Say one date on the tour the band says hey.... let's invite mike down to play one show or a few tunes for old times sake. What will be hilarious is seeing the fan reaction if that happened. It would be huge cuz it would finally be ALL original members and finally good bass playing and singing! There would be madness and honestly if that happened Dave and Eddie would be retarded to not let Mike back in the band, even just for the fans or whatever reasons. The fan reaction would blow them away and finally make them realize, maybe hey we are fuckin' dicks when it comes down to this mysterious Mike situation.

Pipe dream. I believe that Mike or Sam will never play with the bros. again. I see Sam being able to do it, but he won't without Mikey. For whatever reason, Mike has become a pariah to VH, which I don't get.

i think he should go to one show and get front center on ed's side and see what happens!!

they've had huge ticket sales without him, so ed will NOT invite mike back in... the general public is not too discriminating and are harping on seeing dave and ed together again and can live without mike... personally, i wish it were the original four, but it's just not going to happen, at least not on this tour...

I think Mike WILL be in VH once again. It's a manager's/PR guys wet dream with what's going on with the band right now. Tix are selling like hot cakes, and it's not even the original 4!!?? So, what happens when they DO get the original 4 back together?!? Exactly. As big as if not bigger than the Led Zep thing. And if you disagree with that, then why the hell is DLR back in VH?!?
Oldest rule in the sales/marketing book...You don't give people exactly what they want until you've reached the VERY end. I predict we will see a "full" VH tour in the next few years. Eddie, Alex, Dave, Mike AND Sam. They're building up to it...Re-establishing the legacy right now.
And for all you doubting Thomases out there...take a second and think about this...David Lee Roth is back in Van Halen again. I repeat...DAVID LEE ROTH is back in Van Halen.... :thumb:

It's hard to say. It may really depend on what's in Wolfy's heart. He may, at the end of this tour, say "It was a blast but I want more, to be in my own deal, to step outside the shadow of the VH legacy" at which point I think Ed may reconsider.

It's hard to say. It may really depend on what's in Wolfy's heart. He may, at the end of this tour, say "It was a blast but I want more, to be in my own deal, to step outside the shadow of the VH legacy" at which point I think Ed may reconsider.

Wolfgang is too young to make such a mature decision. He's a kid guys, he's getting his fame from someone else and he'll ride until he's old enough to know better.

Wolfgang is too young to make such a mature decision. He's a kid guys, he's getting his fame from someone else and he'll ride until he's old enough to know better.

He's not too young to make that kind of a decision, especially after doing a major tour.

He's not too young to make that kind of a decision, especially after doing a major tour.

I maintain my stance until the kid proves otherwise.

bigger then zeppelin?? Not a chance. But still big

I maintain my stance until the kid proves otherwise.

He's not just any kid. by 16 most boys have been through multiple bands in HS. Add to that that Wolfy has already been "famous" for being Ed's kid. Add to that that he's already got major tour under his belt. A 16 year is COMPLETELY capable of seeing that he's living in the shadow of something else if he chooses to see it that way. 16 is not too young.

If he randomly shows up, chances are it would happen at home (ie Chicago)

And guess who's going to both Chicago shows!? :D








































Nah, it'll never happen.

as long as Wolfgang is physically able to play bass, Micheal Anthony is officially done with Van Halen...

as long as Wolfgang is physically able to play bass, Micheal Anthony is officially done with Van Halen...

I think that was the father son talk/order Ed gave wolfy when he was younger.

"As long as you can physically play bass, you're playing bass in VH. . . AND YOU'LL LIKE IT MISTER"

:D

Laughable.:D

What about the possibility of Wolf giving the finger to Ed? I mean that's what teens do...

What about the possibility of Wolf giving the finger to Ed? I mean that's what teens do...

lol :D

I think at this point Mikey will be lucky if they even let him backstage.

Stick a fork in this band, they're done. J/K!

It'd be kewl if he did show up at one of the LA shows or the last show. It'd be even kewler if somebody was able to record it or if VH released the show on dvd. But this is VH so that'll never happen.

Anyone who thinks that anything is "written in stone" with this band is as naive as they come.

Dave didnt stay, Sam didnt stay, Gary didnt stay, Mikey didnt stay.....

Never bet the farm when it comes to Van Halen.

I wonder if we'll all be here in 2013 debating how unfair it is that Wolfie kicked Ed out of the band.

