I don't know if we're going to start a new thread everytime Dave talks about VH, but I thought this was interesting. Dave devoted the entire time I listened (7:45-8:30) this morning talking about music. Dave spent a lot of time talking about the Cream reunion and aging rockers. This led into a discussion about the Queen/Paul Rodgers tour. Dave ended up riffing on replacement singers, talking about Journey and Foreigner....which inevitably led into VH.

Dave posed the question should VH have continued calling itself VH after he left? He talked about truth in advertsing and alluded to not being thrilled with the "one Dave, one Sammy song" format of BOBW. He mentioned that Van Hagar only sold half as many records as the CVH. A caller phoned in to claim that Dave continued to carry on the VH sound with EEAS while VH did a left turn with 5150. The caller also praised MWM and CGTSNM as examples of how VH could have continued in 1996. Upon mentioning 1996 Dave went on to say that he was only brought in to "pimp a sagging product" and then he was replaced by ...he couldn't remember the name, and the product sagged further.

He also talked about how a singer and a guitarist have "signature sounds" that can't be replaced. He said maybe you can replace the bass player or the drummer but not the singer/guitarist. He talked about how if he heard a Hendrix song he'd never heard before, he would immed. recognize it as Jimi, or a Rod Stewart song as being sung by Rod.

Lot more, I'm probably forgetting. Dave also had some harsh words for Paul Rodgers and was incredulous Queen were performing Bad Company songs in concert. He wrote that off as Brian may being so desperate to get out there again, he was strong armed into it. He also didn't believe Rodgers deserved equal billing with Queen.

Overall, definitely Dave's most entertaining show yet, maybe that's because he kept the topic on music. The really annoying background music was still there though.

At least Queen put out re-releases with extra stuff on them. At least Queen put out DVD's and such for their fans.
I don't want to attack VH but since Freddie left Queen has done more than VH has. I guess it's just my frustration talking.
Dave is hosting a radio morning show, while Paul Rodgers is out there in front of fans performing. Sounds like someone might be a little jealous!
Again, I guess it's the frustration talking.
Brian May is IN the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame. Yeah, I'm frustrated...

Freddie Mercury WAS Queen. The day Freddie died, Queen died, period. His voice and vocal arrangements can not be replaced, ever. VH should not be compared in that sense. Roth & Hagar aren't in the same league as Mercury as far as vocal ability. Brian May is not in the same league as Eddie as a guitar player..

FYI, you can listen live on the internet to Dave's show: HERE (http://www.davidleeroth.com/)

LOL He was brought in to salvage a sagging product, eh? VH's or his?

Freddie Mercury WAS Queen. The day Freddie died, Queen died, period. His voice and vocal arrangements can not be replaced, ever. VH should not be compared in that sense. Roth & Hagar aren't in the same league as Mercury as far as vocal ability. Brian May is not in the same league as Eddie as a guitar player..


One thing I forgot to mention, pretty funny. They talked about who would've been a better idea for Queen than Paul Rodgers. Someone mentioned George Michael, who they all thought would've been ok. Then Dave says "does that mean they would've had to perform Wake Me Up Before You Go Go"? Then Dave says "nah, they probably would've done Smokin in the Boys Room instead."

More examples of Dave just being Dave......

I personally Liked the Queen thing with Paul Rodgers. I thought he blended his style of singing on those tunes decently. Had it not been for Rodgers involvment, I wouldn't have been interested since I'm not really a Queen fan.

One thing I forgot to mention, pretty funny. They talked about who would've been a better idea for Queen than Paul Rodgers. Someone mentioned George Michael, who they all thought would've been ok. Then Dave says "does that mean they would've had to perform Wake Me Up Before You Go Go"? Then Dave says "nah, they probably would've done Smokin in the Boys Room instead."

That's funny!

Queen has done more than VH has since Freddie left? Freddie left? Well he died, I guess you could call that leaving. How have they done more than VH?

The sagging product Dave is talking about is obviously his non-existent solo career at the time. Didn't Dave tell Eddie at the time he hadn't sung for 6 months? Yep, right on top of his game. :rolleyes:

I think it's great that Dave has remained so humble over the years. :)

What are y'all talkin' 'bout? Roth had just conquered Las Vegas an' that ol' blue-hair lounge lizard crowd.:D

Dave posed the question should VH have continued calling itself VH after he left?

:confused:

A caller brought up that subject not Dave.

I think it's great that Dave has remained so humble over the years. :)

:funny:

It explains why he is where he is and where he ain't. :p


If it makes him happy, Roth on.

:confused:

A caller brought up that subject not Dave.

I believe it was Dave. In any case, Dave just threw the question out there, he wasn't being critical of VH. One of his sidekicks, don't know her name yet, pointed out that VH was different from other bands in that it was also Eddie's name. Unless a caller first posed the question before I started listening, it was Dave that brought it up. He didn't make a big deal out of it though.

Of course Dave was going to say that he was "pimped into saving a sagging product." It's HIS point of view. I'm sure Eddie has a different viewpoint.

Like in any relationship, there are many sides to the story. To this day, we still have lots of unanswered questions regarding VH from the breakup in '85 and '96.

:funny:

It explains why he is where he is and where he ain't. :p


If it makes him happy, Roth on.

Yea man. Just more of Dave being Dave. Gotta love him.

Ya know, if the 96 fiasco were to happen in this day and time, it simply wouldn't make that big of an impact financially for the band. I for one wouldn't have bought a best of collection of tunes I already own and would have downloaded the two new tunes. The only way this band will ever make mucho denero again is if they tour the original band. Period.

I agree 100% with Dave's opinion of what happened.

They used Dave to spike the sales, nothing more. If there were a few new Roth tunes on this last disc BOBW is would have sold double the amount it did. Does anyone here doubt that?

HAHAHA. Pimped into savine a sagging product. Balance and FUCK, Number one milion seller. YFLM and ALAE, are they even still in print? :D
I think a Dave reunion would be cool but I also think he is pounding the final nails in CVH coffin with this radio show. It's cool he finally talked about music though. I wish We had this show in portland rather then Adam dipshit Carola.

Also with the post above, yes I agree him coming in had to do with boosting sales for the greates hits. Ray Danials wanted that money and I"ll bet thousand bucks it was his idea. I belive Sammy or MIke have said it was.

If there were a few new Roth tunes on this last disc BOBW is would have sold double the amount it did. Does anyone here doubt that?

Yes. See Wees's post for the reason why.

I believe it was Dave. In any case, Dave just threw the question out there, he wasn't being critical of VH. One of his sidekicks, don't know her name yet, pointed out that VH was different from other bands in that it was also Eddie's name. Unless a caller first posed the question before I started listening, it was Dave that brought it up. He didn't make a big deal out of it though.

Yeah no problem bro.

I had just dropped off the kids at school. So it was approx. 8:30 AM EST. I'm sure they'll be a copy of the show avaiable at the Army or DDLR real soon.

I agree 100% with Dave's opinion of what happened.

They used Dave to spike the sales, nothing more. If there were a few new Roth tunes on this last disc BOBW is would have sold double the amount it did. Does anyone here doubt that?

I agree my friend & VH/DLR have been paying for it music wise ever since!


I for one love this radio gig - at least he's giving us something to debate everyday - unlike the rest of 'em!!

Disagree with him over Queen though - I saw them in Manchester last year & they blew the roof off - if you went expecting a "Freddie" then course it would be a let down but to alot of people who had not seen em live with THE QUEEN it was maybe their first & last opportunity to see messrs May & Taylor play the old stuff & they did not disappoint - just the same as you go & see Dave sing CVH now!!

