Listen up sheep:

I cannot believe the rate that these shows are selling out. This so called "reunion" our "new band" as Dave likes to call it is not what it seems to be. True fans should BOYCOT this tour and show Eddie, Alex, and Dave that the fans are not goingto be ripped off for this obvious "cash grab" tour. It should not be Van Halen it should be subtitled "Three Men and a Little Boy". Michael Anthony is more than just a bass player. He is the distinctive supporting and background voice of our generation and he is being left-out so Eddie and Alex can make more money. They always said they would not get back with Roth because it would be ripping off the fans. I always thought they meant musically, now their prediction has come true. $159.00 for the nosebleed section is not doing the longtime fan any favors. They are charging $650.00 in some cases for the first 20 rows. The first 20 rows will put you out $650.00 and for you to be ignored by three guys who have no interest in taking one pic or signing one autograph for you.

Again, we should boycot this tour in support of Mike. He is like family to those of us who have seen him in concert, met him in person (I have), and had a chance to speak to him and tell him what VH has meant to us for so long. Show Mike some respect and don't pony up your cash for this "Retirement Fund Tour".

I guess I am just surprised at how fickle the true fans are. We should be standing up to this sort of ruse.

Any thoughts?

Got Mike? No? Got no Van Halen either!!

a l i a s

Yup.

Listen up sheep:

I cannot believe the rate that these shows are selling out. This so called "reunion" our "new band" as Dave likes to call it is not what it seems to be. True fans should BOYCOT this tour and show Eddie, Alex, and Dave that the fans are not goingto be ripped off for this obvious "cash grab" tour. It should not be Van Halen it should be subtitled "Three Men and a Little Boy". Michael Anthony is more than just a bass player. He is the distinctive supporting and background voice of our generation and he is being left-out so Eddie and Alex can make more money. They always said they would not get back with Roth because it would be ripping off the fans. I always thought they meant musically, now their prediction has come true. $159.00 for the nosebleed section is not doing the longtime fan any favors. They are charging $650.00 in some cases for the first 20 rows. The first 20 rows will put you out $650.00 and for you to be ignored by three guys who have no interest in taking one pic or signing one autograph for you.

Again, we should boycot this tour in support of Mike. He is like family to those of us who have seen him in concert, met him in person (I have), and had a chance to speak to him and tell him what VH has meant to us for so long. Show Mike some respect and don't pony up your cash for this "Retirement Fund Tour".

I guess I am just surprised at how fickle the true fans are. We should be standing up to this sort of ruse.

Any thoughts?

Got Mike? No? Got no Van Halen either!!

Ok! Not!
They are not calling it a reunion, so stop it already! If you really want to see Mike, then go the see Sam's show, I am! I guess you could say we get the best of both worlds!! I will see both in Detroit with in a month apart!
Do I wish Mike was with """"\//-/""""? Hell yes I do, but It ain't happening so I will just take it like it is! If you don't want to see the boys with out Mike then just don't go! There are to many threads like this already, but most of those people are going to see the show anyway! You never know what will happen next, so enjoy it while we have it!!!!
Thats my policy!!!!

Eman,
Would you go see axl and slash if they got back together for a tour?? It sucks MA isn't going to be around, but lets face it, we will have Ed and Dave on the stage together for atleast one tour.

And why would you think boycotting would help the two get along again? all you would accomplish is annoying the shit out of everyone standing in line to get into the arena.

Ok so you let the brothers know that you dont like the fact that Mike is gone? So what? Would you prefer that Mike be in this band and be treated like crap? I dont. Mike is happy, let him jam with Sam and let VH go do whatever they are going to. The situation sucks, but its not changing.

First of all, it IS a reunion tour. Google Van Halen in the news section and show me one article that doesn't use the word "reunion". Now that that is straight, accepting anything other than the four founding members as "the band" is unacceptable to true fans. We should not have to pay for retooled branding of this band for the forth time.

Dave said the same thing that Sammy said in 2004, "we are back and we are going to be back for a longtime". It was crap then and it is crap now. This is all for the money and ripping off the fans...again.

Are you saying that $195.00-$695.00 is worth it without the real deal , Mike, on the stage? Are you that starved to return to 1984 to Dave and Eddie on the same stage? Give me a break. Hope you have tickets to an early show my friend.

Be real, Roth cannot handle the 50 city work load. Watch as it implodes by November!

This tour is gonna rock!! Already got my tix!! Fuck the haters that just cant afford to go. You know deep down you want to.

Fuck the haters that just cant afford to go. You know deep down you want to.


Dick with an alias?

Fuck the haters that just cant afford to go. Uhh...you do realize that there are some fans that just can't afford the ticket prices...right? :confused:

This tour is gonna rock!! Already got my tix!! Fuck the haters that just cant afford to go. You know deep down you want to.

Yea, those are kinda strong words brother.

I wanna go.

But money will be a factor.

Also i'm a bit confused by the use of you're avatar.:confused:

This tour is gonna rock!!

Is it?

Already got my tix!!

Do ya?

Fuck the haters that just cant afford to go. You know deep down you want to.

Talk about an articulate response. :rolleyes: So, you're angry about the opinions of the so-called "haters," but you then proceed to toss out your own brand of hate at all of these unnamed "haters." Brilliant. :rolleyes:

BTW, son, there are many of us that have enough money to not only buy a 5 Star VIP package for every show on this tour but also buy you (if we needed a 25-year-old ass wiper) and all of your personal possessions but we have no interest in going. Imagine that?!? :smokin:

BTW, son, there are many of us that have enough money to not only buy a 5 Star VIP package for every show on this tour but also buy you (if we needed a 25-year-old ass wiper) and all of your personal possessions but we have no interest in going. Imagine that?!? :smokin:

Heh heh. Missed ya, bud. :thumb:

Sorry folks. It just seems like people want this tour to crash and burn. I for one was not old enough to see them in 84. I know it won't live up to those standards though, but im still excited to see them on this tour!

It doesn't have to do with my money. I have money to buy tickets, but I am not going to pay Porsche prices to ride around in a Cadilac with a missing tire and putz along on a spare. You wouldn't do that and neither should I. We deserve more than what they are giving us. This tour is a total cash and grab. The tour will not finish well and we will get no new music out of this. You can take that to the bank.

