If you guys and gals remember the transcripts of Hagar's book he wanted to change VH's sound. Ed if I recall correctly was more receptive to it than Al. Soon after Ed kicked Hagar out the door (Thank God).

Anyway, the reason I bring this up is that you people are so quick to judge but slow to understand.

I've never heard of "The Chemical Brothers" but you guys must remember that Sammy tried the same thing.

Excerpt:



Japan had always been a stronghold for Van Halen, and the whole band was looking forward to the seven sold-out dates they were playing. Kari remained behind to make the final arrangements for the couple's November 29 wedding at Mt. Tamalpais, near Mill Valley. She would rendezvous with her future husband in Hawaii, along with the other wives, for the final two shows starting Nov. 4. Hagar's San Francisco flight arrived in Tokyo a few hours before everyone else, because they left from Los Angeles. His long flight across the Pacific had given him a considerable amount of time to rethink the group's musical future. Again, the band's subdued reception in Europe continued to haunt him. Van Halen needed to reinvent itself, period. Sammy
was convinced a new wrinkle needed to be added to the mix. "If Van Halen wanted to be a truly celebrated band," he contended, "our music needed to be accepted worldwide. I can't tell you how much our dismal experience in Europe that summer affected me. It was the catalyst I needed to formulate a new direction for our next record. Bon Jovi may have been touring on a greatest hits record, but they were huge in Europe, much bigger than we ever hoped to be. This band had never taken off there, because we never worked the continent like we should have. Eddie and I needed to write another album then extensively tour there afterwards. But, to appeal to a worldwide audience, I strongly believed we needed to somewhat change our
music. With Eddie playing guitar, we'd always sound like Van Halen, so I wasn't going to concoct something for the band to do that would con the audience. Hagar wanted to travel the world with Eddie and Alex in
hopes they would draw inspiration from the different types of music they were exposed to. He talked at length with Alex about changing in his drum beat in order to put a whole new spin on Eddie's music. "I wanted all of us to go to dance clubs worldwide," he declared. "I wanted to go to London, Paris, Rome, New York, San Francisco and Los Angeles to listen to the grooves coming out of the dance clubs there. Listen, I hate dance music, but I thought Alex would hear something in the grooves, then come up with a hip
new beat for the next album. I wanted all of us to analyze the sound, turn it into a rock beat and make a couple of songs that were totally augmented versions of some twisted electronic dance music. I was positive
that's where the future in rock was. Rock and roll music is old fashioned in a sense. I wanted to capture a feeling from Van Halen that no one had ever heard before. Eddie has so many musical dimensions to him that's what always separated him from the pack. His versatility is amazing. That's why everyone went wow, when he played keyboards on 'Jump.' That's why I wanted Alex to hear a beat instead of playing the same old thing he'd been doing from this band's beginning. When Peter Gabriel came out with 'Shock the Monkey,' that was a brand new beat. When the Police heard Bob Marley's reggae music, they incorporated that sound into their own music and rode it all the way to the top. I was hoping these guys would get inspired by my
idea. Eddie was interested, but Al goes, "Ah man, it's all one, two, three, four." He just didn't get it. Van Halen was the hottest rock and roll band in the '80s. Hagar wanted them to be the coolest group of the '90s.
In order to accomplish that, a musical spark was needed from an outside source that would enable them to explore that unknown territory. "Eddie and I were like Robert Plant and Jimmy Page," he said proudly. "We
could take our songs , transcend the normal parameters of music, and go off in any direction we chose. This band would always be Van Halen, no matter what we did, because of Eddie's guitar playing. Now I'll admit
this idea could have gone either way. It could have been great or really sucked. We could have tried it and said, "This ain't in our hearts. This is not Van Halen. "That would have been fine with me, because we tried.
When the Beatles wrote "Sgt. Pepper's, "they took acid and changed their musical style completely. I was
hoping that we could listen to music created under a different environment and draw something out of that.
Van Halen had been a giant influence on every band that came up through the '80s. Now I wanted us to be
defined by great rock and roll songs, not as an inspiration to other musicians and groups. Hagar began
thinking about redefining Van Halen's sound as far back as the "Live: Right Here, Right Now" tour. An
experience at a Miami disco club opened the singer's eyes to a brand new world of sound he didn't know
existed. The music was so powerful, he even suggested the band rent a house in the desert, overdose on
mushrooms, and trip out for three or four days after the tour ended. He figured the experience would change
everyone's lives, and they could go directly into the studio and make a record. Pete Townshend, Eric Clapton
and John Lennon had written some of their greatest songs when they were under the influence. Hagar says he
doesn't endorse the unorthodox method to create music. He just thought it was an option worth exploring,
since he felt the band's music was tired and needed to be reformulated. Ed Leffler's death quashed those
ambitious plans. Instead, the songwriter would use his divorce as the vehicle to modify his lyrical approach to
writing more grown-up songs. "Before we started writing the next record," pictured the Red Rocker, "I was
hoping the brothers would understand my desire to shake things up musically. I was hoping Alex would hear
something in the sound of dance music that I don't understand. I really tried to get him interested in the
direction I was wanting to take. Imagine Eddie's playing guitar to this great new beat, and I'm singing lyrics
that aren't corny. The position I was coming from was this. "Edward, you are one of the greatest rock and
roll musicians ever from the beginning of time. I want to be that good of a lyricist. You and I together will
write the greatest rock and roll songs ever. "I'm telling you, we would have accomplished something
extraordinary. Believe it or not, U2 ended up doing the exact same thing I wanted to do on their 1997 album.
If all this shit hadn't gone down between us, we would have beaten them to the punch It really was
unfortunate.

