Sorry to the mods...as I know how these threads usually end up. But I hadn't seen this posted and thought it deserved some "discussion".


In the "Tune Ups" section of the latest Guitar World , there's a small article on Chickenfoot where Sam states that Chickenfoot's new stuff could rival Zep !:wtf:

"When people hear the music, it's Led Zeppelin. I know that's a bold statement, but it's as good as that."


When asked to draw a comparison to Van Halen, The Red Rocker laughs and says, "It's 10 times Van Halen, because it's functional. We all like each other."


The article also mentions that the initials of Chickenfoots members, oddly enough, are H.S.A.S.


There's also a not-so-flattering pic of Sam and Satch on stage.:eek:
Sam's really starting to look just like Jerry Garcia !:D

I really hope the rumors are true and a new Van Halen disc is in the works....it could make for some interesting competition. Ed's at his best when he feels he's got something to prove , as are most of us, I assume.

Wow we will see.

And here we go.....


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Sorry to the mods...as I know how these threads usually end up. But I hadn't seen this posted and thought it deserved some "discussion".


In the "Tune Ups" section of the latest Guitar World , there's a small article on Chickenfoot where Sam states that Chickenfoot's new stuff could rival Zep !:wtf:

"When people hear the music, it's Led Zeppelin. I know that's a bold statement, but it's as good as that."


When asked to draw a comparison to Van Halen, The Red Rocker laughs and says, "It's 10 times Van Halen, because it's functional. We all like each other."


The article also mentions that the initials of Chickenfoots members, oddly enough, are H.S.A.S.


There's also a not-so-flattering pic of Sam and Satch on stage.:eek:
Sam's really starting to look just like Jerry Garcia !:D

I really hope the rumors are true and a new Van Halen disc is in the works....it could make for some interesting competition. Ed's at his best when he feels he's got something to prove , as are most of us, I assume.




If they actually do release an album it WILL be 10X better than VH...because VH as we know it today...has not put out an album.

Rivaling Zep? 1. I am 90% sure he said that as a joke... knowing who is in the band with him...they probably don't agree.

BRING IT ON SAMMY! :headbang:

"When people hear the music, it's Led Zeppelin. I know that's a bold statement, but it's as good as that."

This is like DLR saying "judge us harshly". Only it's even more bold because he's soliciting a direct comparison. He's really setting himself up here. What can live up to that hype?

When asked to draw a comparison to Van Halen, The Red Rocker laughs and says, "It's 10 times Van Halen, because it's functional. We all like each other."

Since he put it in the context of getting along with each other, there's not really anything controversial with that statement. Unless they actually don't like each other, who can argue with it?

Rivaling Zep? 1. I am 90% sure he said that as a joke... knowing who is in the band with him...they probably don't agree.




Yeah....Satch didn't seem to go THAT far.

For his part, Joe Satriani is jazzed about the project but is slightly less hyperbolic than Mas Tequila Man Sam. "We're having a very fun time," says Satch.


I just can't get over the pic they used.....it's pretty brutal if you ask me. I wish I had a working scanner.:brickwall

I'll try to get it up......the pic that is.....:)

Best I can do......




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http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/4523/satchsammyfi1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Yeah he looks like shit. I think this is over-rated.

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Sorry to the mods...as I know how these threads usually end up. But I hadn't seen this posted and thought it deserved some "discussion"



You know better, Lode.
;)

You know better, Lode.
;)

LOL, note the title context of his thread. He knew better than better. :cool:

You also need to give him props for not being afraid to poke the tiger, you know the tiger will get mad but you do it anyway.


Good for you Lode. ;)

C'mon guys , you all know me better than that....

I don't start a lot of threads and rarely even post in ones like this either.

Granted, I thought the title would be an attention grabber, but that's as far as it went.:smokin:


I take no joy, as a thread starter, that I know this puppy will have a short life-span, but it is what it is .:thumb:

I just liken it to you sitting in a one man inflatable raft, going over Niagara Falls. Again, you know how it's gonna end, but you're doing it anyway. :p












Just giving you shit is all. :thumb:

Sams a media guy he knows how to get attention... I am looking forward to the cd but Led Zepp come on....... any press is good press

Personally I and many others here are excited about the prospects of this "Chickenfoot" or "H.S.A.S." but sometimes our Sammy gets a little, shall we say, carried away in the things he says in regards to his projects. I think it will be awesome whatever these four put together, but I also understand Sammy's history of the blowing things completely out of proportion.

I watched The Westerner (1940) with Gary Cooper the other night. There was a man named Chickenfoot at Judge Roy Beans Saloon and Hanging Lodge. :)

I'm sure I'll personally like it better than Zep as I'm not much of a fan (songs here and there), but I doubt it will live up the status of Zep. Sam says stuff like this all the time; he gets excited. I'm sure it will be good though.

LOL, of course it's not going to be Zeppelin. Nothing and nobody was, is, or ever will be Zeppelin except Zeppelin. :)

As far as CF being 10x better than VH....that ain't saying much these days, since to wit and to date neither outfit has put out new product. I'm sure he meant it in the context of his following statement, that it's 'better' 'cause they get along, not necessarily 'cause it's superior musically than VH. I'm equally as sure that statement will be taken out of context by those who asinine purposes it serves. :)

I think they should call this new band Hyperbole. ;)

I think they should call this new band Hyperbole. ;)

:funny:

H.S.A.S Dos :smokin:

Sam seems to like the Mexican vibe.

If it's as good as HSAS it'll be already really awesome.

Oh, let's hope it's better than HSAS. HSAS sounds really dated these days.

Oh, let's hope it's better than HSAS. HSAS sounds really dated these days.

I'm not really much into Sam solo, especially since he started his beach bum routine, but this project has definitely piqued my interest. It'll be nice to hear some solid hard rock again, especially with those high harmonies.

I'm curious to see what Sam offers up lyrically on this one. He always seemed to save his good stuff for his solo offerings and brought the corny pussy/dope half-assed stuff to Van Halen.

I wonder if he ever thought that that was as deep as Van Halen fans wanted him to go. I know there were some gems in VH, and some failings solo wise as well. But it feels to me like he mailed in quite a bit of his VH stuff.

In a way this stuff kind of reminds me of 11 years ago when Marching to Mars and III came out around the same time. Sammy was saying that if the Eddie/Gary stuff went over well and they sold what VH w/Sammy did with Balance that he'd "blow 'em both". I can see why Sammy haters reel when Sammy opens his mouth but ya gotta give him credit for delivering new material.

H.S.A.S Dos :smokin:

Sam seems to like the Mexican vibe.



I like it!


:headbang:

Come on two pages in and someone hasn't told Sammy to Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform?

In all seriousness, I'm not really expecting this venture to blow me away, but I'm sure it will be pretty cool. Looking forward to it! :thumb:

Oh for crap's sake, he's just talking about the relationship between band members, not the music.

Oh for crap's sake, he's just talking about the relationship between band members, not the music.

Thank You.

I think this is basically a cut and paste from that earlier interview where he mentioned that it was going to be better than LZ. Mike for his credit backtracked on Sammy's comments about a month ago. I agree it will be 10x relationship wise than 2004 VH. Hell any band is better than that. Alex needed to do the tour for money, Eddie went along with it because of Alex and Mike signed his rights away.

Looking forward to hearing it more because of Satch than Sammy. Want to see how he writes in a group format. Backgrounds are going to be bad outside of Mike. Satch sings in the key of B Quiet.

Oh for crap's sake, he's just talking about the relationship between band members, not the music.

Remember right before "5150" was released and Sammy said the album was better than any previous Van Halen and Sammy Hagar album combined?

VS, have to disagree with you on HSAS. If you listen to Animation/Valley of the Kings/Giza - that's as good as anything Van Hagar ever came up with.

The Neil Schon solos are out of this world, Sammy sings perfectly (this was right before 5150, when his voice was at its peak) and Michael Schrieve is one fine drummer.

VS, have to disagree with you on HSAS. If you listen to Animation/Valley of the Kings/Giza - that's as good as anything Van Hagar ever came up with.

The Neil Schon solos are out of this world, Sammy sings perfectly (this was right before 5150, when his voice was at its peak) and Michael Schrieve is one fine drummer.

LOL, then we'll agree to disagree. There is no way HSAS sounds better than Balance. Ed's solos blow Schon's clear outta the water, the mix and tone are far superior. Balance holds up over time still, doesn't sound dated at all, IMO, unlike 5150 or OU812. HSAS sounds like a Montrose/Journey hybrid cut on a seventies soundboard.

I will take Eddie Van Halen over Neal Schon any day of the week. Even when the dumb motherfucker's tracking porn scores.

That said, I don't expect CF to sound anything like HSAS. Not with Satriani and Anthony contributing.

Given the quality of the musicians involved, it probably will be pretty good. I'll probably dig a couple of the tunes. But I guarantee this goes absolutely no where. Nobody is going to be interested in this project. As for comparisons to Zep or VH, well, that's just silly.

So I take it they're gonna cover Van Hagar songs.

who fucking cares anymore? lol

just play the music

I'm all for this new music. great lineup. I'm also all for Sammy shutting his fucking mouth.

I was a little disappointed in HSAS too

VS, agreed EVH is superior to Neil Schon. Ed's the best in my book of course.

I'm just talking about specifically this the first side of the HSAS record, the Animation/Kings/Giza suite. Top of the Rock is also a very good song IMHO.

Do give it a second listen. It has a "Pleasure Dome" type of vibe, and you get Sammy talking about visiting the Pyramids in Egypt. Lyrically, he used to travel a bit farther than Cabo in those days... :D

Remember right before "5150" was released and Sammy said the album was better than any previous Van Halen and Sammy Hagar album combined?

and before Eddies solo he would say lets go over to my neighbors house and see what my best friend Eddie Van Halen has cookin?
Sam is a blow hard and a hypocrite so when Ed retracts or backpeddles on somethin remember he learned from sambo the lard

I'm all for this new music. great lineup. I'm also all for Sammy shutting his fucking mouth.

AMEN

VS, agreed EVH is superior to Neil Schon. Ed's the best in my book of course.

I'm just talking about specifically this the first side of the HSAS record, the Animation/Kings/Giza suite. Top of the Rock is also a very good song IMHO.

Do give it a second listen. It has a "Pleasure Dome" type of vibe, and you get Sammy talking about visiting the Pyramids in Egypt. Lyrically, he used to travel a bit farther than Cabo in those days... :D

Oh, I've listened to the LP plenty. I do like Top of the Rock. It's probably the best track on the album, IMO, and the cover of Whiter Shade of Pale.

I just listened to it a few months back, and it again came across to me as just dated, much like a lot of Sammy VOA-I Never Said Goodbye era kind of stuff. Weird, 'cause Templeman was basically producing VOA and 1984 at the same time, but the mix and tones were so frickin' different on those LPs. I don't find the tone on HSAS a lot different from his other solo stuff of the time period, and I'm never sure guitarists should produce their own albums, which I believe Schon did with HSAS, if I remember right.

Sam is a blow hard and a hypocrite so when Ed retracts or backpeddles on somethin remember he learned from sambo the lard

Yep. Eddie is all Sammy's fault. :p :rolleyes:

If Chickenfoot is Led Zeppelin, then VH3 must have been the Beatles.:rolleyes:

I'm sure they are a good band since they do have some talented musicians in it. But come on, it isn't even "original" Van Halen or Van Hagar for that matter.
Satch is very good but he is no Eddie when Eddie is right which he is these days.
We all know what Mike and Sam are and Chad is no Alex.

and before Eddies solo he would say lets go over to my neighbors house and see what my best friend Eddie Van Halen has cookin?
Sam is a blow hard and a hypocrite so when Ed retracts or backpeddles on somethin remember he learned from sambo the lard

How is that bad on Sam for saying that?

You're a bitter old man. End of Story. End of fucking list.

It is going to be average.

Anything new VH puts out is going to be average. The creative boat set sail long ago and I don't think it is ever docking for any of them again.

Not a very flattering picture to say the least.

I think this will be really good. The guitar will be smokin' and sound amazing, Sammy Im sure will sound great and be really into it, Mike, too. I wonder if theyll have a track or two that will be Van Halenesque, like a Hot For Teacher boogie or something. Looking forward to it :thumb:

It is going to be average.