Sorry dad, but you're just too old!:p

Say one date on the tour the band says hey.... let's invite mike down to play one show or a few tunes for old times sake. What will be hilarious is seeing the fan reaction if that happened. It would be huge cuz it would finally be ALL original members and finally good bass playing and singing! There would be madness and honestly if that happened Dave and Eddie would be retarded to not let Mike back in the band, even just for the fans or whatever reasons. The fan reaction would blow them away and finally make them realize, maybe hey we are fuckin' dicks when it comes down to this mysterious Mike situation.

Sorry fella, but the Kid can play bass! I miss Mike, and if he did show up it would be a date that him, and Sam had an off night! Other than that hes playing with Sammy!

I wonder if we'll all be here in 2013 debating how unfair it is that Wolfie kicked Ed out of the band.

Sorry dad, but you're just too old!:p

:funny:

As sad as it is, at this point it seem very unlikely that Mike will ever rejoin Van Halen. He'll more than likely do some kind of project with Sammy in the future, ala Planet US or Chickenfoot.

As for Wolfie, I'll be surpised if he has any success outside of Van Halen. Joining this band was career suicide for him. Following Ed's legacy, particularly after joining his father's legendary band, will be a near impossible task.

I would love for Mike to show up at a show amongst the fans and Dave bring him up on stage for couple of songs.....

Is it that VH do not want Mike but Sammy will not let him return?

No, Sam has stated all along it's wrong without Mikey and that if Ed called he could leave the Sam tour and go tour with VH.

they've had huge ticket sales without him, so ed will NOT invite mike back in... the general public is not too discriminating and are harping on seeing dave and ed together again and can live without mike... personally, i wish it were the original four, but it's just not going to happen, at least not on this tour...

Tickets sales are doing okay, but not "huge". I have a lot of friends who are boycotting this tour due to Mikey getting dissed. Personally, I am going, but I do feel bad for Mikey. It's got to feel to him like a knife stuck in his back by a lifelong friend.

Pipe dream. I believe that Mike or Sam will never play with the bros. again. I see Sam being able to do it, but he won't without Mikey. For whatever reason, Mike has become a pariah to VH, which I don't get.

here's an outtake from "Guitar One " (May 2006), the 'lost' fair warning interview with eddie.... the question was about dave's vocals.... ended with:

"i won't rag too much on dave; he pulls his weight. mike (anthony) doesnt. he doesnt do anything; he has no input whatsoever. but he has remodeled his whole house and bought himself a porsche (turbo) carrera with all the money he's made off us. whatever."

so look like this has been going on since day one. so i think this can put to rest whether sam had anything to do with it.... for all we know he was keeping him in the band all these years.... (which doesnt explain the cherone era)

i saw them in 1984 when they were a true 'working' band.... to me yes, then they needed the original 4.... i saw them last night in toronto and it was fantastic.... now it is like a page / plant thing.... (ie no jones) it is something new.... and with all the years in between and age and such, it didnt have any impact on me whatsoever....

I wonder if we'll all be here in 2013 debating how unfair it is that Wolfie kicked Ed out of the band.

Sorry dad, but you're just too old!:p

"Get me my guitar boy, we're going on tour again!"

http://www.hotmail-central.com/stuff/oldevh.jpg

"Fuck you dad, I got the guys from the Atomic Punks to replace your old asses. Have fun playing bingo in the nursing home with Dave and Uncle Al!"

:D

The future of Van Halen, despite the current success, is still a big...

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I think Wolf would be the most interesting current member of VH to talk to about the situation, because shy of a few magazine and press conference comments, nobody has any idea what he thinks about doing the VH thing, Michael Anthony, or ANYTHING at all. The kid's doing a good job, but what he knows/feels/thinks about his dad's band and its legacy is a complete unknown.

The future of Van Halen, despite the current success, is still a big...

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I think Wolf would be the most interesting current member of VH to talk to about the situation, because shy of a few magazine and press conference comments, nobody has any idea what he thinks about doing the VH thing, Michael Anthony, or ANYTHING at all. The kid's doing a good job, but what he knows/feels/thinks about his dad's band and its legacy is a complete unknown.

Maybe he'll be like Cush in Jerry MaGuire "I just wanna play rock'n'roll" http://www.ls2.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

The future of Van Halen, despite the current success, is still a big...

