently this is the outfit handling some of the group's PR: Land Shark Promotion (http://www.myspace.com/landsharkpromotion)

http://www.landsharkpromotion.com/index1.html

I'm also curious who is actually holding the reigns as manager for Chickenfoot. It's not uncommon nowadays for a band to have a separate PR company, but have the individuals of CF held on to their respective representation otherwise? (Not likely, but that could be the case.)

:rolleyes: Management had nothing to do with the success of the VH4 tour - their money was made entirely on fanbase nostalgia alone, and the only reason CF is doing all this publicity is because they know what the fuck they're doing, much like many, many other acts both large and small. AC/DC didn't need to do jack shit for their tour if they didn't want to, but they did it anyway. Same with U2. Fan friendly websites, contests, merch, artist-fan interactive type stuff, and so on. CF doesn't have to do nearly as much as they're doing to sell tickets. They're doing it because they're business savvy and fan friendly. It's really that simple.

They'll sell out their larger venues in the fall after Europe too, I'll wager. The album is getting a lot of word of mouth.

Sorry, but VH4 was nowhere near as fan friendly...and if their management was half as effective as you maintain, they'd have made twice as much money, they'd have capitalized in full on their brief return to the spotlight, they'd have made a lot more efforts at PR and appearances, acknowledged a largely abused fanbase by way of standard artist appreciation like contests and giveaways and such, and we'd have a seventh Dave-fronted VH album.

hehe I don't disagree with you. CF is doing a good job of promoting and although VH4 didn't need to do it to sell out their tour they should have done more and should in the future... but when you get your CF magic 8ball ask if VH will release new music by the end of 2010. I know you'll say you don't need it to answer that but I think your CF 8ball response to that question will be particularly amusing. *it is unclear ask again later*

V.H. Inc. made $95 Million in 07-08, and you are suggesting their management was ineffective. WTF?



The VH4 tour sold so well on name alone. Oh, and having the original singer back after a 20-year plus hiatus helped. Management didn't have to do much to drive sales. Not ineffective... maybe non-existent beyond the basics (giant press conference, ads, etc). Certainly nothing exceptional like the handlers of CK.

And nobody here on the biggest VH website on the net noticed it. ;)

Man, seeing that kid all New Yorker cartoon'd out kinda is wack. :)

Not to mention Al looks kinda like Arsenio Hall....

V.H. Inc. made $95 Million in 07-08, and you are suggesting their management was ineffective.

The tour sold itself... :rolleyes: The only management required was keeping people isolated on the proper busses from city to city, and depositing the paychecks in the correct accounts...

They are getting more publicity, because they are actually DOING INTERVIEWS.

Hell, Van Halen would have had TONS more pub if they had turned Dave loose. Or even if Eddie would have done some interviews and radio station appearances.

How cool would it have been for Eddie and Dave to show up to a few radio stations in whatever town they were playing that night, and done a couple of quick acoustic numbers? Wouldn't have even had to have been a VH song.

Or let Wolfie do some teeny-bopper publication interviews on a regular basis.

They left a lot on the table, publicity-wise. Wouldn't have helped much on the first leg, since it was basically sold out, but the second leg could have used some help.


Plus, Chickenfoot is something old, something new. It's a cool group, with the different styles coming together to just plain rock. I think that's also sparking some interest.

They are getting more publicity, because they are actually DOING INTERVIEWS.

Hell, Van Halen would have had TONS more pub if they had turned Dave loose. Or even if Eddie would have done some interviews and radio station appearances.

How cool would it have been for Eddie and Dave to show up to a few radio stations in whatever town they were playing that night, and done a couple of quick acoustic numbers? Wouldn't have even had to have been a VH song.

Or let Wolfie do some teeny-bopper publication interviews on a regular basis.

They left a lot on the table, publicity-wise. Wouldn't have helped much on the first leg, since it was basically sold out, but the second leg could have used some help.