Anything new VH puts out is going to be average. The creative boat set sail long ago and I don't think it is ever docking for any of them again.

Not a very flattering picture to say the least.

Yeah but the problem with that statement is that the creative boat for Satch HAS NOT sailed yet. :headbang: And I still don't believe it has with Sammy either.

It is going to be average.

Anything new VH puts out is going to be average. The creative boat set sail long ago and I don't think it is ever docking for any of them again.

Not a very flattering picture to say the least.

How do you know this?

Have you heard any of the new stuff? Have you been part of the creative process if in fact they are creating?

Your post is pure negative tabloid speculation.

Alex, Ed and Dave could not be average if they tried.

who fucking cares anymore? lol

just play the music

Amen, amen.

IF Van Halen make it through the recording of a new cd, I think we're going to get some amazing music on the level (and above) of Me Wise Magic and Humans Being along with some rockin new instrumentals.

This cd will make up for VH3--even though I liked it, this one will be more widely accepted by VH fans.

I believe they still have a lot of magic left in them with Dave being back and Eddie being sober and healthy.

We shall see...
:thumb:

Alex, Ed and Dave could not be average if they tried.

Can't Get This Stuff No More = average

I will agree that I'm tired of hearing any of this. Just fucking play music.

Yeah he looks like shit. I think this is over-rated.

Overrated by who? Nobody has heard any of it.

And Sammy is just hyping it up, if there is one thing the guy knows its how to promote something.

I think this band sounds fucking sick and I cant wait for the album!

You can't fault Sam for overhyping or saying something that requires a foot in the mouth years later.

I remember Guitar For The Practicing Musician had their first interview with Sam, Eddie and Mike for 5150. They asked Sammy about Neil Schon and he was dogging him. Saying that when you play guitar with Neil, you never get to solo. He is like a faucet being on the whole time. Said Eddie was not like that and they are best buds, etc....

15 years or so later, Sammy is trashing Eddie and forming Planet US with Neil.

They all do it so its not Sammy. Every artist thinks their current project is better than anything else they have done.

They all do it so its not Sammy. Every artist thinks their current project is better than anything else they have done.

Ed's the king of it, remember his stupid tuba comment when Gary was in the band?

Yes all artists do it.

...Your post is pure negative tabloid speculation.

Alex, Ed and Dave could not be average if they tried.

OK, yet plexi your's is pure "positive" speculation. :D

Unless you honestly believe that "Can't Get This Stuff No More" and other less than spectacular tracks from these guys are of sterling quality.

Hagar spoke from enthusiasm for the "band", not as some proclamation of it's musical worth. So naturally you get a handful of Roth (or Zep) fans taking things out of context and stating "Uh...no Sam, I don't think so." or Pro-Redheads stating the opposite extreme. The truth is, this project will more than likely land firmly in the middle, being neither the second coming of Zeppelin, nor the return of some lame boogie outfit like Savoy Brown.

Guess what? There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. The problem stands from people getting their collective hopes up to absurd levels and then being disappointed with the net result. If the product is anything less than the imagined outcome, it only confirms what the doubters have said all along while providing disillusionment for those that sang the product's praises before even hearing the damned thing.

The best thing to do would be to state "Gee, I am anticipating purchasing and hearing this product..." rather than making bold proclamations as to it's merit or outright suckiness.

Yeah, like that's gonna happen around here.

Can't Get This Stuff No More = average

Damn, why do I feel guilty for LOVING this song.

The guitar intro in my opinion is sublime, there are moments where the vocal is as "Dave" as you could ever wish for, I know it somehow degenerates into Alainas Morisette or however you spell her name (Producer might have had something to do with that) but I admit to cranking this song in the headphones every couple of months or so and still getting a genuine kick out of hearing it.

The shuffle, loose groove in the outro kills me and really, when you compare this song to, say, any other band from the 70's, 80's or 90's who made a 'comeback!' I think it spanks their arses.

The solo is absolutely killer too.

Who needs therapy? I guess I really like this song

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^:p ^

Gosh! I am rather excited about this new Chickenfoot project. I absolutely can't wait to buy it and then listen to it.

:bounce:

Alex, Ed and Dave could not be average if they tried.

:funny:

Not accurate. Particularly live. I caught an Anaheim show last year that wasn't simply average, it was far below average.

:funny:

Not accurate. Particularly live. I caught an Anaheim show last year that wasn't simply average, it was far below average.

'Last year' being the key words there.

Squalen, you would have to admit that whatever happened between late last year and this year was like chalk and cheese. Ed obviously fell off the wagon and then got his shit together.....again.

All I know is that at least you got to see a show cause I know they aint coming downunder anytime soon. Between working my ass off and family and shit, there was no way I could have jumped on a plane. I was that close to booking Vegas pre Christmas, THANK GOD I did not after seeing the boots.

As Brad always says, "In Van Halen we trust"

Sam is promoting a new project.

I'm not a huge Zep fan and think there is a lot of stuff better than Zep but that may not be the case from others. Hell there are probably people that like Huey Lewis and the News better than Zep. Music is nothing more than opinion so to say there one group is better than another is simply an opinion. There is no fact when it come to what is good or great music.

I think the new VH tour was fun and I enjoyed the show very much but it wouldn't be that difficult to produce something 10X's better than a band playing nothing but 30 year old music.

Better than Zep? .. The only thing "Fat Sammy" has done is ride on Van Halens Back for many years! Trust me .. they will Bomb big time! 100%

'Last year' being the key words there.

Squalen, you would have to admit that whatever happened between late last year and this year was like chalk and cheese. Ed obviously fell off the wagon and then got his shit together.....again.

All I know is that at least you got to see a show cause I know they aint coming downunder anytime soon. Between working my ass off and family and shit, there was no way I could have jumped on a plane. I was that close to booking Vegas pre Christmas, THANK GOD I did not after seeing the boots.

As Brad always says, "In Van Halen we trust"

I would not trust Van Halen - or Brad's voucher for them - as far as I could throw them. :)

I wouldn't have to admit anything of the sort. I saw a pretty good show in San Diego last year - aside from Mike's replacement faking some of his parts.

Point was, you offered a blanket generalization that just wasn't accurate. CGTSNM, Dancin' in the Streets, Loss of Control, Strung Out, VH 3, It's About Time, a fair number of live shows over the years....Van Halen, like any band, can be average upon occasion, can be below average.

1998 HMSI encore, anyone? :barf:

Better than Zep? .. The only thing "Fat Sammy" has done is ride on Van Halens Back for many years! Trust me .. they will Bomb big time! 100%

Hi Ed.

Better than Zep? .. The only thing "Fat Sammy" has done is ride on Van Halens Back for many years! Trust me .. they will Bomb big time! 100%


Funny, yet back when you posted here as "guitar5150", you used to continually slag David Lee Roth as being gay. Now suddenly you are concerned with Sammy Hagar's waistline.

What brought about the big change, slugger? Finally find the man of your dreams in the restroom of a bus station or hockey match?

amazing. Sam didn't say the music would be 10x better he said it was better cause it was functional, van halen was functional at one time it's not now.

really, what the fuck is wrong with some of you people? do you have NO reading comprehension what so ever?

Funny, yet back when you posted here as "guitar5150", you used to continually slag David Lee Roth as being gay. Now suddenly you are concerned with Sammy Hagar's waistline.

What brought about the big change, slugger? Finally find the man of your dreams in the restroom of a bus station or hockey match?

What? You mean...he's a troll?

No, can't be.

Dude if people can't be pissing and moaning about Dave vs. Sam on here, they can't be happy. They'll just make a conversation into that.

It's pathetic.

amazing. Sam didn't say the music would be 10x better he said it was better cause it was functional, van halen was functional at one time it's not now.

really, what the fuck is wrong with some of you people? do you have NO reading comprehension what so ever?

Keep in mind that there were people(person) speculating upon the meaning of a "." on a piece of masking tape.

Sometimes people see things that aint there. ;)

Keep in mind that there were people(person) speculating upon the meaning of a "." on a piece of masking tape.

Sometimes people see things that aint there. ;)

Indeed. And sometimes people don't see things that are.

These Van Halen fans, are a funny lot. :p

These Van Halen fans, are a funny lot. :p

I think you have to be to still remain a fan these days.

I think you have to be to still remain a fan these days.

LOL. And ready to jump wagons at a moment's notice.

Keep in mind that there were people(person) speculating upon the meaning of a "." on a piece of masking tape.

Sometimes people see things that aint there. ;)

I see stupid people.:p

Wait a sec., does this mean that Sam is better than Dave? What do you all think?:devil:

I'm curious to see what Sam offers up lyrically on this one. He always seemed to save his good stuff for his solo offerings and brought the corny pussy/dope half-assed stuff to Van Halen.

I wonder if he ever thought that that was as deep as Van Halen fans wanted him to go. I know there were some gems in VH, and some failings solo wise as well. But it feels to me like he mailed in quite a bit of his VH stuff.

As did Ed, Andy Johns and a few others.....thus the "work ethic" comment. Oh shit, I shouldn't have said that......

As did Ed, Andy Johns and a few others.....thus the "work ethic" comment. Oh shit, I shouldn't have said that......

I think that is a valid point. Glen Ballard is another one who commented about Sammy's lack of work ethic while in VH. However post Balance, there is no comparison between him and Van Halen.

IMO, he is no different than many of us in our current or former jobs. If you are not excited about your profession, you sort of do enough work to not get fired. Sammy may have done that on occasion and from previous interviews by Eddie, Alex and even Mike, it sounded like it did occur. Of course Mike sings a different tune now but maybe he sees a different side of Sammy now as a solo artist. If he was lying back then for what I think was an Inside interview, then he was toeing the company line like Dave is doing now.

Anyway just some speculation. Regardless Sammy is putting out an album in October and at most there will be a DVD from VH. Wolfgang will probably be married before we get an album out of them.

Eddie's no angel, but post Balance Sammy didn't lose a hip, a singer, a wife, part of his tongue, his battle with alcoholism, or fight cancer either...

If he stays clean and healthy there is a good chance he will be prolific again.

Well it will be better then anything he did with VH Satch is way better then Ed anyday

I see stupid people.:p

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LOL, then we'll agree to disagree. There is no way HSAS sounds better than Balance. Ed's solos blow Schon's clear outta the water, the mix and tone are far superior. Balance holds up over time still, doesn't sound dated at all, IMO, unlike 5150 or OU812. HSAS sounds like a Montrose/Journey hybrid cut on a seventies soundboard.

I will take Eddie Van Halen over Neal Schon any day of the week. Even when the dumb motherfucker's tracking porn scores.

That said, I don't expect CF to sound anything like HSAS. Not with Satriani and Anthony contributing.
I thought the songs on HSAS were alright but the sound quality was mediocre at best. If memory serves me correctly, it was basically a live album without the audience track. I wish they would have done a proper album.

I never much liked Satriani but I'll be interested to see what they come up with. Sammy has never been the type to set low expectations. Nice to see he's confident but in the end the music will do the talking. Here's hoping the stuff is amazing but I'll believe it when I see it.

Well it will be better then anything he did with VH Satch is way better then Ed anyday

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Keep in mind that there were people(person) speculating upon the meaning of a "." on a piece of masking tape.

Sometimes people see things that aint there. ;)

it just gets old after awhile I guess....it's been years and years already and people still have these vendetas againts "the other guy".

it will be very, very interesting if Dave is ever allowed to talk again cause I'm gonna love to see what happens when he goes off.

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:D

it will be very, very interesting if Dave is ever allowed to talk again cause I'm gonna love to see what happens when he goes off.

You ain't kiddin'.

I'll wager more than a few chuckleheads are gonna be swallowing down the crow faster than a Roman whore in a vomitorium. :)

Chickenfoot/Chickenshit whatever its called, it ain't VAN HALEN.

Van Halen 4 ain't VAN HALEN either. :)

Van Halen has been MIA since 1995.

A rock is a rock. :smokin:

Man, I've always loved CGTSNM. Depending on when you ask me, I might even like it better than Me Wise Magic.

Both are great tunes, IMO.

Van Halen 4 ain't VAN HALEN either. :)

Van Halen has been MIA since 1995.

A rock is a rock. :smokin:

Nothing with Wolfgang Van Halen in it is Van Halen.

Nothing with Wolfgang Van Halen in it is Van Halen.

It's not really VH, it is what it is.