And?

Like they wisely decided with Roth, they didn't do it.

And your point? Two musical ideas shot down by the VH brothers... or you just looking for another chance to bash Sammy? (Thank God)

This feels like a free post to me! :D

Has there ever been any real confirmation from Sammy about whether that supposed unpublished book is for real or not?

This feels like a free post to me! :D

I've been out of the loop for the bit but what is this "free post" stuff? :confused:

So Van Halen didn't let Sam fuck the sound of the band up, like they wouldn't let Dave. So what's the news here?

So Van Halen didn't let Sam fuck the sound of the band up, like they wouldn't let Dave. So what's the news here?

No news, Fanatic's simply trying to stir the pot by illustrating Sammy's various evil plots to destroy the mighty Van Halen.

Too bad it's really Ed who's to blame (if indeed somebody needs to be blamed) for the sound change of the band in the mid-eighties.

Bullshit. Ed IS Van Halen, the others factor in, but he is the lynchpin in the musical equation, and if Sam and Mike can write better tunes, they have yet to show it.

First off, I would think any talented drummer would be insulted by this suggestion.

Secondly, if this is real, when did it happen? The time around Humans Being, or before the renuion tour? Maybe Dave and Sam were listening to, too much Dance music on their tour together... :eek: To me this shows how little creativity Sam has as an artist. He's just trying to jump on a mainstream, lets sell more albums, music compromise, and that's too bad.

I think there's a huge difference in the police taking some Bob Marley/ Reggae sounds vs just trying to cop a mainstream popular sound, like dance music.

Bullshit. Ed IS Van Halen, the others factor in, but he is the lynchpin in the musical equation, and if Sam and Mike can write better tunes, they have yet to show it.

i don't like that quote about mikey

mike stated somewhere the tunes where he was actively involved in, and i remember him mentioning romeo delight and why can't this be love among others

I sorta agree with Sammy in that the band needed a new direction, but I think they took one with "Balance." It wasn't what he wanted, but I think the darker turn was a good thing. If they did another party rock album, they would have looked like they were stuck in the past. Eddie knew this, and he was the one who wrote the riffs and the controlled, bluesy solos that were still Eddie yet a different side of him. I think the band always moved forward up until the BOBW tracks a few years ago. "Learning to See" was the only progressive one while the other two were just fun rock songs. Nothing wrong with that, because they thought they were starting over again.

Bullshit. Ed IS Van Halen, the others factor in, but he is the lynchpin in the musical equation, and if Sam and Mike can write better tunes, they have yet to show it.

Well I don't believe Ed can do it by himself, VH 3 is evidence, but without Ed's songwriting and musicianship, there is no VH.

not crazy about the vox on III. the lack of al's kick drums, mike's background vox, etc, i enjoyed the music of it.

the production stunk.

could have been a lot better

some of those tunes are excellent live

Agreed. He is the source of the genius. How many VH songs has Mike written? Sam hasnt presented music to the boys. Hes not that dumb. VH kinda starts and finishes with Ed, no? Thats really why we are all hanging out and waiting, its to see what ED does.