Plus, Chickenfoot is something old, something new. It's a cool group, with the different styles coming together to just plain rock. I think that's also sparking some interest.

That sums it up nicely.

No one cares much about Chickenfoot except for people here on this site. They sold out 200 seat clubs, so what. Yes, they need all the publicity they can to sell tickets at any larger venues.

No one cares much about Chickenfoot except for people here on this site. They sold out 200 seat clubs, so what. Yes, they need all the publicity they can to sell tickets at any larger venues.

I'll be curious to see if this is true. I've wondered since the incarnation of this thing how popular it would be.

Selfishly, I hope it does stay low key and the true fans do have them to themselves. Of course, I don't want them to call it quits for lack of interest either.

No one cares much about Chickenfoot except for people here on this site. They sold out 200 seat clubs, so what. Yes, they need all the publicity they can to sell tickets at any larger venues.

:sssh: Right. Don't exaggerate or anything...

Like I said...this summer's gonna be hard for Eddie fluffers like you. :smokin:

:sssh: Right. Don't exaggerate or anything...

Like I said...this summer's gonna be hard for Eddie fluffers like you. :smokin:


But, we'll have unauthorized photos of Ed's wedding and Wolfie's graduation. I'm sure someone will be "sitting in the bushes" snapping some pics. ;)

Like some have already stated, CF is doing it right with the PR. VH4 could've done a whole lot better.

In Europe I've seen nothing for CF at all.....the only references / footage of seen has been via this site...

I hope they do OK - Satch is a cool player, however, historically these so called 'Supergroups' that come together from other bands don't last too long.....

:sssh: Right. Don't exaggerate or anything...

Like I said...this summer's gonna be hard for Eddie fluffers like you. :smokin:

Ahhh - Another insult from VS aimed at someone he doesn't know....how amusing. I bet he's a riot at his bbq's - Seems like a splendid chap! ;O)

Ahhh - Another insult from VS aimed at someone he doesn't know....how amusing. I bet he's a riot at his bbq's - Seems like a splendid chap! ;O)

Europe doesn't count. They're just doing you guys a small favor. :)

Think about it though. Unless the image appeared in Southern Living, Hustler, Guns And Ammo or Sports Illustrated, chances are no VH fan would have seen it.


I used to get my VH info from Golf Magazine... but alas no more...

I used to get my VH info from Golf Magazine... but alas no more...

:funny:

In Europe I've seen nothing for CF at all.....the only references / footage of seen has been via this site...

I hope they do OK - Satch is a cool player, however, historically these so called 'Supergroups' that come together from other bands don't last too long.....

I haven't seen much promo either outside of this place and their website, but playing the festivals was a very smart move. Whilst VH may be a forgotten 80s band, and most people don't know drummers, I think Satch has a very loyal and quite sizeable Euro following and I would expect their solo shows to do pretty well.

But it is the festivals, and the massive exposure that comes with them, that could be the test here. If they get a good response, which i think they will, word of mouth spreads pretty fast in the music world.

I just seriously hope they don't do any tunes from their old bands. At least festival sets are shorter and they can just play their own material, but I wonder if they can put together a whole show of new stuff. I would love that. Playing old hits, to me anyway, reeks of nostalgia - look at us, we were in famous bands, remember?

I haven't seen much promo either outside of this place and their website, but playing the festivals was a very smart move. Whilst VH may be a forgotten 80s band, and most people don't know drummers, I think Satch has a very loyal and quite sizeable Euro following and I would expect their solo shows to do pretty well.

But it is the festivals, and the massive exposure that comes with them, that could be the test here. If they get a good response, which i think they will, word of mouth spreads pretty fast in the music world.

I just seriously hope they don't do any tunes from their old bands. At least festival sets are shorter and they can just play their own material, but I wonder if they can put together a whole show of new stuff. I would love that. Playing old hits, to me anyway, reeks of nostalgia - look at us, we were in famous bands, remember?