Could be worse, at least they haven't reached "Guns N Roses" territory yet...

It's not really VH, it is what it is.

Could be worse, at least they haven't reached "Guns N Roses" territory yet...

Man, that is setting the bar low, isn't it?

Man, that is setting the bar low, isn't it?

That's what I was thinking.

Man, that is setting the bar low, isn't it?

That's the final stop.

How inconcievable would it be for Dave to leave again? Not to hard to picture, right?

How about Al leaving? Little harder to imagine, but let's say he retires due to health reasons.

Could you see Ed, Wolfie, and two dudes out on the road as "Van Halen" ?

I can, you know you can too. ;)

Van Halen 4 ain't VAN HALEN either. :)

Van Halen has been MIA since 1995.

A rock is a rock. :smokin:


What about 1998, fool? That was inapplicable to you because that fat bass player didn't have a certain fat lead singer on board. :smokin:

What about 1998, fool? That was inapplicable to you because that fat bass player didn't have a certain fat lead singer on board. :smokin:

Either that, or because it sucked so bad that nobody wants to even acknowledge it happened.

Van Halen has been MIA since 1995.

25 Year Reunion with Mike and Sammy in 2020. Sit tight and wait alone or start procreating casual fans now?... what to do... what to do.

What about 1998, fool? That was inapplicable to you because that fat bass player didn't have a certain fat lead singer on board. :smokin:

Get the Army back and stop trolling Mezro, it's boring. :rolleyes:

What about 1998, fool? That was inapplicable to you because that fat bass player didn't have a certain fat lead singer on board. :smokin:

Please, man. If you are going to impersonate the real Mezro (someone that I happen to consider a friend), could you at least use a bit of the fellow's wit or tact? The real Mez would be far more elliptically inspiring in his commentary.

Barring that, you could at least attempt to include one of the fellow's self referential sign offs, like...

"Mezro...that Tom Green...I am green with envy at what his finger must have smelled like..."

Thank you. :thumb:

What about 1998, fool? That was inapplicable to you because that fat bass player didn't have a certain fat lead singer on board. :smokin:

Gary Cherone's mom thinks you're a dick for reminding her of that, and she made pierogi's for Mike to help him forget. Potato & American Cheese, fried up in butter.

Thread's going downhill fastttttttttttttttttt

It's already there...lasted longer than I thought it would though.

Nothing with Wolfgang Van Halen in it is Van Halen.

I am regretting this even as I type it.....(cringing) but in response to what you and VS have posted......

How come Dave can be replaced and it is Van Halen, but if Mike(y) is replaced it's not?

EDIT: IMO Dave/Mike/Ed/ Al = VH
Sam/Mike/Ed/Al = VH
Gary/Ed/Mike/Al = An unusual time in VH's history
Dave/Wolf/Ed/Al = VH

There are versions of VH I prefer over others, but they are all VH.


Glenn
(who can''t believe he is even getting involved....)

Glenn, I agree with you 100%.

But here we go.........................

Run for cover. LOL.

:)

I am regretting this even as I type it.....(cringing) but in response to what you and VS have posted......

How come Dave can be replaced and it is Van Halen, but if Mike(y) is replaced it's not?

EDIT: IMO Dave/Mike/Ed/ Al = VH
Sam/Mike/Ed/Al = VH
Gary/Ed/Mike/Al = An unusual time in VH's history
Dave/Wolf/Ed/Al = VH

There are versions of VH I prefer over others, but they are all VH.


Glenn
(who can''t believe he is even getting involved....)


You'll get a different answer on this one from some, but to me it's simple.

After Dave left, they hired a professional replacement and released new music and moved forward--to the point where they neglected the past. It wasn't the same form of VH as before, but it's own entity worthy of carrying the mantle.

This time around, they hired a 16 year old son of the guitarist to play songs 30 years old. It's absurd and impossible to take seriously. They're attempting to recreate something that one member was not only there for, he wasn't even born yet.


Without Mike, who had been a member much longer than DLR I might add, hire a real bass player and record a new album and really move forward. Then maybe you have something.

You'll get a different answer on this one from some, but to me it's simple.

After Dave left, they hired a professional replacement and released new music and moved forward--to the point where they neglected the past. It wasn't the same form of VH as before, but it's own entity worthy of carrying the mantle.

This time around, they hired a 16 year old son of the guitarist to play songs 30 years old. It's absurd and impossible to take seriously. They're attempting to recreate something that one member was not only there for, he wasn't even born yet.


Without Mike, who had been a member much longer than DLR I might add, hire a real bass player and record a new album and really move forward. Then maybe you have something.


Entitled to your opinion obviously....my take on your take is that I think "the band"'s performance live appears (from afar) to have been of a very high level and from what I have seen superior to their 2004 efforts. I guess this distills down to Ed but additionally I was impressed with Daves performance and it seems he is vastly superior to the 2002 DLR as well. Based on this alone I'd say that for me it's not absurd and impossible to take seriously.

To paraphrase what you are saying though, I would agree that for me the clincher on the validity of this chapter of VH history would be the production of new material. If they do that, then imo there is no question it is VH and the quality of that material whether it be the standard of CGTSNM or MWM or whether it is the standard of UFB,IAT will be the indicator of where this version of VH stands in it's history.

For me, its VH regardless.

Glenn

Entitled to your opinion obviously....my take on your take is that I think "the band"'s performance live appears (from afar) to have been of a very high level and from what I have seen superior to their 2004 efforts. I guess this distills down to Ed but additionally I was impressed with Daves performance and it seems he is vastly superior to the 2002 DLR as well. Based on this alone I'd say that for me it's not absurd and impossible to take seriously.

To paraphrase what you are saying though, I would agree that for me the clincher on the validity of this chapter of VH history would be the production of new material. If they do that, then imo there is no question it is VH and the quality of that material whether it be the standard of CGTSNM or MWM or whether it is the standard of UFB,IAT will be the indicator of where this version of VH stands in it's history.

For me, its VH regardless.

Glenn


Dave, Ed, and Al were all fine performance wise and they made the two shows I saw very enjoyable. Wolfie is the one that it's impossible to take seriously. As long as he's in the band, I don't think I can really think of them as a real band anymore.

Nothing with Wolfgang Van Halen in it is Van Halen.

Blasphemy. :)

What about 1998, fool? That was inapplicable to you because that fat bass player didn't have a certain fat lead singer on board. :smokin:

Ah, just to jog your apparently hit and miss memory, that '98 outing didn't have a certain original singer on board either. :)

Nor did I acknowledge that version of 'Van Halen' as VAN HALEN either.

Oh yeah...sticks and stones, alias. :cool:

And here we go with the old "Why is it okay for Sam to replace Dave, but not okay for Wolfgang to replace Mike?" logic.

Anybody who cannot see the inherent differences between the situations either doesn't possess enough knowledge to make an adequate conclusion or is stretching madly to try and convince themselves VH 4 is a legitimate Van Halen.

It's usually the latter, over the last year and half. More often than not by people who never saw Dave Halen live. :rolleyes:

I've always wanted to hear Satriani playing with a vocalist. I'm sure this will be pretty cool but it won't touch Van Hagar's best like 5150 and Balance.

Blasphemy. :)

Blasphemy you say bitch?

Sammy Roy Hagar ... you are a scab boy toy. A replacement bitch not fit to sit at the table of greatness. Claim jumper, tub thumper, dog humper, Forest Gumper who takes it in the dumper; you wandered into history and created blasphemy. Once your 15 "I Can�t Drive 55" minutes were up it should have been back to singing Huey Lewis covers at Medieval Times dressed as a grog wench.

I like Sam but he has got to be smoking the biggest fatest doobie on the planet if he thinks his side project is going to rival Halen or Zep.

I am regretting this even as I type it.....(cringing) but in response to what you and VS have posted......

How come Dave can be replaced and it is Van Halen, but if Mike(y) is replaced it's not?

EDIT: IMO Dave/Mike/Ed/ Al = VH
Sam/Mike/Ed/Al = VH
Gary/Ed/Mike/Al = An unusual time in VH's history
Dave/Wolf/Ed/Al = VH

There are versions of VH I prefer over others, but they are all VH.


Glenn
(who can''t believe he is even getting involved....)

Thanks for the newsflash Glenn.

For me, any version of VH that includes Ed's 17-year old kid is not VH. Just like any version without Dave isn't VH for a lot of people, even though the situations in no way rival each other.

Simple enough.

I like Sam but he has got to be smoking the biggest fatest doobie on the planet if he thinks his side project is going to rival Halen or Zep.

I don't think that's what Sam meant.

Thanks for the newsflash Glenn.

For me, any version of VH that includes Ed's 17-year old kid is not VH. Just like any version without Dave isn't VH for a lot of people, even though the situations in no way rival each other.

Simple enough.

If Ed and Al are together, it's VH. Sometimes, they're not top notch (III, 2004 tour) but when Ed's making the music and Al's backing it up, it's VH.

Ed's playing on the III tour was better than ANYTHING he did this tour. The album may not have been great, the band's playing was.

VH is whatever Ed says it is, and that's fine. But ANY version that has Wolfgang "playing" bass is not VH to me.

That's all I have ever said, you are free to support whatever you want.

The part that really puzzles me about Sammy is that he claims that he is so happy with his band The Wabos yet he is constantly trying to put together a supergroup?:confused:

If he is indeed so happy with his band why not try hard to write better songs with them?
I think he is intent on trying to recapture that being in a "mega-band" thing that he had with VH and that is what drives him crazy.

If he wants to play with Mike so bad then why doesn't he just replace Mona who is, well, just "Mona" and his band would allready be greatly improved.

He seems like he is trying to create Van Halen without Ed and Al every other year.

And about his so called lack of work ethic that he has been labeled with from Ed and Andy John amongst others. He tries too hard to make his lyrics rhyme on just about every verse. Listen to CVH and Van Hagar and try and find Dave going out of his way to rhyme.

Nothing against Sam and his VH years since I loved them, but come on Sam, move past it allready as you claim you have.

Is it REALLY difficult to see the difference?

Sammy Hagar's 1985 Resume:

-35+ years of age (countered to Ed's 30)
-A couple Platinum albums
-Important part of US rock movement (Montrose)
-Coming off the success of his biggest hit, "I Can't Drive 55"
-Not the best lyricist alone, but when teamed with Eddie, could do great things
-Several albums and multiple singles making him a well-known artist
-Worked with noteworthy musicians (Neal Schon, Ronnie Montrose)

Wolfgang Van Halen's 2007 Resume:

-Ed's son
-No recordings known to man
-16 years of age
-Uhh...made some nice music on the John?

Yeah, I don't see much of a defense towards why Wolfgang should be considered a member of the real Van Halen. And while we're at it, I could also explain why I don't think Gary Cherone deserves to be considered one of "Van Halen's" singers, even though I think he did alright.

Why not Wolf or Gary? Because the main three components of Ed, Al, and Mike were NOT a functioning trio anymore, primarily with King Edward dominating the bass parts (and I'm sure drum parts), production, and lyrics on VH3. Nor do Gary or Wolf have credentials worthy of being a part of Van Halen, if you ask me.

Van Halen stopped being a band in 1996. Simple as that. Since then, it's been the Flying Dutchmen's Three Tour Circus, all of which come up short of a true Van Halen atmosphere. Once Dave was out after the VMA's in '96, VH was done. No matter how much music they continue to put out, it's not Van Halen.

Unless of course you get four musicians, with solid resumes, get them in the studio, release an album, and tour at 25% each. Of course, under the name Van Halen, this can only be done with four of five musicians. David Lee Roth, Michael Anthony, Sammy Hagar, Alex Van Halen, and Edward Van Halen.

Is it REALLY difficult to see the difference?


Unless of course you get four musicians, with solid resumes, get them in the studio, release an album, and tour at 25% each. Of course, under the name Van Halen, this can only be done with four of five musicians. David Lee Roth, Michael Anthony, Sammy Hagar, Alex Van Halen, and Edward Van Halen.

Van Halen is:

David Lee Roth: lead vocals
Edward Van Halen: Guitar and background vocals
Alex Van Halen: Drums/Percussion
Sammy Hagar: Bass and background vocals?:D

At this point I don't care if Sammy has Jesus on tamborine. As long as everyone is happy and can live with the mistakes they have made so be it. To me Sammy is becoming a whore. But then again you could say the same about Eddie with the EVH brand so whatever. I just feel bad for Mike, he got the raw deal.