Well so goes Ed, so goes VH obviously.

yes ed is vh

but you act like mikey is a fuckin mooch bro

mike pretty much laid the foundation for about a dozen songs or so. ed has always had creative control of the band, mikey has done a lot considering what he isn't allowed to do

mike loves to perform for the fans, he loves the fans. he appreciates the fans. he shouldn't be bagged on for it

Well I don't believe Ed can do it by himself, VH 3 is evidence, but without Ed's songwriting and musicianship, there is no VH.

VH3 sucked MAN!!! FUCKIN A!! It sucked so bad I made a little vomit in my mouth.

yes ed is vh

but you act like mikey is a fuckin mooch bro

mike pretty much laid the foundation for about a dozen songs or so. ed has always had creative control of the band, mikey has done a lot considering what he isn't allowed to do

mike loves to perform for the fans, he loves the fans. he appreciates the fans. he shouldn't be bagged on for it
mike also loves being taken for walks and playing catch.mike will make giggley sounds when you press his belly.mike is nice.

Mike did not play bass on VH3, thats why it sucked.

pfloyd, always tryin to fit 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag

VH3 sucked because it wasn't good.

However the tour was good.

pfloyd, always tryin to fit 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag

:funny:

I like that phrase.

Yes, VH 3 sucked 'cause it wasn't good.

:p

VH3 sucked because it wasn't good.

However the tour was good.

Mike played on the 3 tour, thats why it was good.

Once I barfed in the toilet, when I looked into the bowl I saw the cover of VH3.

It did give me a new appreciation for cannonballs and circus freaks.

No, wait, it didn't.

You barfed a fat man and a cannonball?

pfloyd, always tryin to fit 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound bag
Hey, I was just makin a joke, not slaggin your post at all. BUT, mike is a nice , genuine guy and VH needs him for vocals.Otherwise, the cat has had it real good for 20 plus years.The first 4 albums, he got a quarter split.

VH3 sucked because it wasn't good.

However the tour was good.

agreed

You barfed a fat man and a cannonball?

No man, try to follow along. The vomit in the bowl was a exact photo copy of the CD cover.

Yes a fat man and a cannonball.

Yes the vomit made a photo of a fat man and a cannonball. I should have taken a picture of it, that pic alone would have gotten me a backstage ALL ACCESS PASS. I could have collected my refund for VH3 in person at that point.

I sorta agree with Sammy in that the band needed a new direction, but I think they took one with "Balance." It wasn't what he wanted, but I think the darker turn was a good thing. If they did another party rock album, they would have looked like they were stuck in the past. Eddie knew this, and he was the one who wrote the riffs and the controlled, bluesy solos that were still Eddie yet a different side of him. I think the band always moved forward up until the BOBW tracks a few years ago. "Learning to See" was the only progressive one while the other two were just fun rock songs. Nothing wrong with that, because they thought they were starting over again.

Taking a new direction just to cash out is horseshit - for inspiration? Why not? But dance music - even though this is old news - Sam and Dave are both fucked in the head in that respect. To me Balance is VAN HALEN's last album. A phenomenal album with great songwriting. I don't sit here and look at Balance as a conscious change in direction, but just where the band/Eddie was at that time in their lives. But to sit here and say "if they did another party rock album" is gay. It seems like no matter what Van Halen does - even when Balance came out "is there anything new under the Van Halen sun?", shit like that - the critics are always going to piss and moan about Van Halen. Darker? Some of the songs, sure - but look at Fair Warning - altogether Van Halen's darkest album - but there's some major "partyin" tunes - if you must - on there as well. FUCK had Right Now, Judgment Day, Pleasure Dome - I wouldn't exactly classify those as "Party Rock", just like I wouldn't classify some songs off of all VH's albums that way.

There was a fuckface that was pissin and moanin in a thread a few weeks ago about how "they may not be the best songwriters....blah blah" well fuck -in my opinion Eddie & Van Halen sure as fuck are. Guitar prowess aside, Van Halen wouldn't have had the longevity or success they did without Eddie's songwriting prowess.

And?

Like they wisely decided with Roth, they didn't do it.