That's my outlook as well. I'd much rather see them play the entire record and then throw in a few covers from bands they like. Let their new project succeed or fail on its own merit, not on the nostalgia of Van Halen, Montrose, driving 55, surfing aliens or giving it away.

I just seriously hope they don't do any tunes from their old bands. At least festival sets are shorter and they can just play their own material, but I wonder if they can put together a whole show of new stuff. I would love that.
Playing old hits, to me anyway, reeks of nostalgia - look at us, we were in famous bands, remember?


Seems to me there is a band that is notorious for that....

I agree with you guys. Since CF seems to have a CD of great tunes and a cool sound the more of that they play the better. When I see them in a few weeks I'm hoping to hear most of the new CD and really don't want to hear many covers of their old band's hits. If they do play covers I really hope it's not the same ole same ole Sam played with VH and all that. A Montrose tune or two would be cool though if they need to play any imo.

The thing is imo when musicians are this age with such long career's the nostalgia of who they are is part of the attraction/draw and something that can't be removed from the equation no matter what tunes they play.

I agree with you guys. Since CF seems to have a CD of great tunes and a cool sound the more of that they play the better. When I see them in a few weeks I'm hoping to hear most of the new CD and really don't want to hear many covers of their old band's hits. If they do play covers I really hope it's not the same ole same ole Sam played with VH and all that. A Montrose tune or two would be cool though if they need to play any imo.

The thing is imo when musicians are this age with such long career's the nostalgia of who they are is part of the attraction/draw and something that can't be removed from the equation no matter what tunes they play.



Well I know the beef with Sam when he was with VH is they played the music from their latest CD..Go back to some of their tours and check the setlist pretty much alot of new material with a few old ones throwed in so I think we will see the same on this tour.

He kind of resembles that Mona dude from the Waboritas.

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I agree with you guys. Since CF seems to have a CD of great tunes and a cool sound the more of that they play the better. When I see them in a few weeks I'm hoping to hear most of the new CD and really don't want to hear many covers of their old band's hits. If they do play covers I really hope it's not the same ole same ole Sam played with VH and all that. A Montrose tune or two would be cool though if they need to play any imo.

The thing is imo when musicians are this age with such long career's the nostalgia of who they are is part of the attraction/draw and something that can't be removed from the equation no matter what tunes they play.

you are very correct. Nostalgia can be a real albatross around a band's neck...look at Motley Crue, REO Speedwagon, Def Leopard, Duran Duran and tons of others that we can all rattle off. They come out with new music but the audience demands the old hits.

This is a little different in that this is supposed to be a new band and I think the hardest part for them will be the audience...will the audience show up to a Chickenfoot concert hoping to get a Vantrose performance? I don't think many of the fans in attendance will expect or care to hear a bunch of peppers songs and same goes for Joe's instrumental thing. If they do decide to play Vantrose material, I expect they will find themselves walking a very thin line between being a new vibrant rock band with some great new tunes and a Vantrose tribute band.

If I were their manager, (please allow me to play armchair manager for a moment) I would have them play the record straight through, tear people's heads off. Then, come back out and play two-three class rock songs from whoever, Zep, Deep Purple, whatever...and then that's it. Head to the showers and the meet and greet and head to the next town. If all is going well, then down the line aways I'd give a green light to start the wink-wink-nudge-nudge teasers...not full songs, just riffs here and there. Then at some point further, a few of the deep cuts from Montrose, Van Halen, Hagar's catalog, specially selected pepper songs if they want but never more than one at a show. This would play out over a year or so...then, if there's a next record, go for it...mix as many as three or four tracks per concert.

My goal being to put all the emphasis on the new material, on Chickenfoot the band instead of the individuals in the group and the nostalgia tracks.

You guys may think I'm way off base but that's how I'd play it....much like Paul McCartney did for a while...he just didn't play beatles tunes for years...then he started teasing it. Then he announced that he was going to perform Beatles songs again. I think it did a lot to help establish Wings and his solo work in the seventies in such a way that he was able to create some independance, an identity outside the group to a certain extent.