Wolfgang has contributed nothing to VH's history, except being Ed's kid. I have nothing against him personally at all, but he has no connection to the band's fans at all besides his birthright. Hell he wasn't even born for the first 13 years of the band's recording history.

You may not like Sam, but he didn't get into VH because of nepotism. He was a real musician, with a real career, who auditioned and joined the band. Whether you like him or not, he was a true part of VH, and he helped continue helping the VH machine roll along.

Same goes for Mike, who gave over 30 years to this band, and to equate Ed's kid to Mike because Ed says so is pathetic.

Wolfgang has contributed nothing to VH's history, except being Ed's kid. I have nothing against him personally at all, but he has no connection to the band's fans at all besides his birthright. Hell he wasn't even born for the first 13 years of the band's recording history.

You may not like Sam, but he didn't get into VH because of nepotism. He was a real musician, with a real career, who auditioned and joined the band. Whether you like him or not, he was a true part of VH, and he helped continue helping the VH machine roll along.

Same goes for Mike, who gave over 30 years to this band, and to equate Ed's kid to Mike because Ed says so is pathetic.

i think many are trying to be either too kind or too tough on the kid (though not you Brett on this one). This tour for many of us was pretty great and Wolfie, for me atleast, was a really nice surprise. But this can't be compared to a full reunion tour, or even Sammy led Halen or Gary led Halen. Those were actual working bands. VH to me has always been Ed, Mike, Al and whoever the hell was singing. This tour was a pleasant distraction from every day life, but "the band" died when they booted Gary and basically declared themselves a greatest hits band.

VH are no different then the dozens of bands you see out there touring with some original members and some new guys who weren't original members. Nothing wrong with going to see them but it's not the original band and you shouldn't try to convince yourself that they are. The only caveat for me would be this "version" of the band could gain some credibility with me (and I imagine many) if they recorded a whole new album. But I can't imagine this is gonna happen. We might get a new song or two, just enough to justify in their minds touring again. But 2 new songs doesn't make a "new band" just a new excuse to tour the world. Not that there is anything wrong with that if they're enjoying themselves and putting forth an effort on stage. We should just not confuse this with being 1984 or 1992 or even 1998. It ain't the same, that doesn't mean we can't enjoy it for what it is. Is just ain't the same.

i think many are trying to be either too kind or too tough on the kid (though not you Brett on this one). This tour for many of us was pretty great and Wolfie, for me atleast, was a really nice surprise. But this can't be compared to a full reunion tour, or even Sammy led Halen or Gary led Halen. Those were actual working bands. VH to me has always been Ed, Mike, Al and whoever the hell was singing. This tour was a pleasant distraction from every day life, but "the band" died when they booted Gary and basically declared themselves a greatest hits band.

VH are no different then the dozens of bands you see out there touring with some original members and some new guys who weren't original members. Nothing wrong with going to see them but it's not the original band and you shouldn't try to convince yourself that they are. The only caveat for me would be this "version" of the band could gain some credibility with me (and I imagine many) if they recorded a whole new album. But I can't imagine this is gonna happen. We might get a new song or two, just enough to justify in their minds touring again. But 2 new songs doesn't make a "new band" just a new excuse to tour the world. Not that there is anything wrong with that if they're enjoying themselves and putting forth an effort on stage. We should just not confuse this with being 1984 or 1992 or even 1998. It ain't the same, that doesn't mean we can't enjoy it for what it is. Is just ain't the same.


Damn. I had to double check that I didn't write this post. ;)

i think many are trying to be either too kind or too tough on the kid (though not you Brett on this one). This tour for many of us was pretty great and Wolfie, for me atleast, was a really nice surprise. But this can't be compared to a full reunion tour, or even Sammy led Halen or Gary led Halen. Those were actual working bands. VH to me has always been Ed, Mike, Al and whoever the hell was singing. This tour was a pleasant distraction from every day life, but "the band" died when they booted Gary and basically declared themselves a greatest hits band.

VH are no different then the dozens of bands you see out there touring with some original members and some new guys who weren't original members. Nothing wrong with going to see them but it's not the original band and you shouldn't try to convince yourself that they are. The only caveat for me would be this "version" of the band could gain some credibility with me (and I imagine many) if they recorded a whole new album. But I can't imagine this is gonna happen. We might get a new song or two, just enough to justify in their minds touring again. But 2 new songs doesn't make a "new band" just a new excuse to tour the world. Not that there is anything wrong with that if they're enjoying themselves and putting forth an effort on stage. We should just not confuse this with being 1984 or 1992 or even 1998. It ain't the same, that doesn't mean we can't enjoy it for what it is. Is just ain't the same.

well said my man :thumb:

Wolfgang has contributed nothing to VH's history, except being Ed's kid. I have nothing against him personally at all, but he has no connection to the band's fans at all besides his birthright. Hell he wasn't even born for the first 13 years of the band's recording history.

You may not like Sam, but he didn't get into VH because of nepotism. He was a real musician, with a real career, who auditioned and joined the band. Whether you like him or not, he was a true part of VH, and he helped continue helping the VH machine roll along.

Same goes for Mike, who gave over 30 years to this band, and to equate Ed's kid to Mike because Ed says so is pathetic.

Wolfgangs contribution to VH has been to hold up an end with regards to playing bass and backing vox for a pretty significant tour. It is what it is.

Mikes contribution was playing bass and fantastic backing vox for approx 11.5 albums and countless (couldnt be bothered) tours. Mike was a component of what made VH.

Accepting the current incarnation does not mean equating Wolfgangs contribution to Mikes. That is ridiculous.




Glenn

i think many are trying to be either too kind or too tough on the kid (though not you Brett on this one). This tour for many of us was pretty great and Wolfie, for me atleast, was a really nice surprise. But this can't be compared to a full reunion tour, or even Sammy led Halen or Gary led Halen. Those were actual working bands. VH to me has always been Ed, Mike, Al and whoever the hell was singing. This tour was a pleasant distraction from every day life, but "the band" died when they booted Gary and basically declared themselves a greatest hits band.

VH are no different then the dozens of bands you see out there touring with some original members and some new guys who weren't original members. Nothing wrong with going to see them but it's not the original band and you shouldn't try to convince yourself that they are. The only caveat for me would be this "version" of the band could gain some credibility with me (and I imagine many) if they recorded a whole new album. But I can't imagine this is gonna happen. We might get a new song or two, just enough to justify in their minds touring again. But 2 new songs doesn't make a "new band" just a new excuse to tour the world. Not that there is anything wrong with that if they're enjoying themselves and putting forth an effort on stage. We should just not confuse this with being 1984 or 1992 or even 1998. It ain't the same, that doesn't mean we can't enjoy it for what it is. Is just ain't the same.

Nail on the head.....

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More breaking news after a word from the hand up my ass.

You've had nothing good to say about Eddie Van Halen ever since you were denied an invitation to the "porn" party, mate. Who are you trying to kid?

Gosh, how do you know that? You just joined today, right? :sssh:
:rolleyes:

I don't recognise Wolfgang Van Halen as a musician, let alone a member of Van Halen...

I don't recognise Wolfgang Van Halen as a musician, let alone a member of Van Halen...

:funny: Ain't that the truth!

How is that bad on Sam for saying that?

You're a bitter old man. End of Story. End of fucking list.

not bitter not old just pointing out that at one time Sam said the same about Van Halen that they all got along etc etc

To clarify my earlier post, just because I don't think Chickenfoot is going to be the greatest slab or rock to hit the stores in the past five years does not mean I am not excited to hear it.

Same goes for any new VH.

I am just being realistic. Nothing any of these guys have put out recently has knocked my socks off, so why expect that all of a sudden they are just going to release some great piece of music.

Livin' It Up - average
Diamond Dave - below average
BOBW - three new songs - sucked

Maybe they will be great releases by C-Foot and VH, and I anticipate them, I just don't expect it.

Now, I gotta go put the cream in my coffee.

Ed's playing on the III tour was better than ANYTHING he did [on the 2007 - 2008] tour.


This is why I couldn't really get excited about the 07-08 tour, which I saw twice. I saw Eddie rip through classic VH songs in 1998. (Went to four shows that tour.) And as sad as it was seeing VH play in a 5,000 seat venue towards the end of the tour, the intimacy added to the fervor I had for Ed's playing. Going into the DLR reunion tour, I felt that I had "been there, done that" as far as excitement levels go.

Nothing with Wolfgang Van Halen in it is Van Halen.

I think Wolfgang and the 15 year old girl playing with Sam a week or so ago should create VHMania.

The part that really puzzles me about Sammy is that he claims that he is so happy with his band The Wabos yet he is constantly trying to put together a supergroup?:confused:

This is actually very easy to explain. There are people like me and probably 98% of the rest of the world that enjoy spending Saturday afternoon doing nothing productive. Be that on a boat, the beach, on the couch watching golf. There are the 2% of the people in this world that are never satisfied with what they are doing and are always looking to create something new.

These are the people that employee other people and pay the taxes so the couch people can spend their time complaining about getting 'free' health care.

There is no contradiction between being happy and wanting to do something new. I'm sure Bill Gates was happy with the first Windows but he didn't stop wanting to create new products.

So the answer is easy it is the difference between achievers and the rest of us.

I don't recognise Wolfgang Van Halen as a musician, let alone a member of Van Halen...

Same here... :thumb:

I'm actually quite looking forward to hearing this chickenfoot thing.

Satch is able to cover quite a lot of ground, from straight ahead rock through funk and especially his use of eastern sounding drones : Plenty of scope to make something interesting there.

For those that might wonder about his ability to play in a band setting, don't forget, he toured with Jagger and Rainbow and before he maxed out his credit cards to record and start his solo career, he spent 5 or so years in a band called the "Squares" which was a power pop trio.

I think it could be interesting if they gel as a group and we might also see a little more of what Mikey has to offer, assuming this band was the democracy that you might think it would be.

I'm not the biggest fan of Sammy's solo stuff because I think the compositions tend to be a little flat and predictable, even though his singing is great, and I think Satch is the man to bring that extra little twist of something jaw-clenchingly, mouth-pursingly, citrussy and tangy....

Time will tell, but I am quite happy to hear Sam get overenthusiastic about this: that's what he does and he seems to have the kind of character that makes him sound like an excited music fan rather than an arrogant prick.

I'll be having a listen anyway..........

"GO CHICKENS!!!!!"

Eddie's no angel, but post Balance Sammy didn't lose a hip, a singer, a wife, part of his tongue, his battle with alcoholism, or fight cancer either...

If he stays clean and healthy there is a good chance he will be prolific again.

Little white lie, come back to haunt you.

Originally Posted by James in New York View Post
Eddie's no angel, but post Balance Sammy didn't lose a hip, a singer, a wife, part of his tongue, his battle with alcoholism, or fight cancer either...

If he stays clean and healthy there is a good chance he will be prolific again.

Other than the hip replacement all of these problems are self inflicted, they didn't just happen. When people make bad choices, bad things happen so hardly an excuse. Everyone's life is a direct result of the choices they make, there is no such thing as bad luck.

Interesting thread. Thought I'd chime in with my 2 cents (to equal my number of posts):

Sammy has always made bold, way out predictions. Like him or not, it's got ya'll talking about the Chickenfoot project, whether positive or negative. And remember, bad publicity is still publicity! I remember when he stated that "Feelings" would be Van Halen's "Stairway to Heaven". In my opinion, it wasn't, but it brought interest to the Balance CD before it's release.

Now, the comparison to Led Zeppelin?
On the total grand scale, probably not even close.
But on a music scale, well, that's pretty much subjective to an individuals taste.
Me?
As much as I love Led Zeppelin (especially Kashmir), I can only tolerate them in small doses, as compared to my rediscovery of Van Halen remastered music (especially upon stumbling to this site before the 2007 tour), which I've basically listened to non stop. Hell, I created a CD of my own Kick Ass Van Halen alternating Sammy with Dave almost a year ago, and it never leaves my car's CD player!

The comparison to Van Halen?
I think we can all agree that he's talking about how his current project is way above the dysfunction of VH, which we've grown to know and love.