Exactly my point. You're so quick to defend Hagar Paw.

So Van Halen didn't let Sam fuck the sound of the band up, like they wouldn't let Dave. So what's the news here?

No news. Just making a point.

No news, Fanatic's simply trying to stir the pot by illustrating Sammy's various evil plots to destroy the mighty Van Halen.


Wrong dude.

Let's cultivate our friendship like a chia pet. Shall we?

I sorta agree with Sammy in that the band needed a new direction, but I think they took one with "Balance." It wasn't what he wanted, but I think the darker turn was a good thing.

Forgive me if I'm wrong but "darker turn?"

Wasn't "Balance" the one that had maybe TWO of their absolute gayest songs to date? Well, besides "When It's Love," "Feels So Good, "Love Comes Walking In" and "Dreams." lmao

Meaning "I Cannot Stop Loving You" and that horrid piano ballad, "It's Not Enough" that's on the Video Hits Volume I DVD. Now, that is your definition of "Dark?" :wtf: I only heard "Balance" once on it's entirety and it was gawwwd awful. If memory serves me correctly, it also included "Wham Bam, Amsterdam" which I've heard on the radio before and even Edward said it blew monkey chunks. Plus it had that dumb "Big Fat Money" song and that one song that everyone makes fun of the lyrics? "Grow a beard, shave it off, Give me a fix and make it Quick before I get Sick" or something like that and equally as dumb? Need I say more? And that's supposedly "Dark?" lmao

I don't get it? :confused:

... there was that groovy, dance beat/flamenco/world music feel on Once. Was that Eddie's response to Sam saying, "Look, we tried it and it was weak."

"Have you really ever tried dance music... Once.. it really, really sucks."

Yeah U2 tried it and came up with one of the hardest albums to get into for me, POP. But then of course U2 got back on track with what worked for their music. Surely, Sammy wasn't looking to make an entire album of tracks based on dance beats. He was probably looking for that one track that made audience and critics turn there heads a la Discotheque and then have an album of the party rock songs. It is all about exploration and saying this worked or that sucked, and I feel every band including Van Halen has the right to do that... at least, Once.

not crazy about the vox on III. the lack of al's kick drums, mike's background vox, etc, i enjoyed the music of it.

the production stunk.

could have been a lot better

some of those tunes are excellent live

YES!! I've been listening to III lately, and thinking it probably would have made quite the cool "instrumental" record that a few of you dudes have suggested. The chord structures and arrangements are AMAZING-- It's just the screwed up vocal style and lyrics that dragged it into the mud (oh, and poor production, as well). I don't even mean to bash Gary-- He's very talented in his own right-- but it just didn't work for VH, and I'm a little surprised that EVH didn't have the forsight to see that...

I dig "3"

Van Halen adding a bit of electronic music to their sound....whatever, I am sure the thought of keyboards in VH freaked some folks out.

I'm really open to anything.

One I want. Without You. From Afar. Josephina.....all great songs.

Ballot or the Bullet, HMSI, DWD, Fire in the Hole, Primary, pretty much crap.

Exactly my point. You're so quick to defend Hagar Paw.

You're so quick to judge but slow to understand. :D

I did not defend Hagar but quite the contrary, I agreed that it was wise of Van Halen NOT to listen to Hagar's suggestion to change styles to some goofy dance shit much like they chose not to with Dave (Thank God) and the Chemical Brothers.

I apologize if I was not clear enough for you to follow along.:)

Once I barfed in the toilet, when I looked into the bowl I saw the cover of VH3.

:funny:

I think I have some more members for my new club!

Shari

Honestly, what is the big deal for either Dave or Sam to bring new ideas to the table? I believe Edward himself said in an interview that funk is what gets him going. You may not hear it in his music but he enjoys listening to it. I believe someone here even had it in their signature.

There are lots of places to get inspiration. It doesn't mean it's going to be a copy of that particular music. Who would have thought that monks chanting would be a cool sound for a VH song? I think Seventh Seal sounds pretty good. Dave loved barbershop quartets which account for the outstanding harmonies we've come to love. I don't get why someone would take the word "inspiration" and think they would start making Dancing Queen type songs. It's possible but highly unlikely.

Mike did not play bass on VH3, thats why it sucked.


