have eddie and satch ever been friends or acquaintances? ive never eally heard much of them talking to each other or anything.

I don't konw; however, judging by past behaviour of the Bros Van Halen...they won't be friends now.

They played on the same dart league team at The Power House every Tuesday night....then had a falling out when Satch joined the Thursday night league as well....and....y'know......

ed's too insecure to be friends with a guy like satch or vai.

I know Satch has mentioned that they've invited EVH every year to join G3, perhaps one of these years he'll except the invite. I'd love to see him jam with Wolfie and AVH for about hour worth of instrumental tunes.

I had heard that alot to do with Ed's split with Peavey was them working with Satch. They wanted to work with an artist who was more flexible to move a line forward. Ed was apparently pretty bitter with him at the time, when they made the Satriani sig amps their major line but he was also in a pretty different mindset too. I'm with ya. It would be cool to see him play with those guys, but I get the feeling it would be a repeat of his gig with Albert Lee and Steve Morse. He seemed very uncomfortable and out of place. Granted their of different base genres but Steve and Satch are like two peas in a pod. Ed may be the odd man out. who knows.

You CAN'T have TWO friends. (Alex got dibs)

Didn't Ed show up at a studio very drunk with a 6-pack when Satch was cutting an album. A toasted Eddie hung out for a while with Satch while tracks were being cut.

I think I read it on this site.

Back in the day, Guitar Magazine ran a column called "In the Listening Room" where they would play some songs for a name artist to comment on.

One of the cuts they cued up for EVH was "Satch Boogie."

Ed had not heard it before. He dug the track alot and said something along the lines that "that dude has some Van Halen in him." I think Satch would have thought that was a great honor.

Admittedly that was a long time ago.

And Satch has probably released 15 albums since Surfing with the Alien.

VH....2. And one of them was VH III.

I have never heard Satch (or Vai) diss Ed. I think EVH's place in the guitar god pantheon is secure, even in the eyes of the best guitarists that took what EVH did to new and higher levels.

Joe is by all accounts an awesome guy (Coldplay deal notwithstanding) and I can't imagine he has anything against Ed or that Ed could have anything (rationally) against Joe.

In a different post I wrote about how a friend of mine is very good friends (and grew up with) Steve Vai and his family. When VH toured last time, I had my friend call up Steve's sister (also his manager) to see if she could get some tickets (LOL - well, it was worth a try) - Pam (his sis) said even Steve couldn't get tickets.

After thanking my friend for trying we got to talking and I asked if Steve and Eddie knew each other. Eddie used to go over Steve's house and jam from time to time during his drinking days.

Sooo--- getting back to the original question - I know Steve and Satch are and/or were friends...don't know about Ed and Satch - sorry.

In a different post I wrote about how a friend of mine is very good friends (and grew up with) Steve Vai and his family. When VH toured last time, I had my friend call up Steve's sister (also his manager) to see if she could get some tickets (LOL - well, it was worth a try) - Pam (his sis) said even Steve couldn't get tickets.

After thanking my friend for trying we got to talking and I asked if Steve and Eddie knew each other. Eddie used to go over Steve's house and jam from time to time during his drinking days.

Sooo--- getting back to the original question - I know Steve and Satch are and/or were friends...don't know about Ed and Satch - sorry.

Thats cool! I didn't know that. I'm kinda surprised. Two of my favorite players.:headbang:

I know EVH and Vai are friends. There's a video of Vai at a seminar or a school of something, and he was talking about how a guitarist's sound comes from his fingers. The example he used was, one time EVH was hanging over at Vai's and he grabbed Vai's guitar to demonstrate what he was talking about.
And Vai said, he picked up my guitar, hooked to my amp and electronics....and there was Edward. (meaning the sound)

ed's too insecure to be friends with a guy like satch or vai.


ain't that the truth.

I had heard that alot to do with Ed's split with Peavey was them working with Satch. They wanted to work with an artist who was more flexible to move a line forward. Ed was apparently pretty bitter with him at the time, when they made the Satriani sig amps their major line but he was also in a pretty different mindset too. I'm with ya. It would be cool to see him play with those guys, but I get the feeling it would be a repeat of his gig with Albert Lee and Steve Morse. He seemed very uncomfortable and out of place. Granted their of different base genres but Steve and Satch are like two peas in a pod. Ed may be the odd man out. who knows.

that's the difference though. Satch can go play with anyone and feel comfortable doing it. Eddie only knows Van Halen and can't do anything different. That's why despite EVH paving the way, everyone needs to admit that he has his limitations and he's been exceeded, even as a rock player.