All that being said, I hope Sammy's current project is major kick ass! I hope that incites the VH trio to record new kick ass shit!
And my ultimate SportsCenter highlight that doesn't include strippers? That the core of Van Halen (Edward, Alex, Michael, Dave, and Sam) get over their collective past feuds, and tour once and for all together!
Because let's face it, that window of opportunity is almost closed. Forever.

Peace!

Little white lie, come back to haunt you.



Um, are you incapable of compassion? Ed went through hell. I couldn't imagine going through all the things he has in such a short length of time. The mere fact that he's still here and seems to be ok, is amazing in itself.

Interesting thread. Thought I'd chime in with my 2 cents (to equal my number of posts):

Sammy has always made bold, way out predictions. Like him or not, it's got ya'll talking about the Chickenfoot project, whether positive or negative. And remember, bad publicity is still publicity! I remember when he stated that "Feelings" would be Van Halen's "Stairway to Heaven". In my opinion, it wasn't, but it brought interest to the Balance CD before it's release.

Now, the comparison to Led Zeppelin?
On the total grand scale, probably not even close.
But on a music scale, well, that's pretty much subjective to an individuals taste.
Me?
As much as I love Led Zeppelin (especially Kashmir), I can only tolerate them in small doses, as compared to my rediscovery of Van Halen remastered music (especially upon stumbling to this site before the 2007 tour), which I've basically listened to non stop. Hell, I created a CD of my own Kick Ass Van Halen alternating Sammy with Dave almost a year ago, and it never leaves my car's CD player!

The comparison to Van Halen?
I think we can all agree that he's talking about how his current project is way above the dysfunction of VH, which we've grown to know and love.

All that being said, I hope Sammy's current project is major kick ass! I hope that incites the VH trio to record new kick ass shit!
And my ultimate SportsCenter highlight that doesn't include strippers? That the core of Van Halen (Edward, Alex, Michael, Dave, and Sam) get over their collective past feuds, and tour once and for all together!
Because let's face it, that window of opportunity is almost closed. Forever.

Peace!

Nice post and very much how I feel that I wish them both success and they will get inspired for whatever reason to create new music. I'm excited to hear this new disc and I won't start slamming it before I get to at least give it a listen.

Gee, just imagine if they all got together and had strippers on stage? You'd think you had died and gone to heaven. ;)

Um, are you incapable of compassion? Ed went through hell. I couldn't imagine going through all the things he has in such a short length of time. The mere fact that he's still here and seems to be ok, is amazing in itself.

Compassion? for what?

His wife left because he was a drunk. If he didn't have millions, she would of left him long ago. His cancer was caused from smoking...and the hip was from too much drinking.

Compassion? for what?

His wife left because he was a drunk. If he didn't have millions, she would of left him long ago. His cancer was caused from smoking...and the hip was from too much drinking.

Agree on the first two but on the last, not so sure. All those "Flying Eddies" took a toll on his hip along with sliding around the stage. My wife is 34 and is about to have a hip replacement and has not drank since she was 24.

Compassion? for what?

His wife left because he was a drunk. If he didn't have millions, she would of left him long ago. His cancer was caused from smoking...and the hip was from too much drinking.



Ok, my fire has been stoked........How about compassion for another human being? How the hell would you know what did or did not cause Ed to go through the things he has? And what does the reason for them have to do with anything at all? He did have to go through them and survived through it. Not every person that makes bad choices has to suffer like he has, Ed was dealt a bad card....and furthermore, I'd highly suggest that you step back and take a look at yourself and all your shortcomings before you start pointing the finger at someone that has went through the things he has.....You're not him, and you've never walked in his shoes. You'd better be careful of what you say or do to another human being because it will always come back to you.

Ok, my fire has been stoked........How about compassion for another human being? How the hell would you know what did or did not cause Ed to go through the things he has? And what does the reason for them have to do with anything at all? He did have to go through them and survived through it. Not every person that makes bad choices has to suffer like he has, Ed was dealt a bad card....and furthermore, I'd highly suggest that you step back and take a look at yourself and all your shortcomings before you start pointing the finger at someone that has went through the things he has.....You're not him, and you've never walked in his shoes. You'd better be careful of what you say or do to another human being because it will always come back to you.

You know, if you wanna see someone who has suffered....Eddie Van Halen would be near the bottom of the list.

You know, if you wanna see someone who has suffered....Eddie Van Halen would be near the bottom of the list.



Oh God.....whatever. I give up. Just dig your own grave. I'd really hate to be you. You have so much bitter, jealousy, and resentment inside your heart for some reason. I actually feel sorry for you, you're only hurting yourself.

Gotta agree with Kim on this one... A sense of compassion never hurts anyone....

what a horrible name they chose for the band "CHICKENFOOT", come on, they should think about something better.
I hope it's a good album, but I really don't expect anything near to VH or LED ZEPP.
It's a shame Sam has to say shit about THE BAND that made him FAMOUS, but then again, we all know SAM.

what a horrible name they chose for the band "CHICKENFOOT", come on, they should think about something better.
I hope it's a good album, but I really don't expect anything near to VH or LED ZEPP. It's a shame Sam has to say shit about THE BAND that made him FAMOUS, but then again, we all know SAM.

Seriously, more Dave vs. Sam shit?

If you'd bothered to read the articles, you'd know that the working title of the band is no longer Chickenfoot, but Echo Vault or something like that.

If you'd bothered to have skipped cherry picking, you'd know that Eddie and Dave have talked as much shit about THE BAND that made them FAMOUS as Sam.

Oh God.....whatever. I give up. Just dig your own grave. I'd really hate to be you. You have so much bitter, jealousy, and resentment inside your heart for some reason. I actually feel sorry for you, you're only hurting yourself.

I don't see what's so wrong with his assessment, really.

I don't know why people hold Ed's "recovery" on such a high pedestal. Yeah, he wasn't in a good spot, but I certainly wouldn't consider him "the greatest miracle story I've ever heard" like some seem to want to do around here. The guy is a celebrity, which is why we hear and follow his story.

I'm sure there's a father who's been running a meth lab somewhere for about ten years, and doesn't plan to stop, even though it's driven his whole family and friends away. I KNOW a girl who's brother died in a drunk driving accident, and had to move up here with her aunt and uncle because she couldn't live around the environment she was in anymore, which featured meth, alocohol, and cocaine addiction.

Ed's story simply does not match up to the things I've heard from personal friends or family. Some are details I really SHOULDN'T get into, but you have to look at not only the user, but the ones who are affected, and to what extreme they have been affected by it.

I'm not saying Ed didn't go through a lot, because he did. But there are people I know personally or those we don't hear about publicly who go through much, much worse than he has. Hence, why I'm not willing to place him on such a high pedestal, nor am I sold on the fact that he's 100% recovered" yet, since we've seen this Eddie before. Do I hope he stays healthy? Absolutely. Do I expect it? I'm 50/50 there.

Whether or not CF is any good only time will tell. Sam hyping a new project is totally cool with me. Ed did the same thing after every change the band has gone through so why shouldnt Sam hype his new project. No biggie. But until the current incarnation of VH does a new album it will be, as several have said, a greatest hits band. Thats it. I saw them on the current tour and had a blast. I had waited my whole life to hear those songs played by VH (I would have preferred a true reunion, but I'll take what I got and go home with a smile on my face). I think the kid did an admirable job but until new music is recorded his contribution is limited to a fill-in role. Dave, Sam and yes, Gary all were contributors to a musical direction the band went in, Gary's more abstract than most i'll admit but they're roles were as a key creator of the music. Mike's as well as he was a key to the sound and back vox for 11+ albums. I hope Sam's new project, whatever the final name is, kicks some major ass. Just as I hope that a new VH album will be forthcoming and also kick ass (pipedream I realize). I just want some new music from artists I love to listen to...

Seriously, more Dave vs. Sam shit?

If you'd bothered to read the articles, you'd know that the working title of the band is no longer Chickenfoot, but Echo Vault or something like that.

If you'd bothered to have skipped cherry picking, you'd know that Eddie and Dave have talked as much shit about THE BAND that made them FAMOUS as Sam.

well I'm glad that they changed the bands name, I didn't bother because GENIUSES LIKE YOU come back and say things like this.
I am not saying Dave or Ed haven't talked shit about each other, I'm just saying it's a shame Sam has to talk SHIT about the BAND that made HIM FAMOUS, and it's the TRUTH.

well I'm glad that they changed the bands name, I didn't bother because GENIUSES LIKE YOU come back and say things like this.
I am not saying Dave or Ed haven't talked shit about each other, I'm just saying it's a shame Sam has to talk SHIT about the BAND that made HIM FAMOUS, and it's the TRUTH.

But I guess it's excusable for Dave to do the same in the past now that they're "brothers" again? Excusable for Ed to do the same about members who've come and gone in this band?

Dave and Ed are just as guilty as Sam is, like it or not.

I don't see what's so wrong with his assessment, really.

I don't know why people hold Ed's "recovery" on such a high pedestal. Yeah, he wasn't in a good spot, but I certainly wouldn't consider him "the greatest miracle story I've ever heard" like some seem to want to do around here. The guy is a celebrity, which is why we hear and follow his story.

I'm sure there's a father who's been running a meth lab somewhere for about ten years, and doesn't plan to stop, even though it's driven his whole family and friends away. I KNOW a girl who's brother died in a drunk driving accident, and had to move up here with her aunt and uncle because she couldn't live around the environment she was in anymore, which featured meth, alocohol, and cocaine addiction.

Ed's story simply does not match up to the things I've heard from personal friends or family. Some are details I really SHOULDN'T get into, but you have to look at not only the user, but the ones who are affected, and to what extreme they have been affected by it.

I'm not saying Ed didn't go through a lot, because he did. But there are people I know personally or those we don't hear about publicly who go through much, much worse than he has. Hence, why I'm not willing to place him on such a high pedestal, nor am I sold on the fact that he's 100% recovered" yet, since we've seen this Eddie before. Do I hope he stays healthy? Absolutely. Do I expect it? I'm 50/50 there.
Wow! started at the beginning of the thread, and skipped ahead a few pages. It seems to have gone somewhere else. I will comment on this though, that yes it's great to see Ed on top of his game again, and the only "miracle" I see is that by appearances, he's regained his center. Most people on the road he's taken don't come back, or are extremely worse for wear. I doubt a true 100% recovery. He is a bit of a fragile soul. That's why he became dependent to begin with, because he is basically a loner and is not very comfortable in his skin. I honestly believe that he stands a better chance at sobriety with Dave. Sam for all his complaining about Eddie's drinking and whatnot and sounding like the voice of reason isn't really the most supportive sort to hang around at the root of it all. The guy loves his drink, and weed, although he seems to keep it together, but a guy like Ed craves alcohol like your next breath. It's a hell of a thing. Iv'e been through it and been around those kind of people that come off like their doing you a favour or something. And where are they now? Gone! Sam sells tequila, he whips it at the crowd on stage. He sends in waitresses every break in performing, takes a sip and throws it at the crowd. I heard for a fact he was pulling this shit it '04 backstage, and at a few of the after show parties. Yeah, real classy to do in front of a guy as destroyed as Eddie was at that point. Anyway. I hope they put out a new album, and I wish them all continued health and hapiness. On one rumour note though, I did hear some rumblings that Ted Templeman has been talking to some key people in Warner Bros. about a project mid fall. Could this be it? I thought he was pretty much retired, but I'm sure he'd jump at this chance. That would be very cool.

But I guess it's excusable for Dave to do the same in the past now that they're "brothers" again? Excusable for Ed to do the same about members who've come and gone in this band?

Dave and Ed are just as guilty as Sam is, like it or not.

If you'd bothered to read, this THREAD IS ABOUT SAM.
if this thread was about Dave or ED or whoever it was, talking SHIT about the Band that made him famous, then my comments would be about them.

I've hated when Dave talked shit about VH, or Ed talked shit about any band member, but THIS THREAD is about SAM.

My level of compassion for Ed is tempered by the fact that much of it was self induced. Do I feel bad for him? Of course I do, no one wants to see anyone suffer.

However, there will always be the "but he did it to himself" at the end of it.

My level of compassion for Ed is tempered by the fact that much of it was self induced. Do I feel bad for him? Of course I do, no one wants to see anyone suffer.

However, there will always be the "but he did it to himself" at the end of it.

I couldn't find a nice way of putting that, but I agree with that assessment, definitely.