I thought it was Mike didn't play bass on the three new tunes for BOBW. He said when he came in the music was already done so he just added some vocals. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he did play bass on III. :confused:

You're so quick to judge but slow to understand. :D

I did not defend Hagar but quite the contrary, I agreed that it was wise of Van Halen NOT to listen to Hagar's suggestion to change styles to some goofy dance shit much like they chose not to with Dave (Thank God) and the Chemical Brothers.

I apologize if I was not clear enough for you to follow along.:)

Sorry for hitting a nerve dude. Please don't deny it. I can tell by the words you used in your response.

I'm the original poster so it only makes sense that you and everyone else should be following along with me.

It's all good dude.

Have a great weekend.

:thumb:

Sorry for hitting a nerve dude. Please don't deny it. I can tell by the words you used in your response.

I'm the original poster so it only makes sense that you and everyone else should be following along with me.

It's all good dude.

Have a great weekend.

:thumb:

LOL.....You're a little off on WHO'S nerve was hit.


But you know that already. :)

I thought it was Mike didn't play bass on the three new tunes for BOBW. He said when he came in the music was already done so he just added some vocals. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure he did play bass on III. :confused:

Yeah, he didn't play on those, either. He was only used for vocals on a few tracks on III, which is another reason it sucked canal water.

Shari

One of the BIG reasons Bon Jovi was so huge overseas was because they had a "Sex Symbol" for a lead singer.
Sammy wasn't one of those types, ala: Jon Bon Jovi, N-Sync, Backside Boys.
Neither was Dave for that matter even though he played the part.

I also don't think that the "HOT" rock bands at that time, Pearl Jam and Nirvana were very big over in Europe either.

Bon Jovi went "pop", Sammy wanted to make VH "pop". Sure they did get a bit lighter on some songs with Sam, but they were still more rockin' than Bon Jovi. Especially in their live shows.

To sum it all up in a few words.

"VAN HALEN IS VAN HALEN, you can't change what made them great.
Madonna may reinvent herself every few years, but her music is still basically the same. Same goes for VH, you can cut your hair short, grow a goatee, change the color of your guitars, but its still the same Van Halen music.

DON'T FUCK WITH IT!

LOL.....You're a little off on WHO'S nerve was hit.


But you know that already. :)

LOL!

Always have to get the last word huh?

How can my nerve have been hit when YOU answered me (orginial post)

Have a nice weekend again.

Such anger.

LOL!

Always have to get the last word huh?

How can my nerve have been hit when YOU answered me (orginial post)

Have a nice weekend again.

Such anger.

So you hit the nerve of everyone who responded in this thread ? :wtf: Ok dude....

No worries here, I'm just watching this predictable thread unfold.


Still waiting for you to explain to me how I "quickly defended Hagar" :sssh: LOL

I don't see what's wrong with the suggestion about listening to different types of music, to see if it could positively influence the band. That's all Sammy is suggesting. He even clarified himself by saying

"We could have tried it and said, 'This ain't in our hearts. This is not Van Halen.' That would have been fine with me, because we tried."

If someone can give me a sensible reply as to what's wrong with this, I'd like to hear it.

So you hit the nerve of everyone who responded in this thread ? :wtf: Ok dude....

No worries here, I'm just watching this predictable thread unfold.


Still waiting for you to explain to me how I "quickly defended Hagar" :sssh: LOL

Huh? What does "everyone" have to with our convo?

You always defend Hagar. Please.

Again, all's cool. I have meetings this afternoon so I have no time to argue your logic. Especially since when you respond you never answer/address the issue which led to our multiple posts in the first place.

I'll talk to you again soon I'm sure.

Is Chicago going to get wet snow this weekend like we are scheduled to get here? Fuck, I guess baseball practice will be cancelled tomorrow.

Are you going to buy the King Kong DVD when it comes out on the 28th?

If 7-11 is open 24/7 why do they have locks on the doors?

Back in the late 70's a ton of artists began to change their sound a bit to incorporate disco rhythms. Many of them were quite succesful at the time, but few had any lasting impact. In fact, many of those artists who enjoyed "psuedo disco" hits, seem slightly embarassed today. Thinking of KISS-"I Was Made For Loving You", Rod Stewart "Do Ya Think I'm Sexy", Diana Ross "Love Hangover", Paul McCartney "Goodnight Tonight", Elton John's "Victim of Love" album with it's 8 minute disco take on "Johnny B Goode". The only one I can think of that made a song which still holds up is the Stones with "Miss You". The rest range from downright embarassing to mostly forgetable.