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I think Wolf would be the most interesting current member of VH to talk to about the situation, because shy of a few magazine and press conference comments, nobody has any idea what he thinks about doing the VH thing, Michael Anthony, or ANYTHING at all. The kid's doing a good job, but what he knows/feels/thinks about his dad's band and its legacy is a complete unknown.

After listening to the press conference when he talked about his favorite bands and stuff I found he totally sounded his age. I really doubt this kid has any idea what he's done and I don't think he knows what respect is yet. I'm not slamming the kid, but he's just too young to understand this stuff.

He knows more about VH than anyone here....

After listening to the press conference when he talked about his favorite bands and stuff I found he totally sounded his age. I really doubt this kid has any idea what he's done and I don't think he knows what respect is yet. I'm not slamming the kid, but he's just too young to understand this stuff.



You're still pissed about the Mike ship sinking...:D

You're still pissed about the Mike ship sinking...:D

yes sir!

Pipe dream. I believe that Mike or Sam will never play with the bros. again. I see Sam being able to do it, but he won't without Mikey. For whatever reason, Mike has become a pariah to VH, which I don't get.

i disagree. i think there is a better chance of mike getting back than sam. this tour could be a one off thing for ed to play with his son and then they could always make peace and do the full reunion. after seeing the kid play i doubt it, but i'd welcome it.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN THIS TOUR. If it does happen sometime, and it prob won't, odds it won't be a 1 time thing. If the original 4 play together again in public, they won't be able to go back to Wolf, fans won't buy it twice. They don't need any more controversy in this band and they know it. Sticking w/Wolf is prob what we will see from now on for quite a few years assuming the they dont all get back on the ego train and start bickering again, which which is the more likely thing to happen. Gary has a better chance getting back w/ the band than Mike.

here's an outtake from "Guitar One " (May 2006), the 'lost' fair warning interview with eddie.... the question was about dave's vocals.... ended with:

"i won't rag too much on dave; he pulls his weight. mike (anthony) doesnt. he doesnt do anything; he has no input whatsoever. but he has remodeled his whole house and bought himself a porsche (turbo) carrera with all the money he's made off us. whatever."


Wow, that's harsh and bitter on Eddie's part. Every group needs a bass player at the very least for live shows. There are plenty of great bands who had essential (or at least worthy) members that didn't compose much of anything. Two geniuses is all you need.
As for the money made and spent on his home...what was Mike supposed to do...play for free? I doubt Eddie would even accept much imput any bass player with a different last name gave him anyway. Why would a genius have to?

After listening to the press conference when he talked about his favorite bands and stuff I found he totally sounded his age. I really doubt this kid has any idea what he's done and I don't think he knows what respect is yet. I'm not slamming the kid, but he's just too young to understand this stuff.

Wolfie has done NOTHING wrong if that's what your implying. He is just playing with his Dad... upon his DAD'S REQUEST....and.... For a kid to get up there and play in front of 20,000 people every other night...I need to give him his props on that....however I must say that he is lucky that Dave is singing or else there would have been a sea of boo-ing people...not AT HIM...but at the SITUATION....

He's 3 years younger than us dude...being 16 compared to 19.....not much has changed in my mind in that time (Except the fact of getting laid is a foremost thought in my brain....)............had Mikey gotten kicked out when I was 16 I would have viewed it no differently than I did now....

Your kind of making it out to be that he is 12 or something....:D

I always found it convenient that this lost interview was found around the time that rumours of Mikey not being involved with VH anymore came up....very convenient......

i disagree. i think there is a better chance of mike getting back than sam. this tour could be a one off thing for ed to play with his son and then they could always make peace and do the full reunion. after seeing the kid play i doubt it, but i'd welcome it.

5 Stars 1000 bucks across the board....jesus christ!.....

They should have done the FULL Reunion first and then gotten Wolfie...hell Dave was saying all along through his radio show....and I quote, "You gotta do the full reunion before anything Ed does is looked at through new eyes..."

They could have done 80 shows with the classic line up and given every fan what they wanted all during this time saying...that this is the LAST time the Classic Line up will play together (you know how much money they could have made had they done this)....and then I think people would have been more accepting not totally accepting but more accepting to seeing Wolfie come in and play bass after the Classic line-up had reunited....

then again Mikey should have never been kicked out period so in any circumstance it wouldn't be okay to kick him out!

It's hard to say. It may really depend on what's in Wolfy's heart. He may, at the end of this tour, say "It was a blast but I want more, to be in my own deal, to step outside the shadow of the VH legacy" at which point I think Ed may reconsider.

why would Wolfgang do that? VH is basically the family band. He probably has more say in the band's affairs then Mike ever did. If he wants to do something else he still can without leaving VH (and daddy and uncle Al will probably produce anything he does).