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I don't think anyone wants a lot of VH in the show but if you want them to only play there new album you will be in for a short show. 12 songs isn't a concert so I hope they play at least 10 other tunes for a full 2 hour set.

When VHagar did the LIVE tour, at the show I saw they came out and played 4 songs in about 15 minutes without taking a breath. If you ONLY want to hear the new stuff your show will be over in less than an hour. Unless you want to watch a bunch of the waitress crap that Sam overplayed during the last Wabo's tour. That crap ate up time for at least 3 more songs.

you are very correct. Nostalgia can be a real albatross around a band's neck...look at Motley Crue, REO Speedwagon, Def Leopard, Duran Duran and tons of others that we can all rattle off. They come out with new music but the audience demands the old hits.

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It's an albatross, but it's also how they earn a paycheck. Motley Crue could announce that going forward they are playing few or none of their past hits, but they can't expect to make nearly as much money.

Some artists will make that choice. I remember David Bowie doing a big greatest hits tour around 1990 where he was playing arenas. He also announced that it would be the last time he'd be performing the old songs. The next time he came into town a couple years later, he was playing a club. I believe that he eventually starting performing the old songs again.

If a band doesn't want to rely on past glory, that's their choice, but the bottom line will suffer.

A few years ago, I took my wife to see Elton John. He started the show by performing about 7-8 songs from his new album. Afterwards, he did an hour and a half of his old hits. I thought that was a good way to balance out getting your new product out there and performing the songs you know the fans want to hear.

It's an albatross, but it's also how they earn a paycheck. Motley Crue could announce that going forward they are playing few or none of their past hits, but they can't expect to make nearly as much money.

Some artists will make that choice. I remember David Bowie doing a big greatest hits tour around 1990 where he was playing arenas. He also announced that it would be the last time he'd be performing the old songs. The next time he came into town a couple years later, he was playing a club. I believe that he eventually starting performing the old songs again.

If a band doesn't want to rely on past glory, that's their choice, but the bottom line will suffer.

A few years ago, I took my wife to see Elton John. He started the show by performing about 7-8 songs from his new album. Afterwards, he did an hour and a half of his old hits. I thought that was a good way to balance out getting your new product out there and performing the songs you know the fans want to hear.

it's a fine difficult-to-walk line no doubt. Bands like Chickenfoot are in a unique position too because unlike Bowie, McCartney, John and others, Chickenfoot does not have a history or catalog of their own. The individuals in the group have their own histories and I fear that paying too much attention to that will run the risk of making Chickenfoot a sort of tribute band instead of a unique entity in its own right.

Seems like once they, or any other artist, go too far down the road of a nostalgia trip tour after tour, they doom any hope of putting emphasis and building enthusiasm for their new material among the fanbase.

it's a fine difficult-to-walk line no doubt. Bands like Chickenfoot are in a unique position too because unlike Bowie, McCartney, John and others, Chickenfoot does not have a history or catalog of their own. The individuals in the group have their own histories and I fear that paying too much attention to that will run the risk of making Chickenfoot a sort of tribute band instead of a unique entity in its own right.

Seems like once they, or any other artist, go too far down the road of a nostalgia trip tour after tour, they doom any hope of putting emphasis and building enthusiasm for their new material among the fanbase.

I was thinking the same thing about the 'Foot, this is their first album, so there's no 'band history' there. One has to wonder though, out there in the public eye, will there be an expectation of there to be VH, Hagar, Peppers tunes to be thrown in the set list?

I was thinking the same thing about the 'Foot, this is their first album, so there's no 'band history' there. One has to wonder though, out there in the public eye, will there be an expectation of there to be VH, Hagar, Peppers tunes to be thrown in the set list?

The only expectation I have is they play all or most all of the CF album. After that I have my preferences as to what I would like them to do, but the show will most likely rock anyway they come up with.