My level of compassion for Ed is tempered by the fact that much of it was self induced. Do I feel bad for him? Of course I do, no one wants to see anyone suffer.

However, there will always be the "but he did it to himself" at the end of it.

To a point. The definition of being an alcoholic is not having control over drinking. It takes a very strong person to seek help and then be able to stick with the program. It is especially hard for an emotional person to overcome alcoholism because of the solace it provides. There are many who never make it. But yes, in the end it is up to the individual to want to change. No one can get clean for you no matter how bad they want to or try to help. A very hard road indeed.

You know, if you wanna see someone who has suffered....Eddie Van Halen would be near the bottom of the list.

Hungry children suffer. Wealthy celebrities cause most of their own problems they just like to make sure everyone views them as some kind of victim.

Apparently being molested by a family member increases your chance of becoming famous. Seems like every weekend we learn of another celebrity that feels it necessary to tell an ET journalist about their Uncle Ernie and how difficult their life is.

Had Sammy actually taken the time to answer that question seriously instead of using it as an opportunity to get a dig in, it might have been interesting to hear.

As far as Chicken Foot being "10x Van Halen"....I think he may have overstated that just a tad.

well I'm glad that they changed the bands name, I didn't bother because GENIUSES LIKE YOU come back and say things like this.
I am not saying Dave or Ed haven't talked shit about each other, I'm just saying it's a shame Sam has to talk SHIT about the BAND that made HIM FAMOUS, and it's the TRUTH.

No, GENIUS, Dave and Ed haven't just talked shit about each other, they've talked shit about THE VERY BAND that made THEM famous.

LOL, guys like you are all the same. Pointing fingers at one scapegoat, when it's become crystal clear who the mastermind dickhead is behind all of Van Halen's follies since 1995.

It's gotten to the point where I even question my long held belief about Dave's quitting in 1985. Perhaps Ed had more to do with the bullshit back then too.

If you'd bothered to read, this THREAD IS ABOUT SAM.
if this thread was about Dave or ED or whoever it was, talking SHIT about the Band that made him famous, then my comments would be about them.

I've hated when Dave talked shit about VH, or Ed talked shit about any band member, but THIS THREAD is about SAM.

Oh, right. Good thing you're staying on topic. :D :rolleyes:

I'll start a thread soon on Ed's shit-slinging. I'm sure you'll participate in an equally unbiased fashion. :)

No, GENIUS, Dave and Ed haven't just talked shit about each other, they've talked shit about THE VERY BAND that made THEM famous.

LOL, guys like you are all the same. Pointing fingers at one scapegoat, when it's become crystal clear who the mastermind dickhead is behind all of Van Halen's follies since 1995.

It's gotten to the point where I even question my long held belief about Dave's quitting in 1985. Perhaps Ed had more to do with the bullshit back then too.



i hear you on that one bro. i used to see Roth back in those days occasionally and all he said was that they didn't want him anymore.

This is actually very easy to explain. There are people like me and probably 98% of the rest of the world that enjoy spending Saturday afternoon doing nothing productive. Be that on a boat, the beach, on the couch watching golf. There are the 2% of the people in this world that are never satisfied with what they are doing and are always looking to create something new.

These are the people that employee other people and pay the taxes so the couch people can spend their time complaining about getting 'free' health care.

There is no contradiction between being happy and wanting to do something new. I'm sure Bill Gates was happy with the first Windows but he didn't stop wanting to create new products.

So the answer is easy it is the difference between achievers and the rest of us.



But to me, that waters down the product.

If you're spreading yourself that thin, you'd better be able to have plenty of great ideas to go around for all of your endeavors, or you end up with 3 or 4 very average projects.

I think at times, Sam's had too many irons in the fire, and his art has suffered. Both solo and with Van Halen.

Anyway. I hope they put out a new album, and I wish them all continued health and hapiness. On one rumour note though, I did hear some rumblings that Ted Templeman has been talking to some key people in Warner Bros. about a project mid fall. Could this be it? I thought he was pretty much retired, but I'm sure he'd jump at this chance. That would be very cool.

He is working right now with the Doobie Bros., so he's still going.
I hope he gets the call, too.
:thumb:

Oh, right. Good thing you're staying on topic. :D :rolleyes:

I'll start a thread soon on Ed's shit-slinging. I'm sure you'll participate in an equally unbiased fashion. :)

:funny:

Thanks for covering that one, wasn't quite sure how to respond, for some reason.

That is gonna be one long-ass thread. Interesting of course, but long. I just got done reading this entire thread and it ranged from Chickenfoot to Zep, to VH, to Wolfgane, to HSAS. All that from Sammy's comments about the new stuff? Wow. :eek:

So the band name has changed then? That's good to know. Chickenfoot was a strange name and these guys deserve a better name than that. I'm looking forward to the listen and will save judgement til then.

btw - that is one bad pic of Sammy. He looks bloated or something. Maybe too much Cabo but probably just a bad camera angle. Coulda used a more flattering pic.

I like the mention of Satch's key in B-Quiet. :D

If Templeman is back, then it's a whole different ball game, he's probably the only guy capable to make them walk the line.

Ted is retired. Doubtful he's negotiating anything with Warner or any other label. The Doobie thing was just a one time favor, from what I've heard.

Since the discussion has moved to Ted for now, thought I'd throw this in. I hadn't seen it before:

http://www.psych.mcgill.ca/levitin/erp/templeman.html

Ted is retired. Doubtful he's negotiating anything with Warner or any other label. The Doobie thing was just a one time favor, from what I've heard.


So he wouldn't do any favors for Warner, or VH, or Roth, all of whom he had loooong standing relationships?

This rumor sounds way more feasible than most...... at least able to put in the "possible" file.


Hell, if they've got WB back in their corner, lots of things are possible.

So he wouldn't do any favors for Warner, or VH, or Roth, all of whom he had loooong standing relationships?

This rumor sounds way more feasible than most...... at least able to put in the "possible" file.


Hell, if they've got WB back in their corner, lots of things are possible.

LOL, I don't think Ted will be doing a record with VH anytime soon.

How do you figure WB is backing VH again? :confused:

LOL, I don't think Ted will be doing a record with VH anytime soon.

How do you figure WB is backing VH again? :confused:


I thought that was the rumor that was out there.......?:confused:

Warner has possible interest in any new VH....hinging on Ed's sobriety and the chosen producer.

Think they may back them cuz Dave is back?
I dunno...could be.

I think there's a chance Ted would do it, too.
Fingers crossed...
;)

I thought that was the rumor that was out there.......?:confused:

Warner has possible interest in any new VH....hinging on Ed's sobriety and the chosen producer.

I don't think there's any ongoing negotiations, man. And I don't think WB believes VH is a viable - and more pertinently, a profitable - entity to pony up funding and contracts any longer. Particularly to cut a new LP in the digital age.

The only real pressing question is when Dave's going to come out from under his rock and spill the beans on yea or nay for the future or the pasture. :)

I don't think there's any ongoing negotiations, man. And I don't think WB believes VH is a viable - and more pertinently, a profitable - entity to pony up funding and contracts any longer. Particularly to cut a new LP in the digital age.

The only real pressing question is when Dave's going to come out from under his rock and spill the beans on yea or nay for the future or the pasture. :)

Didn't Ted get cut loose from WB back in 1998?

Best I can do......




http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w168/lodewijk113/001.jpg

Based on this photo, maybe they should change the name of the band from "Chickenfoot" to "Turkeyneck".

:)

Didn't Ted get cut loose from WB back in 1998?

Have no idea about Ted's status with WB. I was surprised to hear he was consulting with the Doobies on a recent project. My buddy is his personal computer tech, and by all accounts he was quite happy in retirement.

Guess he got bored.

Since the discussion has moved to Ted for now, thought I'd throw this in. I hadn't seen it before:

http://www.psych.mcgill.ca/levitin/erp/templeman.html

Thanks. Good read.


Alex said: - if you notice on all the records, it is really the drums and guitar that create the turbulence, the movement. Mike [Anthony, bassist] just carries the bottom, down there, providing the subsonic qualities. Because Ed's guitar is very fat, and what Ed plays is very intricate, there's a lot of stuff to play off of.

The recipe for True Van Halen sound from the lips of a Van Halen.

Mike created it, Wolfgang mocks it.

And I don't think WB believes VH is a viable - and more pertinently, a profitable - entity to pony up funding and contracts any longer. Particularly to cut a new LP in the digital age.

I'm not sure WB is a viable, profitable entity anymore either.

Seems like LiveNation would take a stab at releasing any potential new VH music.

Since the discussion has moved to Ted for now, thought I'd throw this in. I hadn't seen it before:

http://www.psych.mcgill.ca/levitin/erp/templeman.html

Thanks for providing that, YD. Nice read.

The writer makes a noticeable error however, by including the quote by "historian" Howie Klien in his assessment of Led Zeppelin. By pointing out that the band produced a series of copycat groups aping their sound, he ignores the fact that this happens in every musical generation. Van Halen achieved pretty much the same effect, with everything from blonde, hyperactive front men to fleet-fingered guitar players taking center stage to ride the gravy train.

And if anything, VH at the time were hardly considered "new". Conversely, they were actually considered a throwback in an era of stifling disco and somewhat discordant punk bands. Oddly enough, by going backward, Van Halen somehow managed to go forward.

And we are all the better for it.

I'm not sure WB is a viable, profitable entity anymore either.

Warner Music Group (WMG) became the only stand-alone music company to be publicly traded in the United States in May 2005. With its broad roster of new stars and legendary artists, Warner Music Group is home to a collection of the best-known record labels in the music industry including Asylum, Atlantic, Bad Boy, Cordless, East West, Elektra, Lava, Maverick, Nonesuch, Reprise, Rhino, Roadrunner, Rykodisc, Sire, Warner Bros. and Word. Warner Music International, a leading company in national and international repertoire operates through numerous international affiliates and licensees in more than 50 countries. Warner Music Group also includes Warner/Chappell Music, one of the world's leading music publishers.


More keyboards Ed... it's all the rage!

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Remember right before "5150" was released and Sammy said the album was better than any previous Van Halen and Sammy Hagar album combined?
Irrelevant. I don't remember that quote, but if it's like you say, it was specifically about an ALBUM.

Hagar's comment about the new band compared to VH was ONLY about the members getting along. Anyone who reads anything into it other than that has real problems with comprehension.

I'm not sure WB is a viable, profitable entity anymore either.

Seems like LiveNation would take a stab at releasing any potential new VH music.

WB us a joke now. Their stock's in the toilet and their recent music successes are practically none.

In this day and age, I don't know why an established act needs a traditional record company. Deals with Live Nation, Wal Mart, even Starbucks seem to be the norm.

I doubt VH releases anything new, and would be twice as surprised to see something on WB.

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http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/439/postlogoredtw4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

I'm looking forward to this album for sure. I hope it lives up to Sammy's hype. I wasn't too fond of his last two solo albums. Ten 13 was the last one I really liked.

True, with Azoff I guess they would go directly through Walmart.

:funny:

Thanks for covering that one, wasn't quite sure how to respond, for some reason.

You go Batm...

Oh sorry, promised I wouldnt do that ;-)

Glenn

You go Batm...

Oh sorry, promised I wouldnt do that ;-)

Glenn

'Least I'm not Robin :D

Least I'm not Robin :D

No kidding...

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1329/abatmadpk9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Yeah he looks like shit. I think this is over-rated.

Sam looks great for 60....and he still looks 100 times better than Ed did in 2004....
Chickenfoot will be awesome

You know, if you wanna see someone who has suffered....Eddie Van Halen would be near the bottom of the list.

people react to tradgedy in different ways
maybe Ed dealt with his problems by drinking last I checked alchoholism is a diease

Cancer is a disease.

Alcoholism is an addiction. Big difference.

I like jello

But to me, that waters down the product.

If you're spreading yourself that thin, you'd better be able to have plenty of great ideas to go around for all of your endeavors, or you end up with 3 or 4 very average projects.

I think at times, Sam's had too many irons in the fire, and his art has suffered. Both solo and with Van Halen.

I think it is hard to argue with Sam's success. It didn't hurt that he is the former lead for VH but Sam earned his way into the VH it wasn't given to him. He was one of the most recognizable solo rock artist of the time. There are not many people that have been able to maintain as solid of a career for as long as Hagar has.