Not that it's ever gonna happen, he's in a successful rock band and you're expecting him to say "I think I'll start my own band instead", VH is his band. Some of us just don't get it yet. If he wants to write songs, he will. And they will be released under the VH name.

I love Mike and I think there is still a possibility that one day you'll see a VH tour with him on it but only if VH thinks that it's good for business. But he'll be a contract employee, he won't be a member of the band again. That ship has sailed. The only chance of him ever becoming a member again was if Ed was proven wrong about Wolfie being able to replace him. Ed wasn't wrong. The band sounds great & the shows are selling. VH is now Ed, Al, Wolfie and whoever they want to sing. I don't see this changing until one of them passes away.

Wolfie has done NOTHING wrong if that's what your implying. He is just playing with his Dad... upon his DAD'S REQUEST....and.... For a kid to get up there and play in front of 20,000 people every other night...I need to give him his props on that....however I must say that he is lucky that Dave is singing or else there would have been a sea of boo-ing people...not AT HIM...but at the SITUATION....

He's 3 years younger than us dude...being 16 compared to 19.....not much has changed in my mind in that time (Except the fact of getting laid is a foremost thought in my brain....)............had Mikey gotten kicked out when I was 16 I would have viewed it no differently than I did now....

Your kind of making it out to be that he is 12 or something....:D

I find that a ton has changed in that time personally, but that's obviously subjective. What I'm saying is not that Wolfie is to blame, but rather that he does not understand what has occurred. He's just a 16 year old living a dream at the expense of someone else. It isn't his fault, it's Ed's, but I don't think the kid has any idea how terrible his father has treated mike. Perhaps what I should have said is "what his father has done with him". Regardless, the kid is a VH, his dad is a loon, so he's probably not what we consider a socially normal guy. anyways...
point of all this is that Mike won't be seen on this tour, Eddie wants him forgotten, and doesn't have the class or care to do such a thing.

5 Stars 1000 bucks across the board....jesus christ!.....

They should have done the FULL Reunion first and then gotten Wolfie...hell Dave was saying all along through his radio show....and I quote, "You gotta do the full reunion before anything Ed does is looked at through new eyes..."

They could have done 80 shows with the classic line up and given every fan what they wanted all during this time saying...that this is the LAST time the Classic Line up will play together (you know how much money they could have made had they done this)....and then I think people would have been more accepting not totally accepting but more accepting to seeing Wolfie come in and play bass after the Classic line-up had reunited....

then again Mikey should have never been kicked out period so in any circumstance it wouldn't be okay to kick him out!

Sad part about it is is that Dave doesn't care either. He just wants to be in the spotlight again anyway Ed will let him. A shame he can't be himself.

I find that a ton has changed in that time personally, but that's obviously subjective. What I'm saying is not that Wolfie is to blame, but rather that he does not understand what has occurred. He's just a 16 year old living a dream at the expense of someone else. It isn't his fault, it's Ed's, but I don't think the kid has any idea how terrible his father has treated mike. Perhaps what I should have said is "what his father has done with him". Regardless, the kid is a VH, his dad is a loon, so he's probably not what we consider a socially normal guy. anyways...
point of all this is that Mike won't be seen on this tour, Eddie wants him forgotten, and doesn't have the class or care to do such a thing.

i think we can safely say that the 16 year old kid has a much better appreciation of how Mike has been treated than any of us do.

I think Mike WILL be in VH once again. It's a manager's/PR guys wet dream with what's going on with the band right now. Tix are selling like hot cakes, and it's not even the original 4!!?? So, what happens when they DO get the original 4 back together?!? Exactly. As big as if not bigger than the Led Zep thing. And if you disagree with that, then why the hell is DLR back in VH?!?
Oldest rule in the sales/marketing book...You don't give people exactly what they want until you've reached the VERY end. I predict we will see a "full" VH tour in the next few years. Eddie, Alex, Dave, Mike AND Sam. They're building up to it...Re-establishing the legacy right now.
And for all you doubting Thomases out there...take a second and think about this...David Lee Roth is back in Van Halen again. I repeat...DAVID LEE ROTH is back in Van Halen.... by han valen




Exactly

i think we can safely say that the 16 year old kid has a much better appreciation of how Mike has been treated than any of us do.