I remember seeing VH in the Sam era double-digit times and it drove me nuts that they played the same stuff all the time, especially from classic VH. It would have been my total preference to have them go deeper in the catalog and play 75-90% of whatever album they were touring on at the time. But I'll tell you what, I never left one single show disappointed.

I'm sure every fan would love to be able to create our own set lists for the band, but they would all be different. I suppose I'm in the minority in that I want to hear mostly newer stuff with the classic stuff sprinkled in and have a band throw in a few deep cuts to keep themselves fresh and keep us on our toes.

When I finally go to the Filmore to see them, it will my first concert ever that I'm seeing a band play songs I've never heard of before (With the exception of the three). Can't wait to see how that works out. I'd imagine just to get the crowd "into it" there gonna have to play a couple recognizable songs. Although I expect to hear every song they made, that's why I see this as a "road test". See what songs work live, and what ones are cut.

it's a fine difficult-to-walk line no doubt. Bands like Chickenfoot are in a unique position too because unlike Bowie, McCartney, John and others, Chickenfoot does not have a history or catalog of their own. The individuals in the group have their own histories and I fear that paying too much attention to that will run the risk of making Chickenfoot a sort of tribute band instead of a unique entity in its own right.

Seems like once they, or any other artist, go too far down the road of a nostalgia trip tour after tour, they doom any hope of putting emphasis and building enthusiasm for their new material among the fanbase.

It's a fine line for sure.You mentioned Duran Duran. I remember taking a girl to see Duran Duran many years ago and after every song this group of girls up in front would shout out "The Reflex". Finally at one point a visibly irritated Simon Le Bon said "It's coming, it's comng. We want to do some other stuff too, ok?"

Let's say a band was extremely popular in 1985 and releasing double platinum albums, but is less popular today and struggling to get airplay and moved 300,000 units of their last album. When they announce their tour, are the ticket prices and venue sizes going to be typical of their present popularity, or of their past popularity? If they price tickets at $20.000 and play a 3,000 seat venue, they can probably do whatever they want. If they charge $75.00 and play a 10,000 seat venue, they're relying on their past popularity to sell tickets and pretty much have to play a lot of old stuff.

With Chickenfoot being a new band with individual members with long histories, it does add a wrinkle to the situation. Still, unless the album absolutely explodes this summer, if they are going to try and play arenas, I would think they'll have to sprinkle in a healthy dose of their individual pasts.

It's a fine line for sure.You mentioned Duran Duran. I remember taking a girl to see Duran Duran many years ago and after every song this group of girls up in front would shout out "The Reflex". Finally at one point a visibly irritated Simon Le Bon said "It's coming, it's comng. We want to do some other stuff too, ok?"

Let's say a band was extremely popular in 1985 and releasing double platinum albums, but is less popular today and struggling to get airplay and moved 300,000 units of their last album. When they announce their tour, are the ticket prices and venue sizes going to be typical of their present popularity, or of their past popularity? If they price tickets at $20.000 and play a 3,000 seat venue, they can probably do whatever they want. If they charge $75.00 and play a 10,000 seat venue, they're relying on their past popularity to sell tickets and pretty much have to play a lot of old stuff.

With Chickenfoot being a new band with individual members with long histories, it does add a wrinkle to the situation. Still, unless the album absolutely explodes this summer, if they are going to try and play arenas, I would think they'll have to sprinkle in a healthy dose of their individual pasts.


Can these guys headline an arena tour? Me thinks not...I could be wrong...an arena being something like the Toyota Center...seats probably12-13K for a concert. I just don't see them filling it. I'd much rather they stick to places like House of Blues or Verizon Wireless that seats maybe 2K with general admission.

Granted, I dream of an Extreme, Chickenfoot, Mr Big, Living Colour super-totally-awesome-summer-concert event!!!!

Cool my band is a new band, can I get press in the New Yorker? I'll call them up. :)


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