Hopping on the latest dance movement--I'm glad Van Halen never made that particular mistake.

Huh? What does "everyone" have to with our convo?

You always defend Hagar. Please.

Again, all's cool. I have meetings this afternoon so I have no time to argue your logic. Especially since when you respond you never answer/address the issue which led to our multiple posts in the first place.




LOL, please is right. You posted this thread to start a Hagar bash, I answered your post by defending the brothers for NOT listening to Hagar's suggestion to switch it up, but somehow in your twisted logic, I'm "defending Hagar like I always do" :sleep:

You are projecting everything YOU are doing on me. You have yet to answer my question, but you say that I didn't answer yours :wtf: What question did you ask?

Strange to say the least.

LOL, please is right. You posted this thread to start a Hagar bash, I answered your post by defending the brothers for NOT listening to Hagar's suggestion to switch it up, but somehow in your twisted logic, I'm "defending Hagar like I always do" :sleep:

You are projecting everything YOU are doing on me. You have yet to answer my question, but you say that I didn't answer yours :wtf: What question did you ask?

Strange to say the least.

You must be a lawyer, politician, or car salesman.

There's no right or wrong here, obviously. it's all opinion based on the information we have.
Personally, one of the great aspects of being in a band with an EVH or J.Lennon, or Hendrix is that the talent of these guys is so immense that it gives you the ability and confidence to explore almost any kind of music and have a reasonable shot at coming up with something fulfilling.
To push these guys in new directions isnt a sin, it's a virtue.Who knows what will come out the other end.,

Did Sammy just want to make more money?i cant tell from those quotes, but the thought did occur to me. But even if he did, so what? It's his career..they also do it to make money, like we do at our jobs.
Like DLR with chemical bros. i dont think it can ever hurt to try and see if inspirado comes a-calling.

This is one of ht e reasons i love VH3. It's a difrferent side of Ed. When a musician of his caliber comes along maybe once or twice in all of recorded time, its natural to want to hear their take on everything musical. I know I do. Some of it may suck, some may be brilliant, but im open to it.To me, that is what a fan of a musician hopes for-That artists takes on different styles.
Now it happens to also be that EVH writes a natural style of music that is intoxicating..addictive, incredible..and that creates the big rub and debate, as well as the trap.And there are valid arguments on all sides of the coin, its complexity matches that of the artist himself.

On balance, not the album but the outcome, any direction Ed chooses is fine because it means we fans are getting music. But here's the real problem. Ed eventually just went into hibernation instead of being prolific with his releases.
Was all the change and all the pressure from everyone the reason he went the other way? Or was it just all the personal stuff? Or was it a combo of everything? Probably a little of everything is my guess. Of course, there's always the reality that whatever it is inside the brain of an EVH or Mozart or Hendrix type that makes them so special is the same thing that makes it impossible for any of us to understand or relate to them.

But, since this is a VH message board, i think its great to have these arguments as long as we dont get into ridiculous personal attacks...it's irrelevent to go there because this is a subjective topic..there is no right or wrong, just opines.

Now, about all those Sammy comments that Ed is the VH sound and so on.... :p

I don't really see the problem with what Sam was suggesting..."lets listen to different stuff and see if it has an influence on us, if it works fine if it does not at least we know we tried something new" it's not like he said "we're doing a pop album and doing dance music from now on" he just wanted to look into different things..nothing wrong with branching out...Dave kinda had the same thing in mind but if I remember right from the Mike interview he threw a tape down and said lets do this stuff...not really giving anyone else a chance to explore the music like Sam wanted to..

if you take time to listen to MTM there are alot of different things going on...maybe that's what sam meant...

I see we have "Sammy Sucks Thread #154544151"

:rolleyes:

I see we have "Sammy Sucks Thread #154544151"

:rolleyes:

well it'll eventually morph into "Dave Vs. Sam" thread #9547854522141 before to long all we gotta do is say the words "Sam", "Dave" and "better" and it's off to the races..