I suppose given his position. I just hope he isn't brainwashed.

I suppose given his position. I just hope he isn't brainwashed.

he didn't look brainwashed on Sunday. Eddie isn't satan dude, just looked like a dad that really wanted to play with his kid. It was actually a really nice sight.

he didn't look brainwashed on Sunday. Eddie isn't satan dude, just looked like a dad that really wanted to play with his kid. It was actually a really nice sight.

I never said he was Satan, but he is a real jerk. I'm saying that since he got sober I hope he didn't make Mike or Sammy look like satan to his kid.

I never said he was Satan, but he is a real jerk. I'm saying that since he got sober I hope he didn't make Mike or Sammy look like satan to his kid.

Wolfie have known Mike and Sammy for his whole life, I'm sure he's got his own feelings on them.

5 Stars 1000 bucks across the board....jesus christ!.....

They should have done the FULL Reunion first and then gotten Wolfie...hell Dave was saying all along through his radio show....and I quote, "You gotta do the full reunion before anything Ed does is looked at through new eyes..."

They could have done 80 shows with the classic line up and given every fan what they wanted all during this time saying...that this is the LAST time the Classic Line up will play together (you know how much money they could have made had they done this)....and then I think people would have been more accepting not totally accepting but more accepting to seeing Wolfie come in and play bass after the Classic line-up had reunited....

then again Mikey should have never been kicked out period so in any circumstance it wouldn't be okay to kick him out!

i agree they should have done the full reunion firs, but it wasn't up to us. in a way, i think the wolfie idea is better than mike know because it may help ed clean up his act and if they get through this tour then perhaps they could do the full reunion tour.

and i disagree with you saying they would be more accepting of wolfie later. with the loyalty a lot of vh fans have for mikey, they would probably have freaked out even more if they brought in wolfie later. i can just hear it now "fucking assholes used mike to make a huge amount of $$$ on the reunion tour and then the assholes dump him". i think everyone would always want the classic line up at all times and quite frankly i do not blame them for wanting the band we grew up loving.

Bottom line is that any fan of any age wants Mike, the difference being some can do without him and others can't. I find a lot of people were misunderstood for slamming Wolfgang (although some did), and some people dismissed Mike's contributions to the band. Wolfgang is probably best for Ed, and I could take that further about Ed's character and blah blah blah, but we all know how it is and we all want to see him well. As long as those that go enjoy it, that's what matters. A shame Mike won't even make an appearance, but I love Sam and the Wabos, and I'm happy to see Mike sharing that stage. If nothing else, all 5 relevant members of the band are active.

i agree they should have done the full reunion firs, but it wasn't up to us. in a way, i think the wolfie idea is better than mike know because it may help ed clean up his act and if they get through this tour then perhaps they could do the full reunion tour.

and i disagree with you saying they would be more accepting of wolfie later. with the loyalty a lot of vh fans have for mikey, they would probably have freaked out even more if they brought in wolfie later. i can just hear it now "fucking assholes used mike to make a huge amount of $$$ on the reunion tour and then the assholes dump him". i think everyone would always want the classic line up at all times and quite frankly i do not blame them for wanting the band we grew up loving.

If they ask Mike in next year I hope Mike says, "Thanks guys....but....NO THANKS...you fucked me once....I'm not gonna go along any more..."...

I agree that I would love to see the original line-up...but it should have been that way to begin with...so brining Mikey back after this tour won't really erase what has happened.....Ed's gonna say "We're back with our newest brother!" And many people will believe it....

If you ask someone for help 3 times and they say no every time and then the 4th time after repeated attempts.... that person says Yes...are you more likely to tell them what you need help with or say, "FUCK YOU...you didn't want to help me in the first place so I'm not gonna take your help now!....that's what I would do at least...and that's what I would want Mikey to do....:thumb:

If they ask Mike in next year I hope Mike says, "Thanks guys....but....NO THANKS...you fucked me once....I'm not gonna go along any more..."...

I agree that I would love to see the original line-up...but it should have been that way to begin with...so brining Mikey back after this tour won't really erase what has happened.....Ed's gonna say "We're back with our newest brother!" And many people will believe it....