[QUOTE=eman2;848651]Listen up sheep:

I cannot believe the rate that these shows are selling out. This so called "reunion" our "new band" as Dave likes to call it is not what it seems to be. True fans should BOYCOT this tour and show Eddie, Alex, and Dave that the fans are not goingto be ripped off for this obvious "cash grab" tour. It should not be Van Halen it should be subtitled "Three Men and a Little Boy". Michael Anthony is more than just a bass player. He is the distinctive supporting and background voice of our generation and he is being left-out so Eddie and Alex can make more money. They always said they would not get back with Roth because it would be ripping off the fans. I always thought they meant musically, now their prediction has come true. $159.00 for the nosebleed section is not doing the longtime fan any favors. They are charging $650.00 in some cases for the first 20 rows. The first 20 rows will put you out $650.00 and for you to be ignored by three guys who have no interest in taking one pic or signing one autograph for you.

Again, we should boycot this tour in support of Mike. He is like family to those of us who have seen him in concert, met him in person (I have), and had a chance to speak to him and tell him what VH has meant to us for so long. Show Mike some respect and don't pony up your cash for this "Retirement Fund Tour".

I guess I am just surprised at how fickle the true fans are. We should be standing up to this sort of ruse.

Any thoughts?

Got Mike? No? Got no Van Halen either!![/QUOT

What the hell are you talkin about........Tickets are selling great, sold out DC in minutes last week, adding 2nd shows in many cities. Stop your fuckin lies and get over it...Mike's is done with VH and his future is with GAygar and yours can be as well....Nobody is making you buy a ticket, so do not go and stop whining about it. Take some advice from your hero Mike, and have some class. Get over it, Mike has. The band has and always will be called Van Halen not Mike Anthony. Good God it never ends with you whiny ass babies!!

ahmen

You are a mind-numb lemming! You have no loyalty to the original band which IS Van Halen. You people with no loyalty make me sick! Sell-outs!

Wolfie is gonna rock! Hell yeah!

Fuck your boycot.

You are a mind-numb lemming! You have no loyalty to the original band which IS Van Halen. You people with no loyalty make me sick! Sell-outs!

Wow. I suddenly feel a wave of guilt and regret for checking out this aging rock band's tour that dwarfs that felt by the guys that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima. I'm gonna go slit my wrists as soon as I'm done typing th.............

Fuck your boycot.

Go back to your factory job you monkey!

I can't wait for this tour!!!! Im so excited to see these guys with the newest member, wolfie!!! Yeehaa!!!

First of all, it IS a reunion tour. Google Van Halen in the news section and show me one article that doesn't use the word "reunion". Now that that is straight, accepting anything other than the four founding members as "the band" is unacceptable to true fans. We should not have to pay for retooled branding of this band for the forth time.

Dave said the same thing that Sammy said in 2004, "we are back and we are going to be back for a longtime". It was crap then and it is crap now. This is all for the money and ripping off the fans...again.

Are you saying that $195.00-$695.00 is worth it without the real deal , Mike, on the stage? Are you that starved to return to 1984 to Dave and Eddie on the same stage? Give me a break. Hope you have tickets to an early show my friend.

Be real, Roth cannot handle the 50 city work load. Watch as it implodes by November!

so don't go and shut up already. how bout that for an idea?

Good God it never ends with you whiny ass babies!!

Good God it never ends with you whiny ass babies!!

That sums up a hell of a lot around here. It never ends because they are in the minority and their only resolve is to repeat themselves to no end. (here in the form of an alias in a weak ass attempt to disguise their insignifigance)

Good God it never ends with you whiny ass babies!!

That sums up a hell of a lot around here. It never ends because they are in the minority and their only resolve is to repeat themselves to no end. (here in the form of an alias in a weak ass attempt to disguise their insignifigance)

Not an alias you jerk!

Notice how all the haters are spammy fans? I love mikey and wish he was still in the band. I think everyone does. But VH is Dave and Ed. PERIOD!!!!

No one's holding a gun to anyone's head to come in here. Fuckin A. You dont like it? Don't post here. Fuck.

All of you coming in here and talking shit, I'm warning you guys already, things are changing around here and within the next day or so. And guess what it's not going to be all my decision, the mods will be making most of the calls. And you won't like it if you're one of the ones stirring the shit. And no it's not a banning.

There's 3 or 4 people alone in this thread who should seriously think twice before they make another post in this particular thread. I'm sure they can figure out who they are. The leash for everyone is going to very short.

Whatcha gonna do to us

You? I don't think you're on the list dude. LOL

Notice how all the haters are spammy fans?

Nah, that's just the ASSumption you guys make because that's how you'd like it to be. :D

Most folks who are not going to this tour are Van Halen fans, that means MIKE included, not Teen Wolf. Put Mike up there and most if not all will be on board too. :)





As far as this thread? Boycott? Why, who would care? If you are cool with Mike not being there, then go. If not, then don't. No biggie.

I'm trippin' off all the new people. Van Halen III's favorite song is "How Many Say I"?:wtf: :D

As far as this thread? Boycott? Why, who would care? If you are cool with Mike not being there, then go. If not, then don't. No biggie.


I was thinking myself that simply not going to the show was kind of a boycott in and of itself if you think about it. I guess in my case it's a 'silent boycott'. Not sure a new thread was needed....but hey. Whatver.

Doesn't excuse a small group of asswipes who like to troll for threads to pee on anyway just to give meaning to their overly-masturbatory lives.

I agree, not going is enough of a boycott if you feel that strongly about it.

ain't nothin' wrong with sittin' out a VH tour. I've sat out the last 3 tours.


Just download a bootleg DVD, turn out the lights put some headphones on and turn it up real loud then burn some "grass" all around ya and it'll be about the same:thumb:

I can t wait till the tour , no boycott here.who knows it might just be fucking awesome.wait a minute its VH............it will be awesome:headbang:

I can t wait till the tour , no boycott here.who knows it might just be fucking awesome.wait a minute its VH............it will be awesome:headbang:

Have fun, bud.

No boycott here as well....I think Mike is a cool cat, but he was never the reason why I wanted to see Van Halen or Van Hagar......

Some of these "boycotters" kinda remind me of Kobe Bryant fans (friggin cry babies):mad: .....Only difference is that Eddie Van Halen is the Kobe Bryant of Van Halen.......catch my drift:smokin:

Now if Eddie ever decides to leave Van Halen, then I guess I'll go ahead and jump on the "boycott" band wagon. But I'm sure if Eddie ever decides to leave the band, there will be nothing to boycott..