So what's this about Dave being a DJ? :cool:

HAHAHA. Pimped into savine a sagging product. Balance and FUCK, Number one milion seller. YFLM and ALAE, are they even still in print? :D
I think a Dave reunion would be cool but I also think he is pounding the final nails in CVH coffin with this radio show. It's cool he finally talked about music though. I wish We had this show in portland rather then Adam dipshit Carola.

Also with the post above, yes I agree him coming in had to do with boosting sales for the greates hits. Ray Danials wanted that money and I"ll bet thousand bucks it was his idea. I belive Sammy or MIke have said it was.

People, we need to move on. Sadly, neither Roth nor Edward has really produced much worthy product in a decade. We are still wasting time arguing about EEAS and OU812? Dave really screwed the boys back in 1985
and was probably led astray by asshole managers and attorneys. They dropped his ass fast once his product got cold and latched on to the next big thing. Ed and Al were likewise led astray in 96 by that f^&*face Daniels and really screwed Roth and Sammy.
The money men may have known that the VH run of success was over by their internal maketing info/demographics and the mental and physical state of its namesake guitarist. Daniels probably conned Ed into squeezing the last few shillings out of the classic catalog by bringing Roth in, releasing a greatest hits, floating the idea of a temporary reunion with Roth and Ed probably wasn't savvy enough to realize what was happening.

Noone who really cared about Ed would have let him release the album and videos for VH III. It sounds like a really good demo, not the product of a world class HOF band.


Anyone even remotely familiar with Roth knows you have to take what he says and sift through it for the kernels of truth. This statement rings true.

I agree 100% with Dave's opinion of what happened.

They used Dave to spike the sales, nothing more. If there were a few new Roth tunes on this last disc BOBW is would have sold double the amount it did. Does anyone here doubt that?


yes

I says...you gotta play the cards you got...

I wish Dave would lay off the VH references and focus on other things that will get his radio career off the ground.

I personally Liked the Queen thing with Paul Rodgers. I thought he blended his style of singing on those tunes decently. Had it not been for Rodgers involvment, I wouldn't have been interested since I'm not really a Queen fan.

I'm with you. Paul Rogers kicks absolute butt on that live DVD. I think that he comes close to having the best LIVE voice I have ever heard, just incredible. I love the way he sings the Queen songs and All Right Now etc kick ass.
I never knew much about that guy but he blew my mind.

All I know is there were a whole bunch of smiling faces in the massive audience (especially young kids) and those guys put on a hell of a show.
To see half of Queen with an awesome singer and those awesome songs is a wonderful opportunity for anyone who never saw them live. I just thank my lucky stars I got to see Queen with Freddie, an experience that still burns bright in my memory.

People, we need to move on. Sadly, neither Roth nor Edward has really produced much worthy product in a decade. We are still wasting time arguing about EEAS and OU812? Dave really screwed the boys back in 1985
and was probably led astray by asshole managers and attorneys. They dropped his ass fast once his product got cold and latched on to the next big thing. Ed and Al were likewise led astray in 96 by that f^&*face Daniels and really screwed Roth and Sammy.
The money men may have known that the VH run of success was over by their internal maketing info/demographics and the mental and physical state of its namesake guitarist. Daniels probably conned Ed into squeezing the last few shillings out of the classic catalog by bringing Roth in, releasing a greatest hits, floating the idea of a temporary reunion with Roth and Ed probably wasn't savvy enough to realize what was happening.

Noone who really cared about Ed would have let him release the album and videos for VH III. It sounds like a really good demo, not the product of a world class HOF band.


Anyone even remotely familiar with Roth knows you have to take what he says and sift through it for the kernels of truth. This statement rings true.

Hey, great post.

Disagree with him over Queen though - I saw them in Manchester last year & they blew the roof off - if you went expecting a "Freddie" then course it would be a let down but to alot of people who had not seen em live with THE QUEEN it was maybe their first & last opportunity to see messrs May & Taylor play the old stuff & they did not disappoint - just the same as you go & see Dave sing CVH now!!

Lucky Bastard!

I agree 100% with Dave's opinion of what happened.

They used Dave to spike the sales, nothing more. If there were a few new Roth tunes on this last disc BOBW is would have sold double the amount it did. Does anyone here doubt that?

I highly doubt that. No one wanted to buy the same songs for a third time and yet it still hit 500k. They weren't going to do any better than that on a best of.

I agree my friend & VH/DLR have been paying for it music wise ever since!


I for one love this radio gig - at least he's giving us something to debate everyday - unlike the rest of 'em!!

Disagree with him over Queen though - I saw them in Manchester last year & they blew the roof off - if you went expecting a "Freddie" then course it would be a let down but to alot of people who had not seen em live with THE QUEEN it was maybe their first & last opportunity to see messrs May & Taylor play the old stuff & they did not disappoint - just the same as you go & see Dave sing CVH now!!

I agree, after seeing them at Sheffield, the night they recorded "Return of the Champions", (no I cant see myself on it.. bugger) the night wasn't about Rogers but about Queen's music, Rogers was just a conduit for that.. although a pretty shit hot conduit. As regards the billing, Brian May wont be bullied into anything by anyone.. he's one of the most level headed blokes in the industry.

I agree 100% with Dave's opinion of what happened.

They used Dave to spike the sales, nothing more. If there were a few new Roth tunes on this last disc BOBW is would have sold double the amount it did. Does anyone here doubt that?

And if I remeber correctly, Dave used VH, to "promote" his solo career.

If there were a few new Roth tunes on this last disc BOBW is would have sold double the amount it did. Does anyone here doubt that?

I do.

Most like to think that BOV1 sold better than BOBW because of the DLR tunes.

Doubtful in my mind. VH is a legendary band and a Greatest Hits is going to sell well no matter what "new material" is thrown on the disc. BOBW hasen't eclipsed Best of becasue it's just a repeat for the most part of the first GH's.

Folks shot their load on the first one.

Classic VH fans had no reason to buy BOBW. In fact CVH fans had 3 reasons not to but it. Adding 3 live CVH tracks sung by Sammy was a major insult and kept many fans away me included.

In my opinion, add a new Roth track and sales would have easily been 1MM+.

I'd have to agree with Dave on this ... There is really no band that has stayed the exact same and been as big or bigger with a new INTEGRIAL part of the band ....

You may say VH did and so did AC/DC ... but they both changed alot with new singers and became really new bands, VH to a greater extent. VH picked up alot of new fans with Sammy, so did AC/DC, but they both changed as well.

And when some bands thought there was no way they could change there direction and be as big with w new integrial part in the band they pulled up stumps and stopped ... ie. Led Zepplin ... I don't think the Stones replaced a huge part of there band in there change ...

I would love to hear examples of bands that have done this, as I can not think of any.

We are talking huge bands in their time, not folks like Iron Maiden changing singers ( 1st time ) or Def Leppard releaseing Pete for Phil ....

In the end I just want new Eddie material, is that too much to ask from the so called 10 albums worth of riffs at 5150 ?

Classic VH fans had no reason to buy BOBW. In fact CVH fans had 3 reasons not to but it. Adding 3 live CVH tracks sung by Sammy was a major insult and kept many fans away me included.

In my opinion, add a new Roth track and sales would have easily been 1MM+.
I think you'll find that "Best Of..." albums are not specifically targetted towards the hard-core fans. They're more for fans that have a passing interest in the band, ie might've bought 1 or 2 albums but nothing else.

As for your comment regarding new Roth tracks - its great to make a statement like that never will or never can be proven. Whats your point?

I'm with you. Paul Rogers kicks absolute butt on that live DVD. I think that he comes close to having the best LIVE voice I have ever heard, just incredible. I love the way he sings the Queen songs and All Right Now etc kick ass.
I never knew much about that guy but he blew my mind.