If you ask someone for help 3 times and they say no every time and then the 4th time after repeated attempts.... that person says Yes...are you more likely to tell them what you need help with or say, "FUCK YOU...you didn't want to help me in the first place so I'm not gonna take your help now!....that's what I would do at least...and that's what I would want Mikey to do....:thumb:


After seeing the show I saw last Sunday and comparing it to the previous tour and the tension on stage, I can safely say that I'm ok with the current lineup continuing on. I love Mike and still consider him to be 1/3 of VH but it's become apparent that he and Ed have deep issues that are not gonna be resolved. And if the options are the happy band I saw last Sunday vs a band that really doesn't like each other. Well, I'll take the hit on background vocals and take the current lineup. I'm not expecting a whole lot of new material out of the band anyways (not that Mike was ever a songwriter), watching the current lineup on stage is a fun time. And that's all I can ask for.

After seeing the show I saw last Sunday and comparing it to the previous tour and the tension on stage, I can safely say that I'm ok with the current lineup continuing on. I love Mike and still consider him to be 1/3 of VH but it's become apparent that he and Ed have deep issues that are not gonna be resolved. And if the options are the happy band I saw last Sunday vs a band that really doesn't like each other. Well, I'll take the hit on background vocals and take the current lineup. I'm not expecting a whole lot of new material out of the band anyways (not that Mike was ever a songwriter), watching the current lineup on stage is a fun time. And that's all I can ask for.

I loved the show too! How could we not from where you and I were sitt....standing....:D I have little problems with this line-up if that is what Ed wants to do....because I could see Ed's facial expressions very well that he looked genuinely proud that he was playing these songs with his son....he looked very happy...and you're right...that's all I could ask for.....

One question for you...what do you think scalpers are gonna be asking for tickets on Friday...on Sun they were giving away upper level seats for 10 bucks and floors for 150?

The possibility is always there with Van Halen. One show or even just one song would be pretty cool. The reality of it right now is that VH is doing fine without him. People are going to the shows are rocking along with the band.

"If Mike randomly shows up on the 07 tour..."

Heh...that's too funny.

I loved the show too! How could we not from where you and I were sitt....standing....:D I have little problems with this line-up if that is what Ed wants to do....because I could see Ed's facial expressions very well that he looked genuinely proud that he was playing these songs with his son....he looked very happy...and you're right...that's all I could ask for.....

One question for you...what do you think scalpers are gonna be asking for tickets on Friday...on Sun they were giving away upper level seats for 10 bucks and floors for 150?

and on fridays show when he was doing that wolfgang part pf the solo (3:16 or whatever?) and he made his little speech about being blown away he wrote that for his son, it was very telling in words and tone when he followed that up with 'and now he's in the band *snicker snicker* i found it very revealing to me

past that having seen them twice in the past week, and being a CVH fan entirely, and seeing how this present line up is evolving, and knowing the history of bad blood, WHY would any of us WANT to see him return, if only that he seems to be in a different place with sam and VH is in another headspace.... i think the more the tour goes on it would just become more 'weird' for him to show up (and thats not a knock against him, just the situation....)

and on fridays show when he was doing that wolfgang part pf the solo (3:16 or whatever?) and he made his little speech about being blown away he wrote that for his son, it was very telling in words and tone when he followed that up with 'and now he's in the band *snicker snicker* i found it very revealing to me

past that having seen them twice in the past week, and being a CVH fan entirely, and seeing how this present line up is evolving, and knowing the history of bad blood, WHY would any of us WANT to see him return, if only that he seems to be in a different place with sam and VH is in another headspace.... i think the more the tour goes on it would just become more 'weird' for him to show up (and thats not a knock against him, just the situation....)
i think mike is done. i don't see anyway they bring him back especially with the success of this tour. even if this is a one off with wolfie (which i doubt), i think in the future they would just bring in a bass player a la bon jovi who just plays and stays in the background. don't you all start yelling at me now, but thats what i believe.

Mike is definitely done, and you know what, he'll be a lot happier without the drama of having to deal with Edward Van Halen.

Mike is definitely done, and you know what, he'll be a lot happier without the drama of having to deal with Edward Van Halen.

As Dave said on one of his songs..."That the Bottom Line" Mike is finished w/VH and he with him. With the current situation that's how it should be. At this point I really don't want him back, everybody seems happy now.

At this point I really don't want him back, everybody seems happy now.

I can't understand how ANY Van Halen fan can feel that way, regardless of which singer you support.