No boycott here as well....I think Mike is a cool cat, but he was never the reason why I wanted to see Van Halen or Van Hagar......

Some of these "boycotters" kinda remind me of Kobe Bryant fans (friggin cry babies):mad: .....Only difference is that Eddie Van Halen is the Kobe Bryant of Van Halen.......catch my drift:smokin:

Now if Eddie ever decides to leave Van Halen, then I guess I'll go ahead and jump on the "boycott" band wagon. But I'm sure if Eddie ever decides to leave the band, there will be nothing to boycott..

Agreed!!:thumb:

Some of these "boycotters" kinda remind me of Kobe Bryant fans (friggin cry babies):mad: .....Only difference is that Eddie Van Halen is the Kobe Bryant of Van Halen.......catch my drift:smokin:

No I don't, not at all in fact.

Boycott?

it's so funny people trying to boycott a tour, this is not a presidential election or something this is ROCK AND ROLL.

Music, shows, this is something to ENJOY, life goes fast people, this is not worth it.

you wanna see Mike, go to a Sam show.

you wanna see Ed, go to a VAN HALEN show.

THIS SITE IS STARTING TO BE VERY FUNNY

FACTS:

We all wish Mike was there
Tickets are overpriced
It will still be cool to see Dave and Ed
It's not a real reunion, it's whatever Dave called it
There is very little reason to doubt it is a cash grab (remains to be seen IMHO)
About half of us are still livid
Many people will still go and enjoy it

I'm not going because I won't pay that much for 3/4 of the band. However, if it's good enough for you then great, maybe I'll regret it later. This is like the new Sam vs. Dave argument, Mike vs. Wolf. Anyways, enjoy the shows everyone, and those like me who won't go, at least they're doing something.

Amen ATBL.

No Mike = No VH.

I can live with either Sammy or Dave out front, but no Mike is just plain wrong.

And with no new album to support, it's pretty pointless, I think.

I feel bad for Wolfie, because he's in an incredible, yet really screwed up situation under bad circumstances. He'd be dumb to tell his dad no, but it's not a good spot to be in.

I'm amazed at how for years we all went through the whole "no news is good news" routine, or "Dave or the Grave" routine. Now here we have "news" and a chance to see Dave "not yet in the grave".
Van Halen has always been a band with "Ed and Alex" in it and so far 3 other singers, with Dave and Sam being two of the best ones that have left their mark.
Yes, even though Mike has always been there, it's not quite his time to come back apparently. Am I mad about it, yes a little. Is it still Van Halen with Wolfie, yes it is. Ed said that as long as he and Alex is in it it is Van Halen.
I'm 40 years old and my older sister who still digs them got me into liking them, and soon after I tried to copy Ed's guitar riffs. In the 1980's it didn't matter how many people were in a band the primary focus was on the singer and the guitar hero. It happened in so many bands and Randy Rhodes and Ozzy were riding high as well back then and most of us still see Ozzy.
This tour to some of us is about the singer, Dave and the guitart hero Ed. Mike is sorely missed, but at least we are not sitting here wondering what their next move is. We have a tour at least! I may see them if I can afford it, who knows? There are lots of bands out there that don't have their original members, even the singers, so what, that's life.
Love 'em or hate 'em, we're not all always going to be happy, but we have no control over the situation either. Boycotts only stir up a pot that at the end of the day is going to smell bad with no results.

Dave
www.geocities.com/davehill66

I dont think there is a VH fan out there that wouldnt prfer to have MA pounding on the base vs Wolfy. But, most of us can remember when DLR and VH split back in 1985 the greater majority of the fans, including me, preferd to have DLR vs Sammy up on stage. Fans woamred up to Sammy over time and in large came to accept him just like they did DLR.

It is too bad that MA is not along for the ride, I'll be a true fan at that. But having all of the combined talents of DLR and EVH in one place at one time is what the nucleus of VH is all about.

Mike is missed, but we cant change that. Enjoy what we can while we can.

Next topic.

Mike is missed, but we cant change that. Enjoy what we can while we can.

Next topic.

Feel free to enjoy sir, but seeing how this is a Mike forum the "next topic" will be.....Mike. Thank you.

FACTS:
About half of us are still livid
Many people will still go and enjoy it

I'm not going because I won't pay that much for 3/4 of the band. However, if it's good enough for you then great, maybe I'll regret it later.

It's the #1 selling act on Planet Earth according to Pollstar. So yes, many people WILL go.

Everyone's feelings towards Mike here are warranted, justified, and legitimate. Of course. But we must understand, 90% of the people who bought 1984 don't know or care who Michael Anthony is.

1984 didn't sell 10 million copies because of guitar geeks or VH diehards. More like 800,000. Even if you double that for folks who bought the tape, and then bought it again on CD, it's not even close to 50%.

Again, that does NOT mean anyone's feelings towards Mike are insignificant, unwarranted, unjustified, etc. It merely means that you're in the vocal minority. As is the case, typically, with any hardcore fan-based website.

We post on a friggin' Van Halen forum. That's not normal, average, common, etc. Even though we put MORE TIME into thinking about Van Halen, the reality is that we are less than 51% of the band's fans. That's just reality. We're actually probably far, far less than that.

Most of the people that go to these Police concerts don't know who Andy Summers is. I think we can agree that The Police without Andy Summers isn't really The Police. Yet, they don't know who Andy f*cking Summers is.

.....or even Gordon Sumner, for that matter :rolleyes:

They don't care about the details. They just care THAT IT ROCKED.

FACTS:

We all wish Mike was there
Tickets are overpriced
It will still be cool to see Dave and Ed
It's not a real reunion, it's whatever Dave called it
There is very little reason to doubt it is a cash grab (remains to be seen IMHO)
About half of us are still livid
Many people will still go and enjoy it

I'm not going because I won't pay that much for 3/4 of the band. However, if it's good enough for you then great, maybe I'll regret it later. This is like the new Sam vs. Dave argument, Mike vs. Wolf. Anyways, enjoy the shows everyone, and those like me who won't go, at least they're doing something.


This should be something you have to sign and agree to before being able to post. It just seems like common sense to me, but we still have people arguing about it thread after thread.