I think it is hard to argue with Sam's success. It didn't hurt that he is the former lead for VH but Sam earned his way into the VH it wasn't given to him. He was one of the most recognizable solo rock artist of the time. There are not many people that have been able to maintain as solid of a career for as long as Hagar has.

No doubt about it, he's been very successful. And while I've been one to rip on his shitty lyrics from time to time, he's also written some good tunes and I enjoyed his tenure in VH for the most part.

Cancer is a disease.

Alcoholism is an addiction. Big difference.

Wrong. 100% wrong.

Wrong. 100% wrong.

Sorta shocking how misinformed the public remains on this subject isn't it?

Sorta shocking how misinformed the public remains on this subject isn't it?

Obviously people who have never dealt with the disease as part of their lives, but claim to know about it...oh and pass judgment on everyone too.

Cancer is a disease.

Alcoholism is an addiction. Big difference.
And addiction is defined by the AMA, the DSM, and tons of other medical councils/experts as a disease.

Cancer is a disease.

Alcoholism is an addiction. Big difference.

Oh good gravy, yet another diagnosis from one of VH Links' authoritative and obviously astute medical practitioners. By the way doc, I've been having this trouble with my lower back...

sweet fancy Moses. Sammy needs to shut the fuck up already.

1. Chickenfoot is not and will not be 10 times what Van Halen is or was.
2. Chickenfoot will not even be in the same league as VH let alone Led Zeppelin.
3. I predict that Chickenfoot will be a "one and done" situtation.
4. Chickenfoot will not be 10 times what Hannah Montana is.
5. The band should be called "Footinmouth" because Sammy can't shut up.
;)

Oh good gravy, yet another diagnosis from one of VH Links' authoritative and obviously astute medical practitioners. By the way doc, I've been having this trouble with my lower back...

Doc Reckless Fable replies: "Mr. Craig, how about engaging in less 'extracurricular' activities that may be inducing the inflammation?"

sweet fancy Moses. Sammy needs to shut the fuck up already.

1. Chickenfoot is not and will not be 10 times what Van Halen is or was.
2. Chickenfoot will not even be in the same league as VH let alone Led Zeppelin.
3. I predict that Chickenfoot will be a "one and done" situtation.
4. Chickenfoot will not be 10 times what Hannah Montana is.
5. The band should be called "Footinmouth" because Sammy can't shut up.
;)

HAHA, finally! There it is: Sierra Tango Foxtrot Uniform!

On one rumour note though, I did hear some rumblings that Ted Templeman has been talking to some key people in Warner Bros. about a project mid fall. Could this be it? I thought he was pretty much retired, but I'm sure he'd jump at this chance. That would be very cool.

With Van Halen teamed up with the Azoff Management/WalMart distribution machine... there won't be any WB involvement in a new Van Halen record.

VH & WB cut their ties after BOBW... the only thing WB retained was distribution rights to all VH prior releases 78-04. WB has no access to unreleased materials worth mentioning.

Cancer is a disease.

Alcoholism is an addiction. Big difference.

Addiction is a disease... Alcohol is one of many tools to support it.

Doc Reckless Fable replies: "Mr. Craig, how about engaging in less 'extracurricular' activities that may be inducing the inflammation?"

You mean rather than bending over to tie my shoes I should simply wear slip-ons?

Gee, thanks Doctor Fable...you're a life saver. :D :thumb:

No kidding...

http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/1329/abatmadpk9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Alfred E. needs to run for President. I'd vote for him. ;)

Now about this Chickenneck crap....................................

Personally I and many others here are excited about the prospects of this "Chickenfoot" or "H.S.A.S." but sometimes our Sammy gets a little, shall we say, carried away in the things he says in regards to his projects. I think it will be awesome whatever these four put together, but I also understand Sammy's history of the blowing things completely out of proportion.

Sam's a passionate guy.

Chickenfoot never changed rock history, and most of those guys were influenced by the original VH whether they like it or not.

I think Sammy is a lil hurt about the biggest grossing tour in Van Halen history.

Can't wait to hear a new VH album in comparison.

I hate having to diss sammy because he is a good artist, he's just not as good as he thinks he is. "I can't drive i'm 65, well i'm such an old fart so much gas ohhh, gonna think i'll live till 95, bbq sauce if i'm dead or alive, fake my influence and try to strive, fake my license got some hives, but i can't drive i'm 65"

oh about that comparison of DLR on the VHND, i think these two look way more similar
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l221/vhdlrband/sam101-1.jpg

Addiction is a disease... Alcohol is one of many tools to support it.

Don't mean to double post, but I really don't think addiction is a disease. I've dealt with quite a few friends and even some family that were addicted. NA likes to tell them its a disease, and in a way i can see how people think it is. But a lot of these people put themselves there while having a really good life, and really have no excuse for it; therefore, it being addiction. Some people who were molested, or beaten, had a lot of bad things happen to them, then they pick up things, thats the disease, its not the addiction, the disease is the diseased lifeforms around them that think they can treat people any way they want to, and they can because there's not justice in this world.

Quite a contrast from my last post, but i just saw that there and have even helped with NA meetings and AA, and it is really sad, because there's just too many problems in this world and too many divisions. No matter how hard we try something bad will always happen to somebody unless we change the entire way things work across the entire planet. I mean we could keep people safe if we have surveillance on everything all the time, but then a corrupt person could abuse that, or make one mistake and your dead or in prison and living like 1984. Even then it doesn't stop random acts and so on. There has to be a better way, all these children dying and being abused, all these people, some people their whole lives are always someones bitch or something and its just totally retarded. The only way to stop addictions is to stop the source, people making life so miserable for the other that they have to pick up, or if they don't live a miserable life till they either get a disease or they die with a life they never really got to live.

"I think Sammy is a lil hurt about the biggest grossing tour in Van Halen history."

Right vanhalendlrband.......
really easy to have your highest grossing tour when you starve your fans to the point that they are willing to pay $150 for floor/lower bowl and up to $750 for VIP!! Way to go out and do the same cookie cutter show night to night for your legions of fans........

I think Sammy is a lil hurt about the biggest grossing tour in Van Halen history.


....really easy to have your highest grossing tour when you starve your fans to the point that they are willing to pay $150 for floor/lower bowl and up to $750 for VIP!! Way to go out and do the same cookie cutter show night to night for your legions of fans........

You mean the exact same prices they had for the 04 tour? I was at both shows. The stadium was half empty in Vancouver for the hagar show, versus a full one at the Van Halen concert which full of people in their early 20's and hardly people much older which was the biggest surprise to me. A lot of kids walking around saying "that was amazing". The drum solo was better, the guitar solo was better. The whole dam show was way more than Sammy draggin himself across the stage and his lil jog to show he can still jog to people. Thats also not taking into account these guys haven't played together since 1984, unlike Van Hagar who was only gone for a few years compared to Dave.

I payed 150 for the floor at the Van Hagar show too, so i really don't get your point. On top of that, they weren't touring on 3 new songs and a best of record that ended up being the first VH album, including Van Hagar albums that i ever took back. Horrid.

The hagar show was the same show every night too, get real.

You mean the exact same prices they had for the 04 tour? I was at both shows. The stadium was half empty in Vancouver for the hagar show, versus a full one at the Van Halen concert which full of people in their early 20's and hardly people much older which was the biggest surprise to me. A lot of kids walking around saying "that was amazing". The drum solo was better, the guitar solo was better. The whole dam show was way more than Sammy draggin himself across the stage and his lil jog to show he can still jog to people. Thats also not taking into account these guys haven't played together since 1984, unlike Van Hagar who was only gone for a few years compared to Dave.

I payed 150 for the floor at the Van Hagar show too, so i really don't get your point. On top of that, they weren't touring on 3 new songs and a best of record that ended up being the first VH album, including Van Hagar albums that i ever took back. Horrid.

The hagar show was the same show every night too, get real.


:D

Chickenfoot never changed rock history, and most of those guys were influenced by the original VH whether they like it or not.

I think Sammy is a lil hurt about the biggest grossing tour in Van Halen history.

Can't wait to hear a new VH album in comparison.

I hate having to diss sammy because he is a good artist, he's just not as good as he thinks he is. "I can't drive i'm 65, well i'm such an old fart so much gas ohhh, gonna think i'll live till 95, bbq sauce if i'm dead or alive, fake my influence and try to strive, fake my license got some hives, but i can't drive i'm 65"

oh about that comparison of DLR on the VHND, i think these two look way more similar
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l221/vhdlrband/sam101-1.jpg

wow. sammy must be pretty far in your head to post something like this....man, that must really suck.

sam could probably give to shits about how much the vh tour grossed cause he prolly made more $$$ off selling off a share of cabo wabo tequilla than anyone involved in that tour made.

You mean the exact same prices they had for the 04 tour?

This comment really confuses me. As a reference point...I won an auction in 2004 for a spot in the rings in Hamilton and I paid $175 for that privilege. In 2007 I paid $176 for a ticket about 8 sections away from the stage in the lower bowl. Top price was right around the $100 mark in 2004 so I am not sure how they are the same as 2007.

Think you are mistaken on exact same prices seeing that I went to 6 shows in 04. Must of been $150 Canadien.......All kidding aside......At least you got a lanyard and a chance at T-shirts being thrown in your direction out of the 4 star deal in 2004. Hopefully, you were smart enough to go 5 star and get sound check and some interaction with the band. Now that is VIP!! That will be the last time that will ever happen. Thanks for a seat in the first 20 rows and the collector bag for $750 in 07! Certainly do not remember upper level seats being $75 dollars in 04. Can't disagree with you though....since Ed was such a mess in 04, I can see why arenas were half full. Had nothing to do with Sammy though.......

Actually.....NO.....Sammy managed to convince Ed to do 7th Seal a few times on back to back nights in the same city! Ed was in no condition to have any flexibility in the set list. He could barely get through as it was on most nights. I did manage to see some glimpses of greatness though throughout the 6 show span. For that, I will be forever grateful!

Obviously people who have never dealt with the disease as part of their lives, but claim to know about it...oh and pass judgment on everyone too.

I usually agree with you Brett, but you are assuming and passing judgement on me that I have never lived through it.

My father was an alcoholic and died from it, and not matter what the AMA says or anybody else, I have a very difficult time calling something a disease that is a choice. Nobody ever made my dad become a drunk, he did it all by himself each time he pulled out the Scotch bottle.

Big difference between not being able to control yourself versus contracting a disease like MS in which it is of no fault of your own.

Just my opinion, and I don't want to get into some long argument in which neither of us is going to convince the other, and I don't want to hijack the thread either

But you shouldn't assume that no one has lived with it because they don't agree with you, I had a front row seat to it for 20+ years. We have both had in our lives and come out of it with different conclusions, enough said.

Cancer is a disease.

Alcoholism is an addiction. Big difference.

No.

LOL, gotta go through this again?

Pass.

I usually agree with you Brett, but you are assuming and passing judgement on me that I have never lived through it.

My father was an alcoholic and died from it, and not matter what the AMA says or anybody else, I have a very difficult time calling something a disease that is a choice. Nobody ever made my dad become a drunk, he did it all by himself each time he pulled out the Scotch bottle.

Big difference between not being able to control yourself versus contracting a disease like MS in which it is of no fault of your own.

Just my opinion, and I don't want to get into some long argument in which neither of us is going to convince the other, and I don't want to hijack the thread either

But you shouldn't assume that no one has lived with it because they don't agree with you, I had a front row seat to it for 20+ years. We have both had in our lives and come out of it with different conclusions, enough said.

Then I would assume by your definition that an STD is not a disease? After all, people choose to have sex.

Think you are mistaken on exact same prices seeing that I went to 6 shows in 04. Must of been $150 Canadien.......All kidding aside......At least you got a lanyard and a chance at T-shirts being thrown in your direction out of the 4 star deal in 2004. Hopefully, you were smart enough to go 5 star and get sound check and some interaction with the band. Now that is VIP!! That will be the last time that will ever happen. Thanks for a seat in the first 20 rows and the collector bag for $750 in 07! Certainly do not remember upper level seats being $75 dollars in 04. Can't disagree with you though....since Ed was such a mess in 04, I can see why arenas were half full. Had nothing to do with Sammy though.......