All I know is there were a whole bunch of smiling faces in the massive audience (especially young kids) and those guys put on a hell of a show.
To see half of Queen with an awesome singer and those awesome songs is a wonderful opportunity for anyone who never saw them live. I just thank my lucky stars I got to see Queen with Freddie, an experience that still burns bright in my memory.

Dave can go fuck himself in regards to his comments about the current Queen+Paul Rodgers (http://www.queenpluspaulrodgers.com/) tour... It's not, nor has ever been presented as "Queen", but just as it is, Queen+Paul Rodgers...

I have a feeling there's some issues between Dave and Paul from when Dave was an "Opening Act" during the 1999-2000 Bad Company tour...

I have a feeling there's some issues between Dave and Paul from when Dave was an "Opening Act" during the 1999-2000 Bad Company tour...


Man, I totally forgot about that outing.

Man, I totally forgot about that outing.

It was ok... But even sitting behind the soundboard, it was rough to watch at time... At least I had the chance to see Dave once...

Man, I totally forgot about that outing.



You're not the only one. ;)

I will start off by saying I admit I am a Hagar fan, I am also a CVH fan, I have most of the early DLR CD's and I have seen Roth solo.

Guess what I also saw Roth open for Bad Company and you know what, Roth can't carry Paul Rodgers jockstrap! Not in 1978, not now, not ever

I have listened to him talk about hagar and I laugh, I here him talk about eddie and I laugh as well, i here him talk about himself and I laugh even harder becasue he is such a entertainer.

But now we see that he has insecurity issues. That's why he says shit about Paul Rodgers,

The truth be told DLR is a washed up 80's rock band singer who wouldn't even be remembered without Eddie Van Halen and his being in the right place at the right time with a few good videos at the start of the entire MTV deal.

It's been a while since posting but this has been one of the few worth responding to. This thread has a lot to it with Dave sitting behind the mike, just not singing; replacement singers, Ray Daniels, ect... It is easy to get ramped up over Dave, well being Dave. Lets not forget Diamond Dave was the man for about a decade! *hush the applause*
Lets not forget Dave left VH not the other way around. VH did what they should have done as history shows it, in my humble opionion, which was getting Hagar as their next lead singer. Love the Red Rocker or not; for about a decade he filled the stadiums, made new music, and sold albums. *hush the applause*
I don't think VH ran out of time or fans when it came to making music for its fans. When Ray came on board is when it went down hill. They NEVER should have made a "best of" EVER! Not even Daves stuff. To me a Best of diluted their material and cheapend the band to that of the classic hair band of the eighties. I believe had the band just took their time to make a new album once ever three to four years the band would be as popular as ever.
I believe the band could have even worked with bringing Dave back into the fold too if it were not for Dave's ego. (who can blame him for that? His greatest strength is his biggest weakness)
There have been a several bands who either through death or disagreement needed to replace a lead singer or guitarist. It is absolutely true even with the success or failure that the band, even with the same name, in essance is a new band. Who cares? I don't. As long as the music is great it makes the band every bit better! Hell, even if they end up bad at least they are trying to do something.
I'm a big Hagar fan and think it is great that he is doing a new album with the wabos and cruise and all but hate the fact that VH is rusting away in the shed. I don't know if maybe even after last years tour that too much time passed for Ed and Sam? What a shame becuase I really thought given the right moment they would have made an album that would have been considered the only album to have if stranded on a secluded island (an island with a small generator and stereo)
Oh well. I am happy Dave is doing something but to recap the rant he had against VH's name and back up...whatever. He gave up any rights to it when he left. He only wished he had half the voice of Paul Rogers or Sammy Hagar or Freddie Mercury (dead). Ok, that was harsh. Maybe, Dave's voice isn't that bad but who can tell when he forgets the lyrics? Love him or not Dave's still an entertainer.

Yeah, alot of people agree about Dave's point that I know. They think having other palyers of once great bands is not the real deal. Alot of groups have done this and continue to do it. The Who is another with only half the band. I don't agree with Dave on all accounts. I will say alot of times the original incarnation of any band can be the best, most memorable, most ground breaking and most special. It is a magic that can't be duplicated often times.

Having said that,I have main floor tickets for Queen and Paul Rodgers. I don't think this lineup is intending to replace John Deacon and Freddie Mercury at all. I may even be a larger Queen fan than VH fan if that is possible! I know Paul Rodgers job is not to replace Freddie. It is for the fans and for Brian and Roger to work with someone who will give them an avenue to play for fans and markets they haven't done in 20 years. I think Queen fans especially are starved for something live since the great Queen lineup is not possible. I am happy to be seeing it. Hey at least Queen as an entity when Freddie was alive and thereafter has released what the fans want. The DVD for the Queen + Paul tour is awesome. One other interesting note is this. Like this tour and what it stands for or not-There is a demand for it. Promoters asked for it when Queen +Rodgers did the 2 shows in the US in October. NJ and LA. So naysayers can stay home. Those who want to celebrate the band can go. Like me.

I don't want Dave to stop. I like Van Halen talk...positive or negative. A time will come when he tells stories of the old days, and who doesn't want to hear that? Shit I don't care if his show becomes the Van Halen Show.

Having said that...the man can be a shit bird, but he is what he is. Let him speak his mind about the Van Halen stuff...shit, 22.5% might wind up being true...and who doesn't like a little Van Halen discussion with their coffee? (We're all here, right?)

Here's another point...and I'm leaning Dave today by the way...BOBW would have sold more copies if Dave and VH had a couple new tunes on there, in addition to the Sammy new tunes. People, come on...of course it would have...or even just new Dave would have gotten people to Best Buy more...We've had two VH tunes with Dave in 20 some odd years, who wouldn't want more? Yea, they attract casual fans with Best Of's, but they get the die hards with tidbits...A lot of diehards wanted to hear from Dave and the boys in 2000...so there was a little more excitement...no disrespect to his Redness.

I don't know if we're going to start a new thread everytime Dave talks about VH, but I thought this was interesting. Dave devoted the entire time I listened (7:45-8:30) this morning talking about music. Dave spent a lot of time talking about the Cream reunion and aging rockers. This led into a discussion about the Queen/Paul Rodgers tour. Dave ended up riffing on replacement singers, talking about Journey and Foreigner....which inevitably led into VH.

Dave posed the question should VH have continued calling itself VH after he left? He talked about truth in advertsing and alluded to not being thrilled with the "one Dave, one Sammy song" format of BOBW. He mentioned that Van Hagar only sold half as many records as the CVH. A caller phoned in to claim that Dave continued to carry on the VH sound with EEAS while VH did a left turn with 5150. The caller also praised MWM and CGTSNM as examples of how VH could have continued in 1996. Upon mentioning 1996 Dave went on to say that he was only brought in to "pimp a sagging product" and then he was replaced by ...he couldn't remember the name, and the product sagged further.

He also talked about how a singer and a guitarist have "signature sounds" that can't be replaced. He said maybe you can replace the bass player or the drummer but not the singer/guitarist. He talked about how if he heard a Hendrix song he'd never heard before, he would immed. recognize it as Jimi, or a Rod Stewart song as being sung by Rod.

Lot more, I'm probably forgetting. Dave also had some harsh words for Paul Rodgers and was incredulous Queen were performing Bad Company songs in concert. He wrote that off as Brian may being so desperate to get out there again, he was strong armed into it. He also didn't believe Rodgers deserved equal billing with Queen.

Overall, definitely Dave's most entertaining show yet, maybe that's because he kept the topic on music. The really annoying background music was still there though.