He is not in the band anymore...period. Get over it. If that's the reason your not going then fine. But the current version of VH does not include Mike, so deal w/it. One ? though, why not go? Your obviously a VH fan and this is the 1st time in 20yrs the Roth material will be played exclusivly and your letting 1 guy out of the band stop you from going? Dude, seriously, the prices for tix would be just as high or higher w/mike playing. Just go, you'll have a great time.

One ? though, why not go?

Because Eddie Van Halen is a fucking bitch and i refuse to give any more of my hard earned money? Yeah, that's the ticket!

Thanks for the pep-talk though...

Would I prefer Mike over Wolf in VH, sure but I'll support Wolfie just like I did, Sammy and Gary.

I was hoping that Sammy would tour near the CT area, then I could see Mike play and sing some of those classic VH songs. He may not be in Van Halen but he is out there performing and kicking ass.

He is not in the band anymore...period. Get over it. If that's the reason your not going then fine. But the current version of VH does not include Mike, so deal w/it. One ? though, why not go? Your obviously a VH fan and this is the 1st time in 20yrs the Roth material will be played exclusivly and your letting 1 guy out of the band stop you from going? Dude, seriously, the prices for tix would be just as high or higher w/mike playing. Just go, you'll have a great time.

Yep! If you are a VH fan, quit whining and have an open mind. If you're a Mike fan, go see him. It's ridiculous for a bunch of adults to whine & cry like little babies over something they can't control. Nothing stays the same! Suck it up people!

For the real Van Halen fans, perhaps a shirt like this may be more appropriate. :D

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa212/Kimmie5150/TheMeanBrothersMA19022088-0001.jpg

Wow, that's a nice shirt. :spit:

ok, now i REALLY know that lonelygirl5150 ain't no soccer mom:irked:

ok, now i REALLY know that lonelygirl5150 ain't no soccer mom:irked:
:wtf:
Ok, what've you been smokin? Exactly what kind of language are you trying to speak? Your posts are verbally drooling. :rolleyes:

I don't understand that what that shirt even means. :cornfused:

"A New Band For the Real Fans".

That may be the dumbest thing I've seen yet.

I don't understand that what that shirt even means. :cornfused:

Well, Ed & Al were referred to as "The Mean Brothers" in another post, and real VH fans is referring to fans that will accept them regardless if Mike is there or not, and will give the New Band a fair chance.

So you're a real fan and I'm not? Hmm...ok. Thanks for clearing that up. I knew I was a fraud all this years.

Saw Van Halen several times back in the day (early 1980's Madison Square Garden) !!! Don't be jealous Bitc#&s. Got some news for you all --- Van Halen consists of only four people on this place we call Earth --- Dave, Eddie, Alex and Mike (there can be no others). I'm quite possibly their greatest fan but sorry--- NO MIKE = NO SALE. I think I'll sit this one out. With you all the way. Boycott this BULLS@%T tour.

So you're a real fan and I'm not? Hmm...ok. Thanks for clearing that up. I knew I was a fraud all this years.

Lol...No, you may have misunderstood me. What I'm trying to say is that if you are a VH fan, you'll give any member a chance that has been in the band or is a part of the new band.

Got some news for you all --- Van Halen consists of only four people on this place we call Earth --- Dave, Eddie, Alex and Mike (there can be no others). I'm quite possibly their greatest fan but sorry--- NO MIKE = NO SALE. I think I'll sit this one out. With you all the way. Boycott this BULLS@%T tour.

NEWSFLASH: Van Halen consists of 7 people....Dave, Eddie, Alex, Mike, Sammy, Gary, and Wolfie. If anyone has ever been in the band, they are part of the band, regardless of whether they are still in the band or not.

NEWSFLASH: Van Halen consists of 7 people....Dave, Eddie, Alex, Mike, Sammy, Gary, and Wolfie. If anyone has ever been in the band, they are part of the band, regardless of whether they are still in the band or not.

"Van Halen has a lot of great alumni!"
- David Lee Roth, 2007

Saw Van Halen several times back in the day (early 1980's Madison Square Garden) !!! Don't be jealous Bitc#&s. Got some news for you all --- Van Halen consists of only four people on this place we call Earth --- Dave, Eddie, Alex and Mike (there can be no others). I'm quite possibly their greatest fan but sorry--- NO MIKE = NO SALE. I think I'll sit this one out. With you all the way. Boycott this BULLS@%T tour.



Wow, so were up front and center all the yrs. that Sam was in the band?

Yes it would be outstanding to have the original four together again but, does anyone here really think that boycotting the tour will amount to anything? If you are so opposed to them touring without Michael then don't go and shut up already.

Michael Anthony was and always will be a very significant part of Van Halen. It is forever preserved in timeless audio via the Van Halen CD catalog. However, we already have two very positive reports from the rehearsal and one of those coming from Scott Ian (Anthrax). Barring a major case of stage fright and performing like Britney Spears at the VMA's I'm betting that Wolf more than holds his own.

I wish them all the best and hope that they continue together beyond the tour, and I like everyone else wishes Mikey was there but enough already people. The pissing and moaning is ridiculous already. Wolf's in...Mike isn't and three quarters of the original recipe is better than a repeat performance of the 2004 nightmare.

If you are so opposed to them touring without Michael then don't go and shut up already.

Um, most of us arent going. Why should we shut up? This is a Mike dedication forum.


The pissing and moaning is ridiculous already.

No one's holding a family member hostage here for you to return to this particular forum.

Wolf's in...Mike isn't and three quarters of the original recipe is better than a repeat performance of the 2004 nightmare.

that's a matter of opinion, kind sir.

Mike loyalists of the world UNITE!! BOYCOTT this phoney reunion.

Wolf's in...Mike isn't and three quarters of the original recipe is better than a repeat performance of the 2004 nightmare.[/QUOTE]


Yeah, well have you ever tried to bake a cake without the eggs?

TST<----------------------:D -----------------------

Mike loyalists of the world UNITE!! BOYCOTT this phoney reunion.

I think most would now agree that it isn't a real reunion given Mikey's absence...even Dave acknowledged that at the press conference.

Yeah, well have you ever tried to bake a cake without the eggs?