The Peavey angle is interesting.

Peavey, like Music Man before it, had/has real beefs with EVH.

By contrast, Joe's sponsorship deals with Peavey and Ibanez have been solid for years.

Still, I don't know about ill will between Satch and anybody (so long as he does not think they won a grammy by stealing his melody!)

If EVH is clean and sober, I wonder if he would dare to go out on a G3 tour with Satch. That would be so so cool.

Per Vai, the G3 invite is entirely up to Satch.

But my guess is that Ed's personal demons and unreliability means that he will never get asked (and his insecurities would keep him from accepting anyway). With Dave Larue playing bass for Satch these days, my guess/hope is that Steve Morse gets the call for the next G3.

In the meantime, looking forward to the Foot coming down!!!!

Does anyone else here dig Joe's contribution the the Chickenfoot video widget? His little sock puppet bit cracks me up every time I see it -- EVH would never do something so funny, self depricating or clever in a million years!

Man - I love some of the speculation / diisses on this site as far as Ed goes.

Who was the guy above who started saying Ed can't jam or something and only knows limitations as per his work with Van Halen.......

1) I've heard Ed jam on everything live with Luke, recording with Starfleet project extended EP with the tribute to Clapton (when he breaks a string and keeps going) to recording of him in the studio just shredding. Ed has plenty

2) Do you really think Vai and Satch are great at jamming? They ain't....watch G3 where Yngwie and Petrucci smoke them both. I love Vai and Satch - but saying they can jam but Ed can't is garbage. They indeed can only play within the confines of their own music.......

3) I know Vai and Ed are mates seen some pics to support this. I'm sure Satch is as well........

4) Satch has indeed tried to get Ed to do G3 - however he duly noted that Ed can fill an arena on his own, so why would he bother playing a theatre.

Man - I love some of the speculation / diisses on this site as far as Ed goes.

Who was the guy above who started saying Ed can't jam or something and only knows limitations as per his work with Van Halen.......

1) I've heard Ed jam on everything live with Luke, recording with Starfleet project extended EP with the tribute to Clapton (when he breaks a string and keeps going) to recording of him in the studio just shredding. Ed has plenty

2) Do you really think Vai and Satch are great at jamming? They ain't....watch G3 where Yngwie and Petrucci smoke them both. I love Vai and Satch - but saying they can jam but Ed can't is garbage. They indeed can only play within the confines of their own music.......
3) I know Vai and Ed are mates seen some pics to support this. I'm sure Satch is as well........

4) Satch has indeed tried to get Ed to do G3 - however he duly noted that Ed can fill an arena on his own, so why would he bother playing a theatre.

Ok, I can't stand guitar virtuoso music but Steve Vai and Joe Satriani can play ANY STYLE at the drop of a hat. They can play Djanjo style jazz, they can play big-box Joe Pass runs, they can play beebop, they can play slide blues, they can play delta blues, they can play classical, they can play whatever you want.

I love ed but he does not have that kind of range...he just doesn't. I prefer him to them but he's not that kind of chameleon player that can assume completely different identities on a whim. I don't think he ever wanted to be.

Man - I love some of the speculation / diisses on this site as far as Ed goes.

Who was the guy above who started saying Ed can't jam or something and only knows limitations as per his work with Van Halen.......

1) I've heard Ed jam on everything live with Luke, recording with Starfleet project extended EP with the tribute to Clapton (when he breaks a string and keeps going) to recording of him in the studio just shredding. Ed has plenty

2) Do you really think Vai and Satch are great at jamming? They ain't....watch G3 where Yngwie and Petrucci smoke them both. I love Vai and Satch - but saying they can jam but Ed can't is garbage. They indeed can only play within the confines of their own music.......

3) I know Vai and Ed are mates seen some pics to support this. I'm sure Satch is as well........

4) Satch has indeed tried to get Ed to do G3 - however he duly noted that Ed can fill an arena on his own, so why would he bother playing a theatre.


Great post, thats 100% the truth :thumb:

Ok, I can't stand guitar virtuoso music but Steve Vai and Joe Satriani can play ANY STYLE at the drop of a hat. They can play Djanjo style jazz, they can play big-box Joe Pass runs, they can play beebop, they can play slide blues, they can play delta blues, they can play classical, they can play whatever you want.

I love ed but he does not have that kind of range...he just doesn't. I prefer him to them but he's not that kind of chameleon player that can assume completely different identities on a whim. I don't think he ever wanted to be.