Mike is definitely done, and you know what, he'll be a lot happier without the drama of having to deal with Edward Van Halen.

i think mike would be happier on this tour because ed is sober and if ed is sober i assume a lot of the drama does not exist. i really think there is more to this than we know and i am starting to think sammy is pretty full of shit and may have lead mike down a slippery slope. sammy still doesn't know when to shut up. everyone rips ed, but i give some credit for shuting the fuck up, sammy has yet to learn that one and i don't think he helps his best pal that a think he uses like his little bitch.

i think mike would be happier on this tour because ed is sober and if ed is sober i assume a lot of the drama does not exist. i really think there is more to this than we know and i am starting to think sammy is pretty full of shit and may have lead mike down a slippery slope. sammy still doesn't know when to shut up. everyone rips ed, but i give some credit for shuting the fuck up, sammy has yet to learn that one and i don't think he helps his best pal that a think he uses like his little bitch.


:rolleyes:
Here we fucking go again. Sam this...Sam that.

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YOU don't know when to shut up.

It never gets old for some man, really it doesn't. It's truly strange.

When it gets old for me, this is how I spell relief......:thumb:

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Here we fucking go again. Sam this...Sam that.

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YOU don't know when to shut up.

i think the longer this current tour goes on without drama the more negative things will be said about Sam. I like Sam but he's not doing himself any favours by continuing to paint himself as the good guy. There's a reason why Mike doesn't get pissed on very much but Sam does, it's because Mike doesn't talk shit very much. I think Sam should take the Mike approach - that being if you have nothing good to say then don't say anything. It's looks like Ed is finally living by that rule.

And it's hard to take you seriously when you think the "right thing" is for Sam to be included on this tour. That's friggin laughable. He belongs on that stage as much as Dave belonged in 2004.

Who said that?

Who said that?

my mistake - i misread your signature. Sorrry dude. :)

my mistake - i misread your signature. Sorrry dude. :)

No worries.

Now maybe we can stop talking about Sam in a Mike thread.....anyone...anyone....Bueller?

such a tire subject. bring it up again after the tour is over. at that point it'll be all be about new music. I see wolfie being the major reason why the tour has happened at all. that'll probably still be the case when any new music would and should come together. Wolfie is an inspriation to the man that matters the most. nobody is hanging on to anybody elses new sounds the way the king can and should deliver. you all know this.

No worries.

Now maybe we can stop talking about Sam in a Mike thread.....anyone...anyone....Bueller?

u know that aint gonna happen. :D just like Mike and Sam are gonna get mentioned in the 2007 tour threads. these guys are linked forever

such a tire subject..

Agreed.



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No worries.

Now maybe we can stop talking about Sam in a Mike thread.....anyone...anyone....Bueller?

fair enough, but maybe if would also help if sam would stop speaking on behalf of mike. you'd almost think he is mike's pr guy.

You know what if Mikey is REALLY happy doing this tour with Sam...then GOD BLESS...a salut!

IF Mikey was on this VH Tour and he would just be a gagged member...not being allowed to say a word...just being paid to play in the band that he helped create...then I as a fan would feel pretty damn selfish wanting to see that...just to see the original line-up together

The same thing with Eddie and his alcoholism...I wanted Ed to get healthy...PERIOD...not many...but some people here( and I mean a very very very select few)...wanted a tour with Roth SOOO BAD that I think one out-weighed the other....Ed didn't have to strike another note on the guitar...as long as he is healthy...that is all that matters to me....

Mike is very happy doing what he is doing...so it kind of makes me feel better about this Roth Tour....I'm just watching an interview from 1993 and I just see Mike sitting there quietly not really saying much or being allowed to say much..and I'm thinking...there is nobody that deserves our respect more than this man.....I know we pay him and he makes millions of dollars...but you know what....if he lost it all...I would bet everything I OWN....that he wouldn't change one bit.....:thumb:

Mikey would be treated like dirt if he was on the tour anyways. He's better off doing his own thing than putting up with the headache.

Hey as we all know Mike is a pretty class guy and seems pretty genuine. But I think Ed has wanted to make a change on bass for a long time. Quotes like that Fair Warning interview weren't all that hard to find. They weren't always direct and blunt quotes like that. But you could read a little between the lines at that time, and there were always a lot of rumors in that regard.

As far as a reflection on Ed's character? I think it says something that he stuck with him as long as he did, even though he was unhappy. There was a good line in Cinderella Man, by the promoter of a Braddock fight when Braddocks manager sarcastically said "You're all heart" the promoters reply was ..."My heart is for my family, my brains and balls are for business"