Actually.....NO.....Sammy managed to convince Ed to do 7th Seal a few times on back to back nights in the same city! Ed was in no condition to have any flexibility in the set list. He could barely get through as it was on most nights. I did manage to see some glimpses of greatness though throughout the 6 show span. For that, I will be forever grateful!

Lol our dollar is the same. Even back then in 04 it was around 70 cents. So i payed somewhere between 125-150, i'll find the ticket. I payed 175 for the DLR show around the same row on the floor at both shows around row 20. I remember wanting VIP seats and it was aronud 4-500 dollars for the Van Hagar tour, and this one was more obviously. Lets just compare ticket sales then of all Van Halen tours, anybody have that data, then equal the amount of dates of this tour. So on so forth.

You mean the exact same prices they had for the 04 tour? I was at both shows. The stadium was half empty in Vancouver for the hagar show, versus a full one at the Van Halen concert which full of people in their early 20's and hardly people much older which was the biggest surprise to me. A lot of kids walking around saying "that was amazing". The drum solo was better, the guitar solo was better. The whole dam show was way more than Sammy draggin himself across the stage and his lil jog to show he can still jog to people. Thats also not taking into account these guys haven't played together since 1984, unlike Van Hagar who was only gone for a few years compared to Dave.

I payed 150 for the floor at the Van Hagar show too, so i really don't get your point. On top of that, they weren't touring on 3 new songs and a best of record that ended up being the first VH album, including Van Hagar albums that i ever took back. Horrid.

The hagar show was the same show every night too, get real.

Lol our dollar is the same. Even back then in 04 it was around 70 cents. So i payed somewhere between 125-150, i'll find the ticket. I payed 175 for the DLR show around the same row on the floor at both shows around row 20. I remember wanting VIP seats and it was aronud 4-500 dollars for the Van Hagar tour, and this one was more obviously. Lets just compare ticket sales then of all Van Halen tours, anybody have that data, then equal the amount of dates of this tour. So on so forth.

How about we do what a couple people have already done in response to you:

2004 5 Star ticket Packages:

- Ticket in the first 10 rows (Although 9/10 you got a ticket in the first 2 rows)
- Backstage party
- Backstage tour
- T-shirt
- Laminate
- Hat
- Trip to Soundcheck with Eddie, Alex and Mikey

Price: $600


2007 5 Star Package:

- Ticket in the first 9 rows (Could be in Row 2...or could be in Row 9, in the pit...no guarantee)
- t-shirt
- laminate
- Backstage Party
- Backstage tour

Price: $750 + (in some places they were over $900


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Now if you think the latter is the better deal/investment.....well...then that's great for you....but....forgive me for thinking that a cat-scan would be another good investment on your part.



The hagar show was the same show every night too, get real.


What day is better for you to schedule an appointment?

Did you even see the Roth-VH show?

I thought I paid 395.00 in 2004 for 5 star
and then 1000.00 for no soundcheck 5 star in 2007

I thought I paid 395.00 in 2004 for 5 star
and then 1000.00 for no soundcheck 5 star in 2007

I didn't buy my 5 Star Package in 2004, it was a gift, so I really don't know how much it was. Maybe it was less than $600. But I think it was more than $395, James.

I didn't buy my 5 Star Package in 2004, it was a gift, so I really don't know how much it was. Maybe it was less than $600. But I think it was more than $395, James.


Seems there is a wide range of different prices, depending on the venue. I recall that a friend of mine who had 5 star paid about $125 more for Ft Liquordale show than they were charging at the Jacksonville show.

You mean rather than bending over to tie my shoes I should simply wear slip-ons?

Gee, thanks Doctor Fable...you're a life saver. :D :thumb:

That's what I'm hear for--in fact, I didn't want to tell you this at the time, but you only had a 70% chance of living before you made this simple lifestyle change. You may continue commence living now...;) :thumb:

I believe the prices in my area for 04 were:

5 Star- $400
4 Star- $200

All I know is that I went 4 star once and kick myself in the ass everyday for not just going 5. What a once in a life time opportunity that was!!!

I usually agree with you Brett, but you are assuming and passing judgement on me that I have never lived through it.

My father was an alcoholic and died from it, and not matter what the AMA says or anybody else, I have a very difficult time calling something a disease that is a choice. Nobody ever made my dad become a drunk, he did it all by himself each time he pulled out the Scotch bottle.

Big difference between not being able to control yourself versus contracting a disease like MS in which it is of no fault of your own.

Just my opinion, and I don't want to get into some long argument in which neither of us is going to convince the other, and I don't want to hijack the thread either

But you shouldn't assume that no one has lived with it because they don't agree with you, I had a front row seat to it for 20+ years. We have both had in our lives and come out of it with different conclusions, enough said.

this is an excellent post.

I usually agree with you Brett, but you are assuming and passing judgement on me that I have never lived through it.

You sure talk like someone who has never lived through it. Sorry you just do.

My father was an alcoholic and died from it, and not matter what the AMA says or anybody else, I have a very difficult time calling something a disease that is a choice. Nobody ever made my dad become a drunk, he did it all by himself each time he pulled out the Scotch bottle.

He had a disease. It's obvious you have a lot of resentment towards your father, and that's perfectly understandable. But it's a disease.

Big difference between not being able to control yourself versus contracting a disease like MS in which it is of no fault of your own.

See that's a statement of someone who clearly doesn't understand what alcoholism is.

Just my opinion, and I don't want to get into some long argument in which neither of us is going to convince the other, and I don't want to hijack the thread either

Ok neither do I. You are right.

But you shouldn't assume that no one has lived with it because they don't agree with you, I had a front row seat to it for 20+ years. We have both had in our lives and come out of it with different conclusions, enough said.

Like I said, I think you probably have some resentment that makes you believe what you do.

With Van Halen teamed up with the Azoff Management/WalMart distribution machine... there won't be any WB involvement in a new Van Halen record.

VH & WB cut their ties after BOBW... the only thing WB retained was distribution rights to all VH prior releases 78-04. WB has no access to unreleased materials worth mentioning.
This is what Iv'e heard has happened. In between the main tour and the Quebec gig, Ted and Dave had spoken, and there was alot of optimism from Dave about how things had gone, but there were and always will be hurdles with the band but things felt "right". Ted apparently showed some rejuvinated interest in recording with the band again as although the fire is there, that in recent years, their sound has not been very lively and too sterile for a band of VH's caliber and style. In regards to W.B., Apperently some of the new management are trying to re-establish a "Key Act Market". In other words, bands that have had longevity and still have a healthy sales return in their catalogs. Let's face it, the whole Walmart thing has taken a huge chunk of the sales and marketing machine across the board. The reality is Warner Bros. as well as other labels simply got greedy and saw nothing but dollar signs when rap and hip hop gained popularity. It's super easy and cheap to produce, and during it's infancy the samples were ripped from existing music with very little retribution. Some from existing label clients. The labels hastily dumped existing long term acts like they were yesterdays news. Don't forget in addition to the whole rap thing being cheap, alot of it came with sponsorship from product shots in the videos thus aiding finances even more....and still do! Sneakers, Rim manufactureres, calogne and clothes. Anyway...in an effort to make amends Warner see it as an opportunity to possibly get their market share back although it may be niche, as there is the current trend of Vinyl making a huge comeback among audiophiles. Right there is an interesting chunk of the puzzle, obviously an album would be released on CD, and all the stuff will spread through the internet for free, but because it is also a vinyl release, there is that added "something" that the consumer will want. Who knows. It's either complete bullshit, or it is'nt, but from what I hear, VH isn't the only band that people are showing an interest in. At any rate, and whoever picks them up, I'm looking forward to a new album. I have heard that there WILL be a DVD with the "Just in time for Christmas" timeline, and it will be a Walmart initial release. No word if it will contain US festival footage, but supposedly there will be some remastered Oakland footage from the Fair Warning tour. Who knows. Hope at least some of it is true. Hopefully did'nt miss anything. Kinda jotted it down in a hurry on the phone.

I didn't buy my 5 Star Package in 2004, it was a gift, so I really don't know how much it was. Maybe it was less than $600. But I think it was more than $395, James.

I seriously think I paid 395.00 for 5 star with soundcheck.
It was amazing. And Sammy came out and did JUMP with the band!
:thumb:

This is what Iv'e heard has happened. In between the main tour and the Quebec gig, Ted and Dave had spoken, and there was alot of optimism from Dave about how things had gone

Hopefully it wasn't impostor-Dave. :D

Like I said, I think you probably have some resentment that makes you believe what you do.

It's fairly common. People either come to understand the nature of the disease, or they form long term emotional responses from being hurt by someone close to them with the disease, most often manifested by rationalizations that it was a 'choice.'

It's easier to blame than it is to empathize.

It's easier to blame than it is to empathize.


Tell that to Eddie Van Halen. :thumb: :smokin:

I seriously think I paid 395.00 for 5 star with soundcheck.
It was amazing. And Sammy came out and did JUMP with the band!
:thumb:

You are correct sir. I paid 395.00 at two five stars in '04. Hell looking back on it what a deal.

I even got to shake Ed's hand at one of the soundchecks. He was in a bad mood and quite a dick at the other one, but it all was well worth four hundred.

Dinner, drinks, soundcheck, and a seat in row 2 both times....are you kidding me? I'll take that every time.

I thought this was about Chicken Foot:confused: Sorry.................

I thought this was about Chicken Foot:confused: Sorry.................


You must be new around here! This is just how it goes.;)

Tell that to Eddie Van Halen. :thumb: :smokin:

Love to.

Ed, call me. You know the number. :)

I thought this was about Chicken Foot:confused: Sorry.................

Yeah!!!!:D Iknow, I know! I think this thread is soooooo all over the map that I was just puncuating on some of the other not so Chickenfoot posts! It is the way things go on here sometimes though. I was thinking the same thing. It started about Chickenfoot, then wham! 5 or 6 pages on we're taiking about Ed's addiction troubles! Anyway, back to Chickenfoot, or Extra crispy, or whatever the hell it's called now, I'm looking forward to seeing how it's gonna turn out. It kinda makes me think back when 5150, and Eat 'Em and Smile were going head to head. It would be cool to see if by some miracle that could play out. Given some of these rumours my buds been telling me about, it could be a real possibility. I must admit though, I find some of it to be a little exagerrated, although he's been more right than wrong over the years, even when I called complete bullshit. Like the Sass Jordan thing. I thought "yeah sure!" Turned out that there was in fact negotiations between her and Ed after Sammy started flaking out during his separation. I could'nt see it but given Ed's return to the sauce at that point I guess anything would be possible. Hell He was absolutely right about Gary. At least this news is more along the lines of what I consider to be real VH potential.

Love to.

Ed, call me. You know the number.





I think we all do. 1-800-ASS-HOLE? :D

Yeah!!!!:D Iknow, I know! I think this thread is soooooo all over the map that I was just puncuating on some of the other not so Chickenfoot posts! It is the way things go on here sometimes though. I was thinking the same thing. It started about Chickenfoot, then wham! 5 or 6 pages on we're taiking about Ed's addiction troubles! Anyway, back to Chickenfoot, or Extra crispy, or whatever the hell it's called now, I'm looking forward to seeing how it's gonna turn out. It kinda makes me think back when 5150, and Eat 'Em and Smile were going head to head. It would be cool to see if by some miracle that could play out. Given some of these rumours my buds been telling me about, it could be a real possibility. I must admit though, I find some of it to be a little exagerrated, although he's been more right than wrong over the years, even when I called complete bullshit. Like the Sass Jordan thing. I thought "yeah sure!" Turned out that there was in fact negotiations between her and Ed after Sammy started flaking out during his separation. I could'nt see it but given Ed's return to the sauce at that point I guess anything would be possible. Hell He was absolutely right about Gary. At least this news is more along the lines of what I consider to be real VH potential.


Thanks for the news, dude. Sounds good to me.

I even got to shake Ed's hand at one of the soundchecks. He was in a bad mood and quite a dick.

He may been dealing with one of his many real or imagined diseases on that particular evening. Sam and Mike were there too. Lord love a drunk.

Love to.

Ed, call me. You know the number.





I think we all do. 1-800-ASS-HOLE? :D

:funny:

I think we all do. 1-800-ASS-HOLE? :D

Aw. Sniping already, are ya 'dude?'

PM me if you need to jab further, dude. :sssh:

Been here five weeks and you've already got your feet propped up on the coffee table, Dude? :)