Broken = I never said they can't play any style. I can play some jazz, some blues, some metal, some classical, some country....but that don't mean I'm great at jamming (which I'm not). Vai and Satch compose music - they don't improvise as is patently obvious by using just the G3 references. Outside of their own music - they aren't great. There's a big difference here......People are accusing Ed of the very thing they're glorifying Satch and Vai for and they are not right.

I love Satch, Vai and any other great players.....but I know the distinction between the people in this context who can improvise and are comfortable free-falling to a degree (Yng, Gilbert, Petrucci etc) and those that ain't.......

Ed gets a bad rap here that ain't really justified.

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I know Satch has mentioned that they've invited EVH every year to join G3, perhaps one of these years he'll except the invite. I'd love to see him jam with Wolfie and AVH for about hour worth of instrumental tunes.

Since the general disbanding of VH in '99 I'd always hoped EVH would do something on his own, and if he took that something out on a tour like G3... wow! That'd just be a very cool new way to see EVH's musicianship. Perhaps he'll still do it sometime in the future.

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That was very cool!! and I dig what Ed does. This doesn't expand on the notion that he's not a "one trick pony" though. That title may be harsh but still. I think early in his career he showed an incredible mastery of the instrument with so many styles he recorded on albums. This though really is more of the same. Some licks are right out of stuff he had or put on later albums. The beginning was Women in love ish. One little lead fill right around 2:12 reminds me some of a part in Without you for example. I could pick out other things..Of course some of the licks are common EVH style and besides the backing band and bass player being a little more hyper than VH this is not very different at all from anything Ed has done. He is ripping it up and some is unique improvisation which I enjoyed a lot.

Something like Spanish Fly impresses me more and is more a reflection of how he could thrive in other styles. Which I greatly admire! Somewhere in the late 80's though he kinda stopped exploring it seems. So many Van Hagar solos are rehashes and so many of his performances with other musicians on Letterman or whatever were filled with the same ole same ole. Now I'm not saying ED sucks and all that it's just that prior to this rehash mode he entered(post Dave era) he was really pushing the envelope and all over the place on record..then it stopped. He was still a monster but imo became more of a one trick pony if you will. VH style rock, Vh style pop and VH style blues(with many licks recycled in each style of tune). This is cool but more of the same. I dig it though!:thumb: ..and never heard it b4!:thumb: :thumb:

Oh and it's not a bad thing to be a "one trick thing" Most rock guitarists are to a point and thats normal. Ed was superhuman though in the day but then became um predictable? Not in a bad way. He still came up with unique ideas but he really came up with wild stuff with CVH. Spanish fly on one record? Then and old blues slide tune on WACF..then a slap funk mean street intro.the wild sunday afternoon..! .a funky Push come to shove tune with amazing unique solo...then on DD a classical sounding piece Cathedral..a flamenco ish style intro on little guitars where he's cheating..and also Big bad Bill? then a cool boogie type tune Top Jimmy on 1984 and a little keyboard introduction 2 the band too... He created cool music with van hagar and did some unique things. Finish what you started is almost country chicken pickin' but it seems he settled in and stopped pushing the envelope. Maybe he lost interest in doing so. That started to disappoint me cause back when the CVH albums came out I would wonder when buying it...wtf did he come up with on this one?!? I would be so excited to find out and was never disappointed. He set the bar HIGH early thats the problem really. hehe Nothing lasts forever. He's an exceptional player and rock composer. My all time favorite really.

Peace

Oh and this post had nothing to do with CF. Sorry to be so off topic. CF kicks ass in it's own right and I'm excited about it. Just expressing some thoughts on EVH.

Man - I love some of the speculation / diisses on this site as far as Ed goes.

Who was the guy above who started saying Ed can't jam or something and only knows limitations as per his work with Van Halen.......

1) I've heard Ed jam on everything live with Luke, recording with Starfleet project extended EP with the tribute to Clapton (when he breaks a string and keeps going) to recording of him in the studio just shredding. Ed has plenty

2) Do you really think Vai and Satch are great at jamming? They ain't....watch G3 where Yngwie and Petrucci smoke them both. I love Vai and Satch - but saying they can jam but Ed can't is garbage. They indeed can only play within the confines of their own music.......

3) I know Vai and Ed are mates seen some pics to support this. I'm sure Satch is as well........

4) Satch has indeed tried to get Ed to do G3 - however he duly noted that Ed can fill an arena on his own, so why would he bother playing a theatre.

I think you are talking about me. The fact is, as others outline below, to even go as far as to quote one, EVH is a one trick pony. Maybe more than one trick, but he is not as diverse a player as Vai or Satch. If you don't see that, you are living in complete denial.