I listened to the last two hours via Dave's radio site - it was highly entertaining. Dave really shines in this role, IMO, and his intelligence/quick-wit/scope are a huge part of why non-idiots will appreciate his show...

I love both eras of VH. The Dave era and the Sam Era. In fact when I first got 5150 I thought Sammy sucked on it because it wasn't Dave. Then I listened to it a few more times and realized what a perfect match Sammy was for Van Halen. They would never have lasted as long as they did if Dave had fronted the band. Sammy gave Eddie the abililty to write any kind of music he wanted in any key he wanted and Sammy would nail it.

In 1996 Ed missed Sam so badly, that he tried to make Dave sound like Sammy on the two Best of Vol. 1 tracks and tried to make Gary Cherone sound like Sammy on 3.

I think 3 would have been successful if they gone in and made a straight-ahead Van Halen album. They blew it with Cherone.

"Brought in to pimp a sagging product"?.Kinda , no EXACTLY like what HE is doing now, using VH to get listeners to his "sagging' radio show!! What a moron.Three months tops............ :sleep:

Here's another point...and I'm leaning Dave today by the way...BOBW would have sold more copies if Dave and VH had a couple new tunes on there, in addition to the Sammy new tunes.
I would've been disappointed if it hadn't, but in reality, if they had enough time to do new tunes with both Sammy and Dave (which is a stretch to consider in the first place) surely they wouldn't have been that far away from a complete album.

As for your comment regarding new Roth tracks - its great to make a statement like that never will or never can be proven. Whats your point?

Since when does an opinion need a point?

Not sure what your point is actually...

I'm gonna say only one thing.

Freddy Mercury, dying of aids, weighing 90 pounds, still had the courage and energy, to stand up and record "Innuendo," Queen's final album (and a damn good one at that).

While in 2006, all VH members past and present are healthy enough to play and record music, but can't bring themselves together to produce new VH music. They prefer to spend endless time debating, muling, hesitating... and in the end doing nothing - with their ego the main obstacle. What a fucking SHAME!

"Doubtful in my mind. VH is a legendary band and a Greatest Hits is going to sell well no matter what "new material" is thrown on the disc. BOBW hasen't eclipsed Best of becasue it's just a repeat for the most part of the first GH's.

Folks shot their load on the first one."

I think they could have sold SOME more copies had they made the
collection alittle better. I actually bought BOBW last month (I really
don't know why) and even though it's a decent collection... There
are too many good songs left off:

Ice Cream Man
Humans Being
Mean Street
Where Have All The Good Times Gone?
Sinner Swing!
Hear About It Later
Atomic Punk
Summer Nights
Top Jimmy
5150

They should have included The Who cover if they wanted a live song with
Sammy on it.


Would it have sold alot more? No

Why? Well, it's pretty clear than VH doesnt have any popularity left.
There is really nothing to bring in new fans and such.

Also, it drives me nuts that Fair Warning only got one song. Yeah,
it's got most of the chart toppers... But most people alright have
them. The only crowd VH has left is a hardcore crowd and should
have built the collection for them.

You have all Sammy's love songs.... Some of the songs such as
Finish What Ya Started, Pretty Woman are screwed up....

I probably haven't played the album as much as I should... But with
all the songs above missing, and songs like Little Dreamer, Fire In
The Hole, Without You, Once, Full Bug on not on there.. I more or less
still listen to my burned disks more.

It really ticks me off about Fair Warning... There are three VH albums
that stand out the most...

Van Halen-The great debut album that sounds 70's...

Fair Warning-Van Halen's most funky and the most serious VH album

1984-Pushing pop rock but in a good way.

Fair Warning as one of the VH's 3 best albums is severely mistreated.

I will start off by saying I admit I am a Hagar fan, I am also a CVH fan, I have most of the early DLR CD's and I have seen Roth solo.

Guess what I also saw Roth open for Bad Company and you know what, Roth can't carry Paul Rodgers jockstrap! Not in 1978, not now, not ever

I have listened to him talk about hagar and I laugh, I here him talk about eddie and I laugh as well, i here him talk about himself and I laugh even harder becasue he is such a entertainer.

But now we see that he has insecurity issues. That's why he says shit about Paul Rodgers,

The truth be told DLR is a washed up 80's rock band singer who wouldn't even be remembered without Eddie Van Halen and his being in the right place at the right time with a few good videos at the start of the entire MTV deal.

I saw Roth open for Bad Company in '99 and then I left. Van Hagar opened for Bon Jovi in '95.

VAN HAGAR OPENED FOR BON JOVI IN '95.

I saw Roth open for Bad Company in '99 and then I left. Van Hagar opened for Bon Jovi in '95.

VAN HAGAR OPENED FOR BON JOVI IN '95.

Yeah? In Europe, where Bon Jovi has much greater popularity than any other
American band, perhaps of all time. What's your point? :sleep:

First of all, VH were already working on the BOVI project when Dave caught wind of it and then *called Eddie* to get a piece of the pie. If anything, Dave was pimping himself. Secondly, he was the one pushing an immediate tour and subsequently cried about it when the plans were squashed. I wonder if Dave can explain why he was so anxious to help out poor ol' VH's sagging career.

I understand Dave may just being playing devil's advocate or looking for a way to spark the convo, but it seems to me he's more or less still got sour grapes about it.

it seems to me he's more or less still got sour grapes about it.


He and most of the fans that got all hot and bothered about the possibility of the reunion. Ever since BOV1, I havn't spent a dime on anything VH, nor will I ever, unless there is something released from the original lineup. Be it a tour, dvd of the early years or previously unreleased material.

i liked both eras, however the sammy era for me was just a time for new vh stuff until dave comes back. the classic vh is far superior of the two eras.

Ever since BOV1, I havn't spent a dime on anything VH, nor will I ever, unless there is something released from the original lineup. Be it a tour, dvd of the early years or previously unreleased material.

But you post on a VH message board?

The board doesn't belong to VH nor do they benefit from it financially. Next question?

The board doesn't belong to VH nor do they benefit from it financially. Next question?

It's been 10 years. Get over it. He's not coming back-he whines too much for Mike or the VH brothers to stand him for more than one tour date

One thing I forgot to mention, pretty funny. They talked about who would've been a better idea for Queen than Paul Rodgers. Someone mentioned George Michael, who they all thought would've been ok. Then Dave says "does that mean they would've had to perform Wake Me Up Before You Go Go"? Then Dave says "nah, they probably would've done Smokin in the Boys Room instead."

Classic Dave.

Freddie Mercury WAS Queen. The day Freddie died, Queen died, period. His voice and vocal arrangements can not be replaced, ever. VH should not be compared in that sense. Roth & Hagar aren't in the same league as Mercury as far as vocal ability. Brian May is not in the same league as Eddie as a guitar player..


Freddie was Queen.
Dave wasn't VH.

In 1996 Ed missed Sam so badly, that he tried to make Dave sound like Sammy on the two Best of Vol. 1 tracks and tried to make Gary Cherone sound like Sammy on 3.

I think 3 would have been successful if they gone in and made a straight-ahead Van Halen album. They blew it with Cherone.

Though your statement about Gary holds water, your one about Dave does not. Dave more or less "spoke" the lyrics on "MWM" and did his usual crooning style on "CGTSNM". Even my father-in-law, who isn't a VH fan, said he thought it was Hagar singing on "Without You". "3" is a decent album, with only maybe 3 or 4 good cuts on it, but unlike what Ed said in '98 after its release, no matter how many times you listen to it, it just won't grow on you. It definitely doesn't spend a whole lot of time in my CD player.

It's been 10 years. Get over it.