TST<----------------------:D -----------------------

Tracey's slappin' em down Martha Stewart-style! :thumb:

NEWSFLASH: Van Halen consists of 7 people....Dave, Eddie, Alex, Mike, Sammy, Gary, and Wolfie. If anyone has ever been in the band, they are part of the band, regardless of whether they are still in the band or not.

Nope. Except that bull-shit tour with Gary, we all know that VH has always been Mike, Eddie, and Alex. Mike's vocals would have at least made that garbage sound better. Nobody else will do, I don't give a shit if it's Sammy or Dave, but you do not ever try and replace Mike. He's the vocal of that band, nobody else has ever been consistently. We all know it's Eddie's fault, just some of us won't admit it. I hope Wolf does well, but fuck Ed.

Nope. Except that bull-shit tour with Gary, we all know that VH has always been Mike, Eddie, and Alex. Mike's vocals would have at least made that garbage sound better. Nobody else will do, I don't give a shit if it's Sammy or Dave, but you do not ever try and replace Mike. He's the vocal of that band, nobody else has ever been consistently. We all know it's Eddie's fault, just some of us won't admit it. I hope Wolf does well, but fuck Ed.

That's your opinion and that's fine for you, but I don't agree, I loved them with Gary too. I love ALL VH music like nothing else on earth, there's nothing else like it! I will miss Mike just like everyone else, but I'm excited to hear Wolf too! I'm happy for Ed, I'm sure nothing would make him happier than to play with his son! I don't blame him one bit!! Eddie deserves to be as happy as he can, he's went through alot over the past few years!!

Wolf's in...Mike isn't and three quarters of the original recipe is better than a repeat performance of the 2004 nightmare.


Yeah, well have you ever tried to bake a cake without the eggs?

TST<----------------------:D -----------------------[/QUOTE]



Ummmm huh..... No eggs... NOOOO Poundcake!

If you are so opposed to them touring without Michael then don't go and shut up already.

Ok you should stop posting in this forum if you are going to go off like this. This is Mike's forum, these posts are where they should be. I suggest you think long and hard before you make another post like this in the Mike forum.

I am not sure you have noticed, but people are being shown the door right and left, no matter who they are.

Think about this before you choose to respond.

This is the type of derailing of threads and the attacks that are not being tolerated on this forum any longer.

I fail to see how ANY Van Halen fan can see it as a good thing that Mike's been booted from the group.

I understand the excitement of Dave's return, even people keen to see the current tour, yet I don't understand how many so called "fans" need to dismiss Mike's role in the band.

Mike has been an integral member of the band right up to his disgraceful dismissal. Every fan should feel a little peeved at the situation, regardless of which frontman they support.

That's your opinion and that's fine for you, but I don't agree, I loved them with Gary too. I love ALL VH music like nothing else on earth, there's nothing else like it! I will miss Mike just like everyone else, but I'm excited to hear Wolf too! I'm happy for Ed, I'm sure nothing would make him happier than to play with his son! I don't blame him one bit!! Eddie deserves to be as happy as he can, he's went through alot over the past few years!!

Perhaps so, but it doesn't justify the way he treated Mike for the last 15 years. I don't care what he went through because it doesn't justify dumping on others, everyone has issues. Eddie failed to come out the other end a decent human being, and he is quite frankly a bad person. Mike didn't deserve this, regardless of him being booted it's the way it went down that makes me sick. Also, I personally think Gary Cherone is an amazing singer, but the music was terribly produced and the bass was non-existent, that's why it sucked IMHO. The situation just isn't right.

I fail to see how ANY Van Halen fan can see it as a good thing that Mike's been booted from the group.

I understand the excitement of Dave's return, even people keen to see the current tour, yet I don't understand how many so called "fans" need to dismiss Mike's role in the band.

Mike has been an integral member of the band right up to his disgraceful dismissal. Every fan should feel a little peeved at the situation, regardless of which frontman they support.

That's actually a really good point. A lot of people have turned this into Sam vs. Dave and we've had to read shit like "Hagaritas" and "Hagar lovers" and other garbage like that. I don't think anyone really cares who fronts the band, it's about Mike, not Sam or Dave.

That's actually a really good point. A lot of people have turned this into Sam vs. Dave and we've had to read shit like "Hagaritas" and "Hagar lovers" and other garbage like that. I don't think anyone really cares who fronts the band, it's about Mike, not Sam or Dave.

Amen, bro!

just adding my name to the list.....Its fuckin' disgraceful how VH treated Mike and tried to erase his name from their history. Mike's contributions to the classic Van Halen sound, not to mention his dedication to the band all those years when they weren't doing jack shit, will never be overlooked in my book as well as many other fans.

Wasn't really planning on see Hagar this time around, but now I plan to just to see Mike, and I realize this won't make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things, but its my personal way of saying, "fuck you Ed and Al, thanks for fuckin' up VH."

just adding my name to the list.....Its fuckin' disgraceful how VH treated Mike and tried to erase his name from their history. Mike's contributions to the classic Van Halen sound, not to mention his dedication to the band all those years when they weren't doing jack shit, will never be overlooked in my book as well as many other fans.

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Jeez can't say shit in these threads anymore. God forbid we have a difference of opinon on anything. Don't wanna bring everybody down. Seems best to keep it dark and let everybody have their long-awaited VH tour and not ruin it by posting negative crap.

Yes this is me whining but I think people in this thread will at least kinda have a clue.

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Jeez can't say shit in these threads anymore. God forbid we have a difference of opinon on anything. Don't wanna bring everybody down. Seems best to keep it dark and let everybody have their long-awaited VH tour and not ruin it by posting negative crap.

Yes this is me whining but I think people in this thread will at least kinda have a clue.


They can fuck off.

Video clips, merchandise, ticket talk, nothing has upped my interest in this at all. I see Ed up there playing shit from decades ago with a child with no new music and I just snicker at it.

Thank you sir. Glad I'm not the only one!

It's a crazy world. Speaking of which, Scorps this Saturday. :cool:

They can fuck off.

Video clips, merchandise, ticket talk, nothing has upped my interest in this at all. I see Ed up there playing shit from decades ago with a child with no new music and I just snicker at it.

Same here. I can't be bothered.:sleep:

We do all get that Mike resigned from Van Halen at the insistence of Ed Van Halen in 2004 don't we?

In doing so, Mike himself (under pressure) signed away his rights to ever be in VH again for any reason.

On that basis, why are we surprised that he's not there and Wolf is?

I fail to see how ANY Van Halen fan can see it as a good thing that Mike's been booted from the group.

I understand the excitement of Dave's return, even people keen to see the current tour, yet I don't understand how many so called "fans" need to dismiss Mike's role in the band.

Mike has been an integral member of the band right up to his disgraceful dismissal. Every fan should feel a little peeved at the situation, regardless of which frontman they support.

I agree with you completely mate.

speedway, Mike resigned at Ed's insistence? Where do you get that malarkey? Mike stated in last years Burn interview that he relinquished certain rights just so he could be on what he thought at the time could very well be the last Van Halen tour. He simply wanted to play for the fans. He's always been about the fans. Signing away his rights didn't mean he should be eliminated from the band though. Whatever Ed's problem is with Mike is still unknown. Neither has spoke about what "IT" really is.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhh

LOL

I fail to see how ANY Van Halen fan can see it as a good thing that Mike's been booted from the group.

I understand the excitement of Dave's return, even people keen to see the current tour, yet I don't understand how many so called "fans" need to dismiss Mike's role in the band.

Mike has been an integral member of the band right up to his disgraceful dismissal. Every fan should feel a little peeved at the situation, regardless of which frontman they support.

I don't think anybody actually thinks it is a good thing. But most of us have no idea about the inner workings behind the scenes of Van Halen. If Ed and Mike can't work things out and this is the best that we can do then most of us are ok with it. We don't prefer it, but it's better than nothing.

Would I like to see Mike up there, hell yeah. Does Wolf look like a fish out of water up there, hell yeah. But if they sound good (which it seems they do) and having his son in his band actually keeps Ed sober and inspires him to create new music, I'll support it, just like I'ver supported every tour and every album starting with Diver Down.

It's just entertainment, and if three of the original four members can get together and jam out some of the all time greatest hard rock for two hours, I am going even if they had Kip Winger in chaps playing bass.

Not that I don't like Mike, but I liked Dave too and got over it. And I liked Sam and got over it. And I didn't like Gary, so that wasn't that hard to get over.:)

I realize this won't make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things, but its my personal way of saying, "fuck you Ed and Al, thanks for fuckin' up VH."

But VH isn't totally fucked up. They are BACK and actually kicking ass!

But VH isn't totally fucked up. They are BACK and actually kicking ass!

I believe you about the kicking ass part....but even if I had the money I wouldn't go.

Same reason I would never see Kiss again, you know what I mean. Imposters dressed up as Ace and Peter, c'mon? Not that I'm calling Wolf an imposter.....it just isn't the same for me. So, I'll be content reading reviews and listening to my VH cd's/mp3's.

I'll throw some of the guilt at bootleg quality, but this does not sound like Van Halen. Wolf is doing a good job singing back-up, but he's not Mike and shouldn't be filling Mike's spot. I've made my opinions well known on the scenario for months, so I won't rant here. All I have to say is it ain't Van Halen without Michael Anthony, bottom line.

I'll throw some of the guilt at bootleg quality, but this does not sound like Van Halen. Wolf is doing a good job singing back-up, but he's not Mike and shouldn't be filling Mike's spot. I've made my opinions well known on the scenario for months, so I won't rant here. All I have to say is it ain't Van Halen without Michael Anthony, bottom line.

I'm with you. Agreed that Wolf is no slouch, but the signature Mikey sound is sorely missed.

Now....Wolf is gonna kick ass when he starts his own band. Of that I have zero doubt.

It's missing that special vocal element that makes a Van Halen song a Van Halen song...Mike's backing. It's sorely missing, although Wolf is doing as well as he can. It just doesn't sound right.

I don't think anybody actually thinks it is a good thing. But most of us have no idea about the inner workings behind the scenes of Van Halen. If Ed and Mike can't work things out and this is the best that we can do then most of us are ok with it. We don't prefer it, but it's better than nothing.

Would I like to see Mike up there, hell yeah. Does Wolf look like a fish out of water up there, hell yeah. But if they sound good (which it seems they do) and having his son in his band actually keeps Ed sober and inspires him to create new music, I'll support it, just like I'ver supported every tour and every album starting with Diver Down.

It's just entertainment, and if three of the original four members can get together and jam out some of the all time greatest hard rock for two hours, I am going even if they had Kip Winger in chaps playing bass.

Not that I don't like Mike, but I liked Dave too and got over it. And I liked Sam and got over it. And I didn't like Gary, so that wasn't that hard to get over.:)

This is the post closest to my stand point. I want to see this band whatever. It would have been even more special for me if Mike had been there too. But in the circumstances, I would also like to see Mike having fun around people who dont just tolerate him for the big bucks, but genuinely love the guy, like Sammy does. If I get the chance to see Mike with Sammy, I'd take it and thoroughly enjoy watching Mike rocking out with folk who respect and admire him. :headbang:

Preservation of the past. Kind of like remembering a grandparent before they got sick and passed.

VH is a classic rock act. A great one, sure, I just choose not to see them w/o MA on bass.

It's more than the harmonies, it's the attitude that MA brought to the band. The JD bass, his presence, things some people don't care about.

The 04' tour really hurt, only because Ed fucked it up. Now Im nervous that any time I see VH it will only diminish my image of what in my mind is the greatest Rock and Roll band ever!

Now....Wolf is gonna kick ass when he starts his own band. Of that I have zero doubt.
I'm not so sure about that. Wolfie joining Van Halen could well mean the end of his career before it even gets started.

Being associated with a "Classic Rock Band" at such an early age could label him a "has been" before he gets a chance to make his own mark.

Quite frankly, I doubt he'll ever make an impact like both Ed and Al have.

Ed & Al started from the bottom along with Dave & Mike and worked their asses off to reach the success they did.

Wolfie hasn't earned his place in Van Halen, he's only there because he's Ed's kid. That is the bottom line.

Sure he can play, but so could my brother at 16, he just didn't have a famous dad to put him on stage with a famous group.

I really believe Wolfie's time in Van Halen has already killed any chance he may have had at success on his own, regardless of how talented he may be. He should have started his own project from the beginning. Now he will ALWAYS live in the shadow of his legendary father.

Sad, but true...

I love Mke in VH but they don't get along now and it's not to be and VH with Dave is sounding GREAT. Mike is rich and happy with his beautiful family and though he may be hurt over VH he's all good. VH 07 No Mike.. No problem.

It's missing that special vocal element that makes a Van Halen song a Van Halen song...Mike's backing. It's sorely missing, although Wolf is doing as well as he can. It just doesn't sound right.

It's a good show apparently, but it's not a Van Halen show. And by the way, Mike gets along fine with Ed, Ed is just an asshole.

It's shame 3/4 sound so good but are too selfish to give the fans the real Van Halen. Wolf is doing great, but he's not a part of the Van Halen sound.

Correct.

Someone who can't even grow facial hair yet has not part in Halen' :D

It's a good show apparently, but it's not a Van Halen show. And by the way, Mike gets along fine with Ed, Ed is just an asshole.

It's shame 3/4 sound so good but are too selfish to give the fans the real Van Halen. Wolf is doing great, but he's not a part of the Van Halen sound.

Not a Van Halen show:confused:Some of you guys are in some serious denial. Just go to the show and have fun. Hell, in `98 I saw them with Cherone and had a blast.

Yep! If you are a VH fan, quit whining and have an open mind. If you're a Mike fan, go see him. It's ridiculous for a bunch of adults to whine & cry like little babies over something they can't control. Nothing stays the same! Suck it up people!

For the real Van Halen fans, perhaps a shirt like this may be more appropriate. :D

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa212/Kimmie5150/TheMeanBrothersMA19022088-0001.jpg


Please don't start with the I'm a VH fan and you're not crap. We're all here on a VH board, we all have our opinions. I see I'm whining and crying yet again. Nice.

btw - I'm not sucking up anything.

Nice pic - whoever made it...............................

Please don't start with the I'm a VH fan and you're not crap. We're all here on a VH board, we all have our opinions. I see I'm whining and crying yet again. Nice.

btw - I'm not sucking up anything.

Nice pic - whoever made it...............................

I wasn't starting anything. I'm just sick of the bitching. All I'm trying to say is everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Be thankful for ALL the members of VH. Past & present. After all, we wouldn't be here if we didn't have a burning passion for VH is some way or another.

Everyone is definitely entitled to their opinion. But god forbid if it's the wrong opinion. My point is that nobody wants to hear from the diehards who want a real reunion and who aren't going to any of the shows.

It really makes posting anything a drag lately.

Why don't all the 7 or 8 of the folks who aren't going to the show because Mike's not on tour with =VH= go hold a candlelight vigil at "Pepper's" or something? Hmm?

Stick to them guns, tho, mmmkay?
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O'tay! :thumb:

Fuck this thread...

Did you boycott VH when Dave was gone?

Sammy was gone?

Gary was gone?

Who cares. Mike didn't hold VH together. Back up vocals don't make a band. Especially VH.

The sooner you realize that in '07, VH = EVH & DLR, the better off you will be.

Actually, the sooner you realize that no matter what, the only thing that is VH is EVH, the better.

Fuck this thread...

Did you boycott VH when Dave was gone?

Sammy was gone?

Gary was gone?

Who cares. Mike didn't hold VH together. Back up vocals don't make a band. Especially VH.

The sooner you realize that in '07, VH = EVH & DLR, the better off you will be.

Actually, the sooner you realize that no matter what, the only thing that is VH is EVH, the better.



Sorry. I may have been out of line.

Sorry. I may have been out of line.

back-up vocals do make this band. Always have.

back-up vocals do make this band. Always have.

Yeah, thats why Mike gets so much studio work in the business. LOL.

Good thing he has a loyal buddy in Sammy or he'd be very bored this summer.

Don't get me wrong. I do like Mike. But this boycott VH thing is pure insanity I say!

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back-up vocals do make this band. Always have.

And all this time we thought it was Eds riffs , Daves strong showmanship or Sammy taking the band to new heights. I`m not trying to rip Mike but c`mon man wake up , how about background vocals are a very important element of this band.

It's missing that special vocal element that makes a Van Halen song a Van Halen song...Mike's backing. It's sorely missing, although Wolf is doing as well as he can. It just doesn't sound right.


Sorry Brett, but, it does not sound to me like anyone going to these shows is missing it at all.
Other than a few stragglers, seems like nobody is missing Mike and most are quite happy with Wolf.

And all this time we thought it was Eds riffs , Daves strong showmanship or Sammy taking the band to new heights. I`m not trying to rip Mike but c`mon man wake up , how about background vocals are a very important element of this band.

Correct-o-Mundo

and theres a very simple solution for it......SAMPLES, blended in.

Good Enough for me. That takes care of that issue and Wolf wil surpass Mike as a musician at some point in the near future.
He's a Van Halen! :bounce:

Sorry Brett, but, it does not sound to me like anyone going to these shows is missing it at all.
Other than a few stragglers, seems like nobody is missing Mike and most are quite happy with Wolf.

The only tunes I would miss Mikey on are the ones they don't even play, like "Beer Drinkers/Hell Raisers", etc.

This is the absolute BEST "DLR-era" Van Halen has sounded or played compared to any video that I've ever personally seen. I'm sure that there were performances on-par with this back in 1978, before Dave could literally just stand there, do NOTHING, and attain applause.

IMO, a performance like "Beer Drinkers/Hell Raisers" trumps the 1984 tour every time.

That's what they're doing now, too. They're assaulting audiences. Low-drag, high speed. Very little chatter. Maximum kill. That's early VH.

I don't care that these guys are douchebags sometimes. So are Magic Johnson, Michael Jordan, Marlon Brando, Charlton Heston, Harrison Ford, Kirk Gibson, my Dad, etc.

And all this time we thought it was Eds riffs , Daves strong showmanship or Sammy taking the band to new heights. I`m not trying to rip Mike but c`mon man wake up , how about background vocals are a very important element of this band.

Find me a VH song other then the crap off 3 where the background vocals don't matter. It's Ed's riffs, Daves showmanship, Sammy's contributions, Mike's distinct background vocals, and Alex's drum technique. Mike's vocals make this band as much as Dave or Sammy, maybe not Ed because a lot of ignorant people think he is VH. The band Van Halen has 4 parts, 1 interchangable, and that's Sam or Dave.

I don't get how a lot of people on here think it's wrong for people to finally blow VH off (not referring to you 51501984, I get your point). We have the history, and if Eddie can't deliver the real deal and some of us don't want it, that's how it is, we want Van Halen, all 4 original members, not some 16 year old kid. No knock to Wolf, but seriously if you don't like it that a lot of us don't want to witness a half ass tour then don't post here. With all due respect guys, this tour just doesn't make up for everything this band did to it's fans. There is no good reason Mike isn't there.

Sorry Brett, but, it does not sound to me like anyone going to these shows is missing it at all.
Other than a few stragglers, seems like nobody is missing Mike and most are quite happy with Wolf.

It seems to me people miss Mike, but whatever. Maybe you need to start reading the reviews closer. If I said "black," you'd say "white" anyway. You're like an annoying gnat just needs to be shoo'd away.

Keep getting your retarded Mike digs in dude. Bore.

Let me just say this: I realize that Michael Anthony's vocal harmonies were a huge part of the Classic Van Halen sound, and his unique personality was an integral part of the band as a whole. However, I must say that I really didn't find myself missing Mr. Anthony at all this past Wednesday in Philly. Sure, the bass and backing vocals definitely sounded different, but they sounded good. And sure, Wolfgang is too young to have any sort of stage presence, but he's doing a damn good job.

Brett, do yourself a favor. Go buy yourself a ticket for the show in LA, and go in with an open mind. I guarantee you won't be disappointed. Hell, you might actually like it. :)

Don't get me wrong. I do like Mike. But this boycott VH thing is pure insanity I say!



Then why dont you boycott this thread?

Let me just say this: I realize that Michael Anthony's vocal harmonies were a huge part of the Classic Van Halen sound, and his unique personality was an integral part of the band as a whole. However, I must say that I really didn't find myself missing Mr. Anthony at all this past Wednesday in Philly. Sure, the bass and backing vocals definitely sounded different, but they sounded good. And sure, Wolfgang is too young to have any sort of stage presence, but he's doing a damn good job.

Brett, do yourself a favor. Go buy yourself a ticket for the show in LA, and go in with an open mind. I guarantee you won't be disappointed. Hell, you might actually like it. :)

Well, if Brett it thinking anything like me he won't go cause he's tired of Edward fucking people over. Mike isn't dead, so no matter how good it sounds I don't care. Just my 2 cents.

Well, if Brett it thinking anything like me he won't go cause he's tired of Edward fucking people over. Mike isn't dead, so no matter how good it sounds I don't care. Just my 2 cents.

Gotta throw an amen in here.

I love Ed. He was my hero when I was younger, but there has to be something said for loyalty when it comes to my favorite band. Ed....you can make this right. Get Mike back.

Fuck have Wolf play rhythm guitar.....have 'em BOTH there. VH can be a 5-piece - FUCK IT. Just GET MIKE BACK.

If I don't go, it's not because Wolfgang is on bass.

I'll stay out of the MA piners lounge. I did not realize my error by stepping in.

No Problem

thought you were done here????:wtf:

Oh he's done all right...permanently.

Oh he's done all right...permanently.

Fuck'n A.....I'll drink to that!

http://www.veldmanfamily.com/Images-2004/Collectibles/G1-12-Album-SammyHagar-RedVoodoo.JPG

Oh he's done all right...permanently.

Ah...poor Scoob....Later, Later! :D

Think you guys are hitting that nail pretty good here. Wish I was better at expressing my thoughts on all this.

Yeah it'd be great if Edward came to his senses so we could all enjoy the classics finally being played live after so long. It's bittersweet for me seeing all the pics of the shows. Saw them with the Diamond One back in the day so this new version - nevermind. I can't explain it.

[QUOTE=Ain't Talkin' Bout' Love;876186]Find me a VH song other then the crap off 3 where the background vocals don't matter.QUOTE]

I can think of a bunch of CVH tunes , Women In Love,Drop Dead Legs,Feel your Love Tonight,Hear About It Later...:D In all seriousness the only ones I can think of are Atomic Punk,Push Comes To Shove, One Foot Out The Door,Big Bad Bill is Sweet William Now. What if they just played those tunes , everything would be okay:eek:

Unfortunately, the way I see it, this tour has been put forward for ALL the WRONG reasons.

1) For Eddie to pimp Wolfgang, to put him on stage with a world class band to make him a "rockstar" before he reallly is one.

2) To take a shot at Mike (and Sam) for going out as The Other Half. Ed didn't like it, so they're no longer the other half of Van Halen.

3) Dave was only brought in to the equation because he was the only ace Eddie had left up his sleeve. To enable Wolfie to play in the big arenas the band needed Dave. There was no other choice.

4) I'm sure that Dave would have much preferred to have Mike on bass for the tour, however Ed would have made it clear that Mike was gone, Wolf was in, so don't argue or we'll find another singer. Dave was eager to be back in Van Halen, Ed knew that and took advantage of Dave's current low standing as a solo performer.

5) I'm sure Ed knew the Mike/Wolfie thing would tarnish Dave's return, at least a little bit, thus making the whole tour NOT be about Dave's return.

6) Van Halen is not a band anymore, it's a corporation run by it's principals, Ed and to a lesser extent Alex.

7) Ed pimping his son for this tour is worse than any cabo tequila pimping Sammy did in the past.

8) Eddie has clearly become a controlling, bitter and somewhat unforgiving indivdual. It's a shame, because when I was younger he really was one of my "heroes". How the mighty can fall.

My opinions only and these are some of the reasons I can't support this tour.

Unfortunately, the way I see it, this tour has been put forward for ALL the WRONG reasons.

1) For Eddie to pimp Wolfgang, to put him on stage with a world class band to make him a "rockstar" before he reallly is one.

2) To take a shot at Mike (and Sam) for going out as The Other Half. Ed didn't like it, so they're no longer the other half of Van Halen.

3) Dave was only brought in to the equation because he was the only ace Eddie had left up his sleeve. To enable Wolfie to play in the big arenas the band needed Dave. There was no other choice.

4) I'm sure that Dave would have much preferred to have Mike on bass for the tour, however Ed would have made it clear that Mike was gone, Wolf was in, so don't argue or we'll find another singer. Dave was eager to be back in Van Halen, Ed knew that and took advantage of Dave's current low standing as a solo performer.

5) I'm sure Ed knew the Mike/Wolfie thing would tarnish Dave's return, at least a little bit, thus making the whole tour NOT be about Dave's return.

6