As for "jamming" I never said that Vai or Satch are good at "jamming" if by "jamming" you mean in the style of Phish or Grateful Dead, however, I suspect that they could both do that if they wanted to as well.

Both Vai and Satch are considered "fusion" players. Do you know what that means? That means they can play rock, jazz, classical, blues, bluegrass, chicken pickin', flamenco, be-bop, disco, funk, etc. They can play any God damn thing they want and the only guitar player I've ever heard who was more diverse than Satriani, would be David T. Chastain.

I did say that Van Halen is insecure and doesn't leave the confines of Van Halen style playing. You feel that Satch and Vai don't leave the confines of their style, so let's put it this way: Eddie Van Halen stays within the confines of his style, which, is about the size of California, while Vai and Satriani stay within the confines of their style(s) of playing, which, is about the size of the Western Hemisphere.

Ok, I can't stand guitar virtuoso music but Steve Vai and Joe Satriani can play ANY STYLE at the drop of a hat. They can play Djanjo style jazz, they can play big-box Joe Pass runs, they can play beebop, they can play slide blues, they can play delta blues, they can play classical, they can play whatever you want.

I love ed but he does not have that kind of range...he just doesn't. I prefer him to them but he's not that kind of chameleon player that can assume completely different identities on a whim. I don't think he ever wanted to be.

Thank you


Broken = I never said they can't play any style. I can play some jazz, some blues, some metal, some classical, some country....but that don't mean I'm great at jamming (which I'm not). Vai and Satch compose music - they don't improvise as is patently obvious by using just the G3 references. Outside of their own music - they aren't great. There's a big difference here......People are accusing Ed of the very thing they're glorifying Satch and Vai for and they are not right.

I love Satch, Vai and any other great players.....but I know the distinction between the people in this context who can improvise and are comfortable free-falling to a degree (Yng, Gilbert, Petrucci etc) and those that ain't.......

Ed gets a bad rap here that ain't really justified.


Again, you say they aren't that great playing outside of their own musical elements, but their musical ability far exceeds that of EVH. You make references to another skilled musician by the name of John Petrucci and also Yngwie Malmsteen. Let me tell you something. Yngwie is my favorite guitar player and there was a time when I simply just wanted to "be" Yngwie Malmsteen. But as much as I love the guy, let's be honest, he's made the same album fifteen times. His debut was awesome, Marching Out was basic hair metal, Trilogy was phenomenal, and then everything he did up until Inspiration and Facing the Animal was the same record made over and over. And then everything he made after Inspiration and Facing the Animal was the same record over and over. Yngwie at his best hasn't been put on record, and usually revolves around blues, like at the original Leo Fender Benefit concert and at the House of Blues. I'm sure G3 with Yngwie was great, but to say he's diverse would be criminal.

I think overall you are missing the point. You talk about being good at jamming and confuse that with the fact that we said Vai and Satch have more diversity to their style(s). Jamming has nothing to do with it.

NW - Wow, you went through a lot of effort to disprove what I was saying.....I can;t be arsed to do that so I'll just bulletpoint:

1) Where did I say Ed was as diverse as Vai / Satch?

2) Satch and Vai are absolutely not considered 'fusion' players. Frank Gambale yes, Vai and Satch - no. Vai hates jazz and admits it...

3) Your point about 'leaving the confines of his own playing' - at what point in my post did I say that. I did say that

4) My reference to Yngwie and Petrucci was in recognition of their ability to communicate with the instrument in an ad-hoc environment much more clearly than Vai and Satch. I tseemed like a good comparison as they were jamming on the same stage to the same groove........

Satch and Vai would not be able to take part in a free-form jam with John McLaughlin, Frank Gambale, Joe Pass (Rip) et-al...it ain't their bag. Yes, they can play whatever style - as can many people with jazz, county, classical tinged elements......but that sure don't make them fusion players.

Satch's playing is very blues-based, any other hints of playing in there are the same as Ed has done in the past. ie He will look for a way around a problem

He finds it hard to sweep - so he uses the technique he uses in Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing - sound like anyone we know who uses a different technique to get a similar effect???

I love Satch and Vai - two of my favourite players, but to call them fusion players is totally misguided....

Shit - I know I'd end up waffling! ;o)

Ha - Just read my point 3! Should really proof these things before posting LOL!

not sure how Steve Vai, who jammed with Frank Zappa, can be considered someone lacking improv skills.

Eddie, when he shows up to "jams" be they on SNL or at the places posted via youtube clips, relies on the same 4 or 5 bits and pieces....every time. He does what he does very well but it's basically the same thing every time.

Steve Vai could show up to a bluegrass jam session and fit right in and be phenomenal. Eddie would show up to a bluegrass jam and play the same four or five bits while the bluegrassers backed him up.

Steve Vai can play for an hour and never repeat the same phrase...Eddie has never shown that kind of skill.

And again, just to be clear, I say this as someone who doesn't own a single guitar virtuoso record by anyone. I've never cared for Vai or Satch for that matter but let's be honest here: on one side we have guys like Vai, Satch, and Eric Johnson...guys who are musical chameleons...who can make the guitar do anything they want...guys who have mastered every style, every mode, every approach the instrument and can, on the drop of a hat, improv over free-form jazz as quickly as they can play delta blues, as quickly as they can play beebop as quickly as they can play metal.

On the other hand we have guys like Ed who, yeah, a musical snob may call him simply a one-trick pony but that's sort of like saying "yeah, Nolan Ryan was a great pitcher but he couldn't hit for shit." Ed does what he does so incredibly well that he is who he is. I'm not going to rehash a bunch of crap we already know about him being an icon etc.

It's just two completely different approaches to music. On the one hand we have guys like Vai who seem to approach music from an almost clinical perspective, wanting to break everything down to its most basic level...to understand it and to master it as a craft. They could just as well be visionary chemical or mechanical engineers.

Then we have guys like Ed who look at the guitar as a means of expressing what they have inside them and nothing else.

I fall more into this category. I can't play you a jazz solo if you put a gun to my head. I cant explain to you one mode from another...I know one scale. I play to express something. I'll never be considered a great improv player, I'll never be considered a "complete" guitar player. I'm fine with that because for me it's not about playing guitar...it's about writing the music that I hear in my head and soul.

Put it this way...guys like Vai and Satch and Johnson can jam with anyone in any context.

Ed doesn't have to jam with anyone else...they have to jam with him.

NW - Wow, you went through a lot of effort to disprove what I was saying.....I can;t be arsed to do that so I'll just bulletpoint:

1) Where did I say Ed was as diverse as Vai / Satch?

2) Satch and Vai are absolutely not considered 'fusion' players. Frank Gambale yes, Vai and Satch - no. Vai hates jazz and admits it...

3) Your point about 'leaving the confines of his own playing' - at what point in my post did I say that. I did say that

4) My reference to Yngwie and Petrucci was in recognition of their ability to communicate with the instrument in an ad-hoc environment much more clearly than Vai and Satch. I tseemed like a good comparison as they were jamming on the same stage to the same groove........

Satch and Vai would not be able to take part in a free-form jam with John McLaughlin, Frank Gambale, Joe Pass (Rip) et-al...it ain't their bag. Yes, they can play whatever style - as can many people with jazz, county, classical tinged elements......but that sure don't make them fusion players.

Satch's playing is very blues-based, any other hints of playing in there are the same as Ed has done in the past. ie He will look for a way around a problem

He finds it hard to sweep - so he uses the technique he uses in Mystical Potato Head Groove Thing - sound like anyone we know who uses a different technique to get a similar effect???

I love Satch and Vai - two of my favourite players, but to call them fusion players is totally misguided....

Shit - I know I'd end up waffling! ;o)

Correct, a guy like Shawn Lane or Allan Holdsworth would be a fusion player.

The EVH bashing that goes on defies logic:eek:, we are all on a Van Halen forum because we like Van Halen.

Naked Wake, checkout some Shawn Lane or Steve Morse both kick Malmsteens arse IMHO, I like EVH's playing, I believe he can play outside VH as I posted, he did, anyone with the balls to get on stage with GOD = Allan Holdsworth, must be a complete guitarist ;)

Correct, a guy like Shawn Lane or Allan Holdsworth would be a fusion player.

The EVH bashing that goes on defies logic:eek:, we are all on a Van Halen forum because we like Van Halen.

Naked Wake, checkout some Shawn Lane or Steve Morse both kick Malmsteens arse IMHO, I like EVH's playing, I believe he can play outside VH as I posted, he did, anyone with the balls to get on stage with GOD = Allan Holdsworth, must be a complete guitarist ;)


I love Steve Morse. I know he's a complete player.

I love Steve Morse. I know he's a complete player.


Da greatest all round guitarist IMHO
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My guitar god can beat your guitar god !!!!! :scared:

Ed doesn't have to jam with anyone else...they have to jam with him.

I love that line :)

Broken - How much of Zappa was improv?

None of it.

Satch and Vai (and Yngwie, Gilbert, Ed etc) have signature licks that they repeat - they all do.

As far as being a gifted allrounder - Morse is just the man! Met him at a clinic a couple of years back - awesome player and a top guy....he can be put into a free-form area outside of his own music and play.

Guys - there is no argument from me about the quality of Vai , Satch etc.......but as far as improvising (which is an art in itself) there are MUCH better players out there......

..and the guy who made the comment about others having to adjust to Ed yadda yadda - have you really done your research? I think the distinction here is that Ed used to care...he wanted to be numero uno and would play with Holdsworth, Jeff Berlin etc etc to keep his chops up.......but as he's got older (as with most people) the hunger died away. We all saw it coming....gone were Eruption, Spanish Fly, Little Guitars, Cathedral, Fools etc etc.......and we ended up with how many say I!

I've always thought of guitarists like Vai and Malmsteen (and to a lesser extent Satriani) as exhibiting some form of musical autism. There's no questioning their mastery of the instrument, but there is some piece missing. Its beautiful, but fragile...in a "look, but don't touch it" way. To me, the opposite of a Vai or a Malmsteen would be a blues or grunge player, who lacks the technical mastery, but pours their soul out through the guitar. And somewhere in the middle, you get people like Eddie and SRV and Gilmour...folks who have unquestionably mastered the instrument, but are able to temper the wanking with some humanity.

I've always thought of Ed's solos (on the albums, not live) as his way of saying "look what I could do if I felt like it." Another guitarist that reminds alot of Ed is Nuno...his solo stuff is very un-wankish, but on the Extreme albums he always seems to put in a little statement piece--kind of like a pitcher throwing inside. I think that's why Satch is so excited about Chickenfoot...he's always claimed to be an "accidental soloist" and this is his chance to prove what he could have been in a band.

I've always thought of guitarists like Vai and Malmsteen (and to a lesser extent Satriani) as exhibiting some form of musical autism. There's no questioning their mastery of the instrument, but there is some piece missing. Its beautiful, but fragile...in a "look, but don't touch it" way. To me, the opposite of a Vai or a Malmsteen would be a blues or grunge player, who lacks the technical mastery, but pours their soul out through the guitar. And somewhere in the middle, you get people like Eddie and SRV and Gilmour...folks who have unquestionably mastered the instrument, but are able to temper the wanking with some humanity.

I've always thought of Ed's solos (on the albums, not live) as his way of saying "look what I could do if I felt like it." Another guitarist that reminds alot of Ed is Nuno...his solo stuff is very un-wankish, but on the Extreme albums he always seems to put in a little statement piece--kind of like a pitcher throwing inside. I think that's why Satch is so excited about Chickenfoot...he's always claimed to be an "accidental soloist" and this is his chance to prove what he could have been in a band.

I agree with this post...well said. People often ask me why I can't/don't listen to the Yngwies of the world since I so passionately enjoy Ed and Nuno but for me there's such a huge difference between them.

I agree with this post...well said. People often ask me why I can't/don't listen to the Yngwies of the world since I so passionately enjoy Ed and Nuno but for me there's such a huge difference between them.


Look at Mattias Eklundh he is fantastic, I can listen to him for hours and never get bored he is technically gifted and clean as hell. He reminds me of a guy who took EVH to a whole new level and you can hear EVH in his playing yet he is not a clone. BTW checkout ART METAL :D
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He rocks - his sense of humour is amazing...never seen anyone get harmonics like that....there's a clip somewhere where he's doing a clinic in a shopping mall and he's just hysterical!

He rocks - his sense of humour is amazing...never seen anyone get harmonics like that....there's a clip somewhere where he's doing a clinic in a shopping mall and he's just hysterical!

He is one hell of a guitarist, I wish I could play like that, the way people are dissing EVH you would think he played for the B-52's, EVH is way beyond his albums, he was so damn good when he was young he could hold his own with any guitarist on the planet, he started a revolution, IMHO he did more for rock guitar than Jimi, Satch is awesome I just do not think he went beyond Van Halen.

I always liked Vai, he never reached the heights of EVH, I was reading his tour diary, he said he was playing in the house that Ed built, he also never had the energy on stage like EVH.

He is one hell of a guitarist, I wish I could play like that, the way people are dissing EVH you would think he played for the B-52's, EVH is way beyond his albums, he was so damn good when he was young he could hold his own with any guitarist on the planet, he started a revolution, IMHO he did more for rock guitar than Jimi, Satch is awesome I just do not think he went beyond Van Halen.

I always liked Vai, he never reached the heights of EVH, I was reading his tour diary, he said he was playing in the house that Ed built, he also never had the energy on stage like EVH.

Ricky Wilson, original guitar player for the B52s (now dead) was awesome.

Not a virtuoso by any means and certainly not the kind of player most of you guys would consider "great" but he's awesome.

Strickland who took over the guitar work after Wilson died ain't too shabby either!

Look at Mattias Eklundh he is fantastic, I can listen to him for hours and never get bored he is technically gifted and clean as hell. He reminds me of a guy who took EVH to a whole new level and you can hear EVH in his playing yet he is not a clone. BTW checkout ART METAL :D
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Sorry, but I just found that to be incredibly boring.

While I won't deny the dude has chops, that was one of the most soul-less things I've ever heard come from a guitar.

Not trying to start an argument here - I'm glad you like his playing - to each his own, but I'd put Paul Gilbert up against this dude any day of the week.
Paul shreds like that but HIS sense of humor and soul is WAY more evident to me than this guy.

Just my $.02.

I wasn't going to say anything but yeah, that guy does not do anything for me. A lot of physical skill, the guy has speed and dexterity in spades...but nothing even remotely musical in that whole clip.

Just my opinion. i don't want to turn this into some debate over the guy's ability, or sense of humour, or soul or whatever else. I just don't like him. he's exactly the kind of guitar player I hate listening to.

I wasn't going to say anything but yeah, that guy does not do anything for me. A lot of physical skill, the guy has speed and dexterity in spades...but nothing even remotely musical in that whole clip.

Just my opinion. i don't want to turn this into some debate over the guy's ability, or sense of humour, or soul or whatever else. I just don't like him. he's exactly the kind of guitar player I hate listening to.

He is the type of player I can listen too for hours, I like Paul Gilbert as well, I think they are peers.
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He is the type of player I can listen too for hours, I like Paul Gilbert as well, I think they are peers.
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Paul Gilbert is awesome.

Paul Gilbert is awesome.


So is Mattias

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I find this entertaining and kinda interesting. Some cool stuff if you can hang with it. give it a few mins b4 he actually starts playing something. lol

Bottom line folks is that I love most of the really good players......Paul Gilbert is just incredible and has easily the best picking technique of anyone I've seen / heard - love his attitude.

I know EVH and Vai are friends. There's a video of Vai at a seminar or a school of something, and he was talking about how a guitarist's sound comes from his fingers. The example he used was, one time EVH was hanging over at Vai's and he grabbed Vai's guitar to demonstrate what he was talking about.
And Vai said, he picked up my guitar, hooked to my amp and electronics....and there was Edward. (meaning the sound)

Yeah. I've got this clinic on DVD and was about to post this, so thanks for saving me the time. Ed and Vai have been friends for years. As far back as when Vai was in Frank's band. There is an interview with Dweezil from the early 90's and he talk about Frank, Ed, Vai and himself sitting around in a circle passing Ed's purple Kramer around and jamming for hours. Ed and Vai worked together on Dweezils first single "You're mother is a space cadet / Crunchy Water" or whatever its called. Ed has also recorded at Vai's Mothership Studio.

THe ED/Satch/Peavey thing... I read an interview with Satch years ago and he said that when his amps were stolen in '94/'95, he obviously had to get new amps to do the "Joe Satriani" album and Ed sent him a 5150. He used it on some of the album. You can see it in the "Reel Satriani" home video.

He also went to Ed's house to ask Andy Johns if he would work with him on the Extremist. So I guess they have been friends for a while.

Blackmore is great. Completely different kind of player than that Matias guy.

Have you seen Blackmore on the California Jam in 73 (I think).......great sound from a Strat and Burn / Mistreated are such awesome tracks!

Not sure about the weave though!!! ;o)

"Ed has also recorded at Vai's Mothership Studio." Interesting....I knew they were friends, but was not aware Ed had recorded at Vai's studio. Cool.

Yeah. I've got this clinic on DVD and was about to post this, so thanks for saving me the time. Ed and Vai have been friends for years. As far back as when Vai was in Frank's band. There is an interview with Dweezil from the early 90's and he talk about Frank, Ed, Vai and himself sitting around in a circle passing Ed's purple Kramer around and jamming for hours. Ed and Vai worked together on Dweezils first single "You're mother is a space cadet / Crunchy Water" or whatever its called. Ed has also recorded at Vai's Mothership Studio.

THe ED/Satch/Peavey thing... I read an interview with Satch years ago and he said that when his amps were stolen in '94/'95, he obviously had to get new amps to do the "Joe Satriani" album and Ed sent him a 5150. He used it on some of the album. You can see it in the "Reel Satriani" home video.

He also went to Ed's house to ask Andy Johns if he would work with him on the Extremist. So I guess they have been friends for a while.


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EVH has influenced every accomplished rock guitarist from 1980 to the present.

And any of those top guys, from Luke to Gilbert to Vai to Satch to Nuno probably wants nothing more for EVH than that he stays clean, beats his demons and makes more great music.

My view, as a musician and as a fan, is that EVH hit his technical peak sometime around Fair Warning and his song writing grew lazier after 1984/5150. Any number of guitarists since then have taken the techniques that EVH pioneered and expanded them and brought them to new levels of technical difficulty.

But greater technical difficulty does not make the music, or even mean that the guitar playing is, objectively "better". Musical taste is necessarily subjective and on a VH board not surprisingly folks are going to prefer EVH.

But if you don't need annoying lead singers and bad lyrics diluting the guitar, VH music can be a great bridge to expanding into a endless list of fantastic guitarist making incredible music. And if Holdsworth and Eklund are too abstract, a guy like Andy Timmons might be an easier transition to instrumental guitar music. The dude can play anything, but always keeps the chops in the pocket and lets the song come through.

In the end for me, picking up new music every year from Satch, Vai, EJ, Morse, Gilbert etc. is a lot more fun than waiting for EVH to put out something new or endlessly rehashing how great EVH was 25 years ago.

IMO there is no doubt that EVH had a HUGE impact or rock guitar in the 80's and beyond..but especially in the 80's. His innovations will forever be an integrated part of rock guitar and some rock guitarist even decades from now and beyond will benefit from his influence whether it's intentional or unintentional. Whether they know who he was or his music or not.

IMO over time his influence has become much more muddled, copied, and distant though. Sure by the late 80's a ton of hair metal bands and others emulated a lot of what he did. He was a HUGE influence THEN. Ed was a big catalyst and maybe the most noteable influence during THAT period but then others came along and took the torch and took things A LOT further. We are talking rock.hard rock guitar. Vai for example and Gilbert took it further. You could enter in about 50 more shred type "virtuoso" type guitarists that emerged that changed guitar after Ed. Look at modern shred bands like Dragonforce or even DreamTheatre whos been around(there is a TON of them). There may be some Ed influence there but it's more Vai and the other hyper shredder types they are emulating more directly, not Ed. You can go on Youtube and see thousands of kids under the age of 18 that absolutely shred and they probably think Ed is a slowpoke old fashioned style in comparison to what they are playing...and learning off internet tabs, videos, software and what not.

The problem I have with a lot of that stuff, and I am a fan of some hyper fast stuff is a lot of it is simply technique. There isn't a lot of musical knowledge or tasteful note choices associated with it. All intense flash.

Something a lot of them can/should STILL learn from Ed is feel, heart, soul, note selection(especially the CVH solos) and exceptional RHYTHM playing. Ed gets credit for his flashy licks at the time but the real meat of his genius is his rhythm playing and compositional skills. imo In that regard and in that genre ED has very few equals.

Look at modern shred bands like Dragonforce or even DreamTheatre whos been around(there is a TON of them).
The problem I have with a lot of that stuff, and I am a fan of some hyper fast stuff is a lot of it is simply technique. There isn't a lot of musical knowledge or tasteful note choices associated with it. All intense flash.

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Dragon Farce should never be said in the same sentence as DreamTheater !!!!!

John Petrucci is awesome and much more than just a shred player, plus EVH is the GODFATHER of shred ! listen to EVH here he has no Floyd Rose at the time !!

Just listen to his blistering of his axe, EVH just knew how to manhandle a guitar, this vid doesn't eat any oreos, it goes straight for the fucking chips-ahoy.
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I agree that DT's musicianship is on a higher level than DF. My point really was that they are a newer standard/influence than ED was where you are dealing with more intense techniques. On that level I think you can put them in the same sentence.

I agree ED is/was/is amazing but people have taken it further and I see that influence as much more prevalent in the younger axe slingers these days.

I agree that DT's musicianship is on a higher level than DF. My point really was that they are a newer standard/influence than ED was where you are dealing with more intense techniques. On that level I think you can put them in the same sentence.

I agree ED is/was/is amazing but people have taken it further and I see that influence as much more prevalent in the younger axe slingers these days.

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THAT's F'N AWESOME.

Now THERE's the sense of humor 'n' soul that I'm talkin' 'bout (pun intended)

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