Actually its irrelevant at this point. The more I think about it, it probably would only be a half hearted attempt to cash out anyway. :sleep:

Though your statement about Gary holds water, your one about Dave does not. Dave more or less "spoke" the lyrics on "MWM" and did his usual crooning style on "CGTSNM". Even my father-in-law, who isn't a VH fan, said he thought it was Hagar singing on "Without You". "3" is a decent album, with only maybe 3 or 4 good cuts on it, but unlike what Ed said in '98 after its release, no matter how many times you listen to it, it just won't grow on you. It definitely doesn't spend a whole lot of time in my CD player.


After the spoken part of the first two verses, Dave sings in a high key that he can't handle and all the way through chorus on Me Wise Magic. Sounds like Ed is trying to push him to sound like Sammy to me. They even said it took two months for Dave to pick some music he could write lyrics too, and also took him two weeks to do the vocals on those two songs. Sam could have nailed those songs in one take!

Actually its irrelevant at this point. The more I think about it, it probably would only be a half hearted attempt to cash out anyway. :sleep:

Eddie worships the devil and sacrafices lambs too, but I bet that wouldn't stop you from checking message boards everyday to gather new information about him either.

Actually edward has been a non issue in main for a long time. If I want to find out anything about him I check out the two dorks show :sssh:

After the spoken part of the first two verses, Dave sings in a high key that he can't handle and all the way through chorus on Me Wise Magic. Sounds like Ed is trying to push him to sound like Sammy to me. They even said it took two months for Dave to pick some music he could write lyrics too, and also took him two weeks to do the vocals on those two songs. Sam could have nailed those songs in one take!
You've gotta be kidding. :wtf: Dave's voice is fantastic on that song, he easily maintains the high key and his low tones at the start are just awesome. Dave absolutely sings his heart out on this song. This is definitely not a song that Sammy would be able to sing.

You've gotta be kidding. :wtf: Dave's voice is fantastic on that song, he easily maintains the high key and his low tones at the start are just awesome. Dave absolutely sings his heart out on this song. This is definitely not a song that Sammy would be able to sing.

Agreed. Plus the song just oooozes the CVH sound.

Steak n Potatoe, Feather n a Bucket :thumb:

You've gotta be kidding. :wtf: Dave's voice is fantastic on that song, he easily maintains the high key and his low tones at the start are just awesome. Dave absolutely sings his heart out on this song. This is definitely not a song that Sammy would be able to sing.

It took him two weeks to cut that song! By the way I love the two Roth songs on BOV1. I am not anti-Roth, if there was a reunion with Roth I would love to see it in fact I was hoping for it in 2000-2001. But I am also realistic to know that Dave doesn't have it anymore. Sammy is a singer in class on his own far above Dave or Gary. Sammy would have put Roth to shame on Me Wise Magic. Plus I guarantee you they used Auto-Tune for those Roth vocals.

I don't undrstand why the Roth fans are so upset about the Sammy years. Roth quit the band, period. And they made some classic stuff with Sammy. Why can't people accept this!

Again, I am not anti-Roth, I have most of his solo work and like a lot of it and saw him a bunch of times on his first two solo tours. But I think Sammy is still the guy to cover all the bases for Van Halen at this point! He's still got the vocal chops.

You've gotta be kidding. :wtf: Dave's voice is fantastic on that song, he easily maintains the high key and his low tones at the start are just awesome. Dave absolutely sings his heart out on this song. This is definitely not a song that Sammy would be able to sing.


IMO, that's just Dave trying as hard as can to sound like "classic Dave". Given the fact that he hadn't done any singing in 6-12 months (Brett said earlier 6 months, I remember reading Dave said it had been a year), I still think he sounded fine, but nothing at all like Hagar.

I bought his "DLR Band" CD after the failed '96 reunion, and there are several songs where he's trying to sound like classic Dave with the classic screaming and yelping, and he just couldn't cut it.

As for Gary and his vocals on "III", Ed admitted in a Guitar World interview that the reason Gary sounded like he did on that disc is because he made him sing that way.

I'm gonna say only one thing.

Freddy Mercury, dying of aids, weighing 90 pounds, still had the courage and energy, to stand up and record "Innuendo," Queen's final album (and a damn good one at that).

While in 2006, all VH members past and present are healthy enough to play and record music, but can't bring themselves together to produce new VH music. They prefer to spend endless time debating, muling, hesitating... and in the end doing nothing - with their ego the main obstacle. What a fucking SHAME!
Excellent post.

You've gotta be kidding. :wtf: Dave's voice is fantastic on that song, he easily maintains the high key and his low tones at the start are just awesome. Dave absolutely sings his heart out on this song. This is definitely not a song that Sammy would be able to sing.
You have lost your mind.

Dave, trying to use that gargling-sounding, unnatural high voice is terrible.
He never used it before 1996, and the only reason he started trying was to show Eddie he had a high note....and he just doesn't.
And that's okay with me.

I love the song. But that stupid high part is what keeps it from being as good as the CVH stuff.

And as far as Sammy being able to sing it, the only part he might not be able to do well is the low part. He would do the high part much better than Dave could...and Sammy could do it live....Dave could never do that song live.

If Dave ever gets back with VH and they take a shot at MWM, Mikey will have to sing that high part.

"Me Wise Magic" is an awesome song, but Dave's voice is far below par. It's borderline awful on some sections, you can hear so much effect on it it's sick. And Dave has admitted he wasn't at his best. Ed's playing on it is fucking awesome though. Ed was on a roll, "Humans Being" was also a great tune written about the same time.

And I agree on that high-pitched stuff Dave does on MWM and now on his songs. Some vocal coach must have told him that was a good alternative to the loss of his a-capella scream...I don't know. I can't stand when he sings like that, it's fucking grating. It's just screaming, it has no body, no tone. It's nothing like Dave's voice on classic VH.

Say what you want about Sam, but the guy's voice is virtually the same as it was 25 years ago. He has taken better care of himself vocally than Dave has. Whether you like his voice or not is not the issue. The issue is his vocals are in far better shape than Dave's.

What I can't understand is why the fuck Dave is devoting so much of his show to VH? He's doing a radio show, trying to attract the casual listener and he sits and focuses so much fucking time to Van Halen? Do you really think Joe the Truck Driver gives a flying fuck about who the hell told Ed to stripe his guitar? It's boring to anyone outside a Van Halen diehard. Man no wonder he's getting slammed in a lot reviews by anyone other than a Dave or a VH fan. Shit I'm a VH fan, and I have no interest in his ramblings. I mean I guess if you love the guy, you're into this, but I just don't see what's interesting about this show.

Just go back to playing music Dave.

Thank god for Sirius.

What I can't understand is why the fuck Dave is devoting so much of his show to VH? He's doing a radio show, trying to attract the casual listener and he sits and focuses so much fucking time to Van Halen? Do you really think Joe the Truck Driver gives a flying fuck about who the hell told Ed to stripe his guitar? It's boring to anyone outside a Van Halen diehard. Man no wonder he's getting slammed in a lot reviews by anyone other than a Dave or a VH fan. Shit I'm a VH fan, and I have no interest in his ramblings. I mean I guess if you love the guy, you're into this, but I just don't see what's interesting about this show.

Just go back to playing music Dave.

Thank god for Sirius.

Hey Brett,

I think this show is very unique and is in a place much like Bill Maher has cut out for himself. A charector talent who plays in real world discussions at a very high level of knowledge. The guy is really smart, well versed and well spoken. He spent his first week shedding the Stern fans looking for strippers and wack pack types. Now he is building "his" audience of info-files. VH is a big part of who he is, so it's clear why he references it often and I have to believe that his radio demo is 30 - 54, so any VH or classic rock discussion is on target. It's definately the polar opposite of Stern (who I love) but the uniqueness should bring success. Gotta admit he is getting better and better. Also, I like his "global" webcast approach as it really undermined the national breadth of Sirius. Now I hear Stern is scrambling to get his webcast up and running ASAP.

I have Sirius and the good news is I can hear the Stern broadcast at night and the Roth podcast all day. Best of Both Worlds.

"Me Wise Magic" is an awesome song, but Dave's voice is far below par. It's borderline awful on some sections, you can hear so much effect on it it's sick. And Dave has admitted he wasn't at his best. Ed's playing on it is fucking awesome though. Ed was on a roll, "Humans Being" was also a great tune written about the same time.

And I agree on that high-pitched stuff Dave does on MWM and now on his songs. Some vocal coach must have told him that was a good alternative to the loss of his a-capella scream...I don't know. I can't stand when he sings like that, it's fucking grating. It's just screaming, it has no body, no tone. It's nothing like Dave's voice on classic VH.

Say what you want about Sam, but the guy's voice is virtually the same as it was 25 years ago. He has taken better care of himself vocally than Dave has. Whether you like his voice or not is not the issue. The issue is his vocals are in far better shape than Dave's.

Agreed. Dave's high end is shot.

But who the hell is taking David Lee Roth seriously?? The man wore ass-less chaps. Look, Dave was always entertaining and funny. Those two characteristics are key ingredients in a radio morning show host. I agree with Brett about how your average truck driver won't give a shit about old stories of VH, but I'm sure it's from callers (people like US) asking him questions about the old days. Is he supposed to ignore them? hang up the phone on them? No, he's taking calls just like everyone else.

And I'm not sure DLR is in a class like Bill Maher. That would be like Maher taking singing lessons to be like Roth. Dave has a long way to go to be in the ranks of someone like Maher.

And the comments regarding Dave's singing on Me Wise Magic, I agree some parts are horrendous, but the song is AWESOME! Now, can you imagine him singing that stuff LIVE for us in concert. Of course, I'd be there, but I would not be expecting much. It's funny, I'd rather hear Sammy sing nowadays, but I'd rather hear the old CLASSIC Van Halen songs. I can't win!

What I can't understand is why the fuck Dave is devoting so much of his show to VH?



.

I agree with what someone else said, its something that has to be addressed initially and gotten out of the way. I also believe that ultimately its good PR for VH. Good, bad or ugly.

Yeah? In Europe, where Bon Jovi has much greater popularity than any other
American band, perhaps of all time. What's your point? :sleep:

Yeah, that's still no excuse. The guitar player named Van Halen doesn't open for the guitar player named Sambora.:sleep:

I've listened to 20 minutes of Dave's show on 1/10 and 1/11, and there wasn't a single mention of VH.

I find Dave provacative and intellectually stimulating - at a high speed. For example, this morning, they were discussing about the legal age of consent. A 41-year old female caller said she lost her virginity at 16, and that in today's day and age, the age of consent should be lowered from 18 to 16. Dave's immediately asked the caller if it would be okay for that same 16-year old to pose nude in a porno magazine. You could almost hear the caller's eyebrows lifting and eyes widening as she was proposed something she had never thought of before.

Another talent Dave has, which I discovered this morning, was his ability to do voiceovers. I was listening to a Chevy commercial, and it wasn't until 20 seconds in that I realized it was Dave doing the commercial. He did a fantastic job.

I've listened to the show every day and Vh references have been minimal at most. He has only ever brought them up when something about the current discussion is relevant or as a quick one line snipe at Ed or Sam.

I though the firsts show was terrible, but after a couple of shows he has been finding his feet and I really enjoy the show now...I think Dave's doing a great Job.

Dave

What I can't understand is why the fuck Dave is devoting so much of his show to VH? He's doing a radio show, trying to attract the casual listener and he sits and focuses so much fucking time to Van Halen? Do you really think Joe the Truck Driver gives a flying fuck about who the hell told Ed to stripe his guitar? It's boring to anyone outside a Van Halen diehard. Man no wonder he's getting slammed in a lot reviews by anyone other than a Dave or a VH fan. Shit I'm a VH fan, and I have no interest in his ramblings. I mean I guess if you love the guy, you're into this, but I just don't see what's interesting about this show.

Just go back to playing music Dave.

Thank god for Sirius.

Where do you/did you get the idea that he's devoting so much of his show to VH? A disgruntled Hagarita fan?

Granted I do not listen to all 4 hours of his show but I'm enjoying the fuck out of it. He's a very interesting guy and "much" smarter than people think.

I used to listen to Stern years ago when I worked in NYC but I do not listen to him any longer. He's overrated IMO.

"Me Wise Magic" is an awesome song, but Dave's voice is far below par. It's borderline awful on some sections, you can hear so much effect on it it's sick. And Dave has admitted he wasn't at his best. Ed's playing on it is fucking awesome though. Ed was on a roll, "Humans Being" was also a great tune written about the same time.

And I agree on that high-pitched stuff Dave does on MWM and now on his songs. Some vocal coach must have told him that was a good alternative to the loss of his a-capella scream...I don't know. I can't stand when he sings like that, it's fucking grating. It's just screaming, it has no body, no tone. It's nothing like Dave's voice on classic VH.

Say what you want about Sam, but the guy's voice is virtually the same as it was 25 years ago. He has taken better care of himself vocally than Dave has. Whether you like his voice or not is not the issue. The issue is his vocals are in far better shape than Dave's.

Dead on post.

I wish they would have cut an entire album at that time with Sam or Dave, the music on Humans Being and MWM was just so dark and heavy it's insane.

How they ended up with the poo that is VH3 after writing such great music in 96 is still a mystery.

Where do you/did you get the idea that he's devoting so much of his show to VH? A disgruntled Hagarita fan?

Granted I do not listen to all 4 hours of his show but I'm enjoying the fuck out of it. He's a very interesting guy and "much" smarter than people think.

I used to listen to Stern years ago when I worked in NYC but I do not listen to him any longer. He's overrated IMO.


Agreed. I've listened to Dave for about 45 min. each morning on my way to work. Other than an off-hand remark here and there, Monday was the first time I heard him talk much about VH, and that all sprung from a conversation on music in general. It was because he spoke a bit more than usual on VH that I started this thread. That morning was the exception, not the rule.

I will say that hearing Dave's views on some of the other artists discussed was entertaining as hell. He should spend some time each week talking about music and other pop culture topics, he's unabashed and pretty sharp. I'm beginning to think this show is going to work.

How they ended up with the poo that is VH3 after writing such great music in 96 is still a mystery.

Because Gary was a "Yes" man whereas Dave and Sam weren't. It was the "Eddie Van Halen solo project" actually.

Because Gary was a "Yes" man whereas Dave and Sam weren't. It was the "Eddie Van Halen solo project" actually.

Good call - it was Eddies "solo" project & Gary was a yes man - van halen needs the "bad vibe" look at WACF, FW & the '96 stuff!!!

Maybe they should have got Paul Rodgers.....

Where do you/did you get the idea that he's devoting so much of his show to VH? A disgruntled Hagarita fan?

I don't know, must be the 500 threads on here and the Army about every sentence the guy utters on radio concerning VH. So either they're making the threads up or he's talking about VH.

Granted I do not listen to all 4 hours of his show but I'm enjoying the fuck out of it. He's a very interesting guy and "much" smarter than people think.

But what does being smart have to do with anything? What all smart people make good talk show hosts?

I used to listen to Stern years ago when I worked in NYC but I do not listen to him any longer. He's overrated IMO.

Well you're entitled of course, but he certainly knows a lot more about doing a successful radio show than Dave does. Dave has plenty to learn.

I'm finding the reality of Dave hawking products a bit unsettling. Yeah, I know, it's part of the gig. But it's still weird. To date, it was one of the few things setting him and Sam apart. No longer. The almighty buck beckons all, Dylan, DeNiro, even the Diamond. :irked:

Cash grab. :)

In all seriousness though, the show has gotten better every day that I've tuned in. I find him highly entertaining, but I think he needs a better supporting cast.

I'm finding the reality of Dave hawking products a bit unsettling. . :irked:

He would probably reply to that as having always hawked something. Back in the day it was a product called Van Halen. And we all stood up and were counted. :D

He would probably reply to that as having always hawked something. Back in the day it was a product called Van Halen. And we all stood up and were counted. :D


I'm sure he might reply that way, and of course he was selling an image back in the day. But to me, at least, there's a difference between doing the rock star dog and pony show and impressing on me the bitchin' badness of a label maker.

I'm happy for him since he's doing something he's wanted to do for a long time. I can only hope that as time goes on, he mellows out on Edward. Nothing good can come from it as I can't see a radio show being a viable tool to spur an intervention (that is if what he implied is true). Sell label makers, vacuum bags, whatever, just don't dig the hole any deeper.

"Me Wise Magic" is an awesome song, but Dave's voice is far below par. It's borderline awful on some sections, you can hear so much effect on it it's sick. And Dave has admitted he wasn't at his best. Ed's playing on it is fucking awesome though. Ed was on a roll, "Humans Being" was also a great tune written about the same time.

And I agree on that high-pitched stuff Dave does on MWM and now on his songs. Some vocal coach must have told him that was a good alternative to the loss of his a-capella scream...I don't know. I can't stand when he sings like that, it's fucking grating. It's just screaming, it has no body, no tone. It's nothing like Dave's voice on classic VH.

Say what you want about Sam, but the guy's voice is virtually the same as it was 25 years ago. He has taken better care of himself vocally than Dave has. Whether you like his voice or not is not the issue. The issue is his vocals are in far better shape than Dave's.

I agree, Brett. As much as I dislike his lame lyrics, Sammy can still sing his balls off. Regarding MWM, I also agree, Edward brought his "A" game on that tune. I just love the tone, crunch, and brilliance of his playing. That's the Edward I miss, as the stuff on BOBW was certainly lacking these same elements. And yes, Daves vocals were very weak on the reunion tracks. I'm not sure he could have lasted too long on tour had it happened.

How they ended up with the poo that is VH3 after writing such great music in 96 is still a mystery."

Well, I don't know about anybody else... But his guitar work is better
on 3 IMO and that's abig part of it. Dave/Sam/Gary all come second
to the guitar work for me... And although I like the two songs, the
guitar work on songs like Fire In The Hole and Once are better than
the more robotic sounding stuff on MWM/CGTSNM IMO.

And although I like the two songs, the guitar work on songs
like Fire In The Hole and Once are better than the more robotic sounding
stuff on MWM/CGTSNM IMO.


Once better than MWM?

Yikes.

Once better than MWM?

Yikes.

The guitar work yes. Perhaps one reason is because it's something different... It isn't formulaic.

My complaint is more againest CGTSN... I like the song, but it totally doesn't
SOUND right for some reason.

The guitar work yes. Perhaps one reason is because it's something different... It isn't formulaic.

My complaint is more againest CGTSN... I like the song, but it totally doesn't
SOUND right for some reason.


CGTSNM is a piece of crap tune as well. The harmonies of CGTSNM are sub par Dave at best.

But I would hesitate in a big way to label MWM as formulaic - it's the only version of modern DLR era Dave we essentially have, and that one song in and of itself beats anything off III hands down as far as classic bad ass Van Halen sound.

But as you are aware, I am no fan of III in any way. :)

I should also note that I'm talking about the video version. I haven't
listened to the album version in a long time, but I think I remember
them being different.

I cutout the song from the video.

Well, I don't know about anybody else... But his guitar work is better on 3 IMO and that's abig part of it. Dave/Sam/Gary all come second to the guitar work for me... And although I like the two songs, the guitar work on songs like Fire In The Hole and Once are better than the more robotic sounding stuff on MWM/CGTSNM IMO.

That's what I said in my post, the MUSIC was so great on Humans Being and MWM, it blows away anything (musically) on VH3, IMO, an entire album of that '96 sound would be awesome.

It wouldn't matter to me if it would have been Sam or Dave (I prefer Sam but whatever).

CGTSNM is a piece of crap tune as well. The harmonies of CGTSNM are sub par Dave at best.

But I would hesitate in a big way to label MWM as formulaic - it's the only version of modern DLR era Dave we essentially have, and that one song in and of itself beats anything off III hands down as far as classic bad ass Van Halen sound.

But as you are aware, I am no fan of III in any way. :)

Of course there is some difference... It truly isn't like classic VH. But
Once is way out there from what Ed has done in his career, and it's
good IMO.

I embrace the differences in songs like Fire In The Hole/Once when
most Van Halen fans don't. I can't say that I would have felt that
way back when the album came out. Years ago, I wasn't a hardcore
fan... I'd listen to Panama, Jump and the other big hits while ignoring
the rest of the VH catalog.

Nowdays I find myself playing such songs as Could This Be Magic, A
Apolitical Blues and such songs when I ignored such songs before.

In other words, I truly don't want VH to truly sound like VH anymore.
That was a great time period for my brother and I when we was growing
up and those were 6 great albums. But with future albums I think you
got to move on alittle bit.

That's what I said in my post, the MUSIC was so great on Humans Being and MWM, it blows away anything (musically) on VH3, IMO, an entire album of that '96 sound would be awesome.

It wouldn't matter to me if it would have been Sam or Dave (I prefer Sam but whatever).

Well, I'm a huge fan of blusey like guitar work and that;s why I'm a
big fan of Fire In The Hole. I actually listen to that solo over and over
again... Just a difference of opinion.

Of course there is some difference... It truly isn't like classic VH. But
Once is way out there from what Ed has done in his career, and it's
good IMO.

I embrace the differences in songs like Fire In The Hole/Once when
most Van Halen fans don't. I can't say that I would have felt that
way back when the album came out. Years ago, I wasn't a hardcore
fan... I'd listen to Panama, Jump and the other big hits while ignoring
the rest of the VH catalog.

Nowdays I find myself playing such songs as Could This Be Magic, A
Apolitical Blues and such songs when I ignored such songs before.

In other words, I truly don't want VH to truly sound like VH anymore.
That was a great time period for my brother and I when we was growing
up and those were 6 great albums. But with future albums I think you
got to move on alittle bit.


Hey, I'm a huge fan of Apolitical Blues. Also am a huge fan of the so-called 'underrated' gems of the VH catalogue, which, IMO, are among their finest, if not indeed their finest. I tend to shy away from their standard anthems like ATBL, RWTD, Jump, Panama, Unchained, DTNA, Pretty Woman, WCTBL, WIL, Poundcake, and so on, because they're either so washed out or overrated, I just can't listen to 'em anymore. My favorite Van Halen songs often are (with the possible exception of HFT, which is just classic FUCK YOU Van Halen even though it was an MTV darling) 'sidebar' tracks like On Fire, Simple Rhyme, Push Comes to Shove, Girl Gone Bad, Good Enough, Mine all Mine, etc.

And absolutely, new albums ought to branch out, while staying true to the band's core...much like the new Stones album FINALLY did since Tattoo You, basically...and a full album in the Me Wise Magic / Humans Being vein with Dave or Sam would've been epic, if Ed had stayed true to his current - at the time - studio sound and direction.

But III was such a radical departure, not just because of the new singer, but with Ed's composition and tone, it didn't ring true to what a Van Halen album is at its core, which, ideally, is a tour de force blast from one Edward Van Fucking Halen...the only other LP that came close to this sort of blunder was OU812, but even that one had redeeming tracks (I actually love OU812 minus its ballads, but can easily see the differences in Ed's stylings between it and 5150/FUCK).

I don't dislike VH3 cuz it's different, I don't like it because it's just not good.


IMO of course :)

But III was such a radical departure, not just because of the new singer, but with Ed's composition and tone, it didn't ring true to what a Van Halen album is at its core, which, ideally, is a tour de force blast from one Edward Van Fucking Halen...the only other LP that came close to this sort of blunder was OU812, but even that one had redeeming tracks (I actually love OU812 minus its ballads, but can easily see the differences in Ed's stylings between it and 5150/FUCK)."

That's basically where the we don't agree. It's simply too far different
from most fans... It's raw and different. But Metallica's And Justice For
All was pretty raw and it's my favorite Metallica album. I've actually
come to like more raw/live sounding stuff... So the production and such things don't kill it for me too much I guess. In fact, I can't even listen
to the album version of Eruption anymore... I cut out a live version from
a bootleg video and play that instead.

"Hey, I'm a huge fan of Apolitical Blues. Also am a huge fan of the so-called 'underrated' gems of the VH catalogue, which, IMO, are among their finest, if not indeed their finest. I tend to shy away from their standard anthems like ATBL, RWTD, Jump, Panama, Unchained, DTNA, Pretty Woman, WCTBL, WIL, Poundcake, and so on, because they're either so washed out or overrated, I just can't listen to 'em anymore. My favorite Van Halen songs often are (with the possible exception of HFT, which is just classic FUCK YOU Van Halen even though it was an MTV darling) 'sidebar' tracks like On Fire, Simple Rhyme, Push Comes to Shove, Girl Gone Bad, Good Enough, Mine all Mine, etc."

I still play the hits... Just not as much. My favorites right now are:

Where Have All The Good Times Gone?
Top Jimmy
In A Simple Rhyme
The Dream is Over (very underrated)
Sinner's Swing!
The Full Bug

There is also The Who cover which is better than most of Van Hagar's
hits IMO.

The Who cover was one of the few shining spots on RHRN.

I don't think III was too raw and different for fans...I don't listen to Van Halen for their version of Tracy Chapman or Pearl Jam. I listen to Van Halen for Van Halen. If Ed wanted a solo album, he should've titled it Edward Van Halen. If Ed wanted to bond with a Mercury wannabee, he should've called it Extreme Halen.

But if it's called VAN HALEN...and something like III hits the shelves...

Well, let's just say I never thought New Coke was Coke, ya know? I never thought Crystal Pepsi was Pepsi, either. :)

Right now, Van Squalen thinks III is still a steaming pile of cowpie. :)

I agree with Squalen. III is stinky.

Now, for something completely different.

If I were Sammy Hagar, I'd buy commercial time on Dave's show to sell Cabo Wabo Tequila. With Dave doing the voice work.

Cue "Right Now" as background music.
"Hi. This is Diamond David Lee Roth and when I want the very best, I reach for Cabo Wabo. A shake of salt, a little lick of lime and it's party time. That's what Dave wants. Right here. Right now."

I know no one cares, but my opinion is that I applaud Ed and the band for doing something different like III. It was a departure, yes, although it wasn't a successful one, they did what they/He wanted. However, I just wish we had more released stuff around that time so fans could have something more "Halen" to relate to and listen to, and then we wouldn't feel the need to always go back and attack their decision (making III).
I guess I'm a rare breed. I absolutely love classic VH (Roth-era), who doesn't? The Hagar stuff is great, they went a different route when they got Hagar and you have to expect that. And I didn't totally mind Cherone, but it didn't seem like a good fit and, ultimately, it wasn't. I'm happy it was just the one album and tour. So the reason why I feel as though I'm a rare breed is because there is not one era of VH that I totally don't like. I can put any CD, even III, in the player and listen.
But, in the end, too much time has passed. They're not gettin' any younger, their playin'/singin' isn't what it once was. They've all gone beyond their peaks. But, with that said, I'll still take anything they put on the shelves. I just wish they WOULD release something soon!

"Hi. This is Diamond David Lee Roth and when I want the very best, I reach for Cabo Wabo. A shake of salt, a little lick of lime and it's party time. That's what Dave wants. Right here. Right now."

I would pay to hear that. :D

The Who cover was one of the few shining spots on RHRN.

It would've been better if they hadn't left out a whole section:

"The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the fold, that's all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they are flown in the next war"

And, Sam added in a line from Baba O'Riley":

"They're all wasted!"

Their version still kicks serious ass. It's a mainstay in my traveling music.

I don't know, must be the 500 threads on here and the Army about every sentence the guy utters on radio concerning VH. So either they're making the threads up or he's talking about VH.


That's just it. Listening right now and thinking about it earlier today I thought, "...what else does Dave really have to offer beyond backstage Van Halen anecdotes?". Most of his one liners and personal classic anecdotes are already being repeated between shows. His value is the dish...his crew repartee sucks, he spends half his time reading articles.

This will not last. Most local drive guys are better than Dave. I wish he'd reunited with classic Van Halen!

I don't know, must be the 500 threads on here and the Army about every sentence the guy utters on radio concerning VH. So either they're making the threads up or he's talking about VH.

Like I said I'm not listening to all 4 hours. But, if you feel he's talking about VH too much I'll take your word for it. I personally haven't heard him mention VH yet.

But what does being smart have to do with anything?

Just mentioning a quality I feel he has that is overlooked by most.

What all smart people make good talk show hosts?

Of course not.

Well you're entitled of course, but he certainly knows a lot more about doing a successful radio show than Dave does. Dave has plenty to learn.

Yes indeed. Stern is a veteran of the airwaves. Roth is a rookie.

The show is getting better each day. THe VH remarks are minimal and if you hate the commercials, then listen to the podcast at your leisure.

This show will last. It's unique and Infinity made a good decision. Adam Corrolla on the ther hand is very very lame here in LA. Thank God I got my Sirius.

DLR's longevity all depends on his ratings.

Radio is a cruel world. Your ratings suck, you're gone.

Might take a couple of bad "books" to give him the boot.

I've only listened a few minutes here and there on the net, but it's not all that bad.

I just question how some of you folks listen to the show. In the mornings I'm up, getting the kids up and to school and a short communte to work and I'm done.

I just question how some of you folks listen to the show. In the mornings I'm up, getting the kids up and to school and a short communte to work and I'm done.

That pretty much describes my morning, except replace the word short with long. That's when I listen.

I download the podcast and listen while in my officeduring the day, commercial free.

Using iTunes, it downloads the shows automatically. FREE! I've heard almost every minute of every show right here in Los Angeles.

DLR's longevity all depends on his ratings.

Radio is a cruel world. Your ratings suck, you're gone.

Might take a couple of bad "books" to give him the boot.

I've only listened a few minutes here and there on the net, but it's not all that bad.

I just question how some of you folks listen to the show. In the mornings I'm up, getting the kids up and to school and a short communte to work and I'm done.

I hear that, and I don't even have kids. I usually get in about 15 minutes in the morning and that's about it.

What are y'all talkin' 'bout? Roth had just conquered Las Vegas an' that ol' blue-hair lounge lizard crowd.:D
If you considered getting fired for lack of sales "conquering".