Sam's chapter (if true) is identical to Dave's theory of "putting stamps in the passport." Live away from the comfort zone for a time and see what catches your fancy. It's a good theory and as someone already has pointed out, it's one rejected by EVH.

I think Ed's side of the story is his inspiration doesn't come from jungle adventures or European discos. It's as simple as that.

P.S. - Because I don't hate any of the band's former lead singers, my Van Halen catalogue includes 10 studio albums, a live double CD, two greatest hits packages and an EVH side project with a guest singer. Hatred limits you.

First off, I would think any talented drummer would be insulted by this suggestion.

Secondly, if this is real, when did it happen? The time around Humans Being, or before the renuion tour? Maybe Dave and Sam were listening to, too much Dance music on their tour together... :eek: To me this shows how little creativity Sam has as an artist. He's just trying to jump on a mainstream, lets sell more albums, music compromise, and that's too bad.

I think there's a huge difference in the police taking some Bob Marley/ Reggae sounds vs just trying to cop a mainstream popular sound, like dance music.

Its hard to judge. Either Sam wanted to sell-out or truly do something different.

There isn't a musician anywhere thats worth a shit that isn't trying to push boundries and cover new territory. The question isn't why was sammy wanting to try new things, the question should be why WASN'T EVH? The answer made evident with 3 is that EVH is lost when left to his own devices. He needs the direction of a producer and/or band members to keep him focused

to make van halen into an evolving musical band like a U2 i dont think was/is possible.again it all comes down to ego.

I may be wrong but Sam and Dave may not have been nuts for their suggestions. I think they could've taken ideas from dance grooves and Chemical Bros type music and done something different with it. They could have made a record that wasn't necessarily dance oriented like U2 did or Aerosmith tried with Just Push Play. VH could've put their spin with a new groovin' heavy sound.
Has anyone seen Chemical Bros or listened to them before? I am not saying it would have worked, but it could be a good gamble for VH with Sam or Dave fronting. I saw the Chemical Bros show in 2002. It was a show with a slew of different dj's. The sound I heard coming from them was very heavy. It reminded me of an industrial or techno sound. NIN or Nitzer Ebb came to mind.

Sammy was referring to what U2 did with jungle music. That was the name of it at the time. It was a drum and bass dance sound. David Bowie and others did alot with it around the time U2 did. Van Halen could've done some interesting drum and bass parts to compliment Ed's riffs. I could be wrong like I said. I have been before. I think it would have been easier between 95'-98' to have tried it with Sammy than bringing Dave back to try a new sound or a new sound like they did with a new singer when Gary joined. I believe in 96' or even in 00-02 when they tried with DLR a new sound with him may be cool, but could've missed the mark. Fans would likely want to see the classic VH sound and style we know. If they could do more than one album with Dave it would be interesting. If it were to work at all Dave or Sammy would have to be fronting VH to do it.

Mike played on the 3 tour, thats why it was good.

Once I barfed in the toilet, when I looked into the bowl I saw the cover of VH3.

LMAO.

This isn't directed at OLO, but Mike is such an integral part of VH, it's not even funny. His backround vox alone...without them, VH would not have been nearly as good...looking forward to seeing his singing this summer. :thumb:

I may be wrong but Sam and Dave may not have been nuts for their suggestions.

I agree. Sammy & Dave were simply throwing out ideas, IMO. That's what bands do together, and the idea is either used or it isn't. Big deal. This thread was used to bash Sammy.

This thread was used to bash Sammy.

Yeah....when you look at the originator of the thread, it wasn't hard to tell what the purpose was.

Yeah....when you look at the originator of the thread, it wasn't hard to tell what the purpose was.

I mentioned several times that was I was just making a point it wasn't bashing. You just can't read and comprehend too well.

http://mikethepod.com/BIUL_VanHalen.jpg

I mentioned several times that was I was just making a point it wasn't bashing. You just can't read and comprehend too well.

Enough. <click>

Enough. <click>

Why, that sounded like the click of an ignore tab. :)

Enough. <click>

Ditto. Child.

Why, that sounded like the click of an ignore tab. :)

Free post. :)

Free post. :)


I'm glad to see I'm not on your ignore list.

That can only mean we're still BFF. :cool:

I'm glad to see I'm not on your ignore list.

That can only mean we're still BFF. :cool:

As I mentioned earlier, I'd like to cultivate our friendship like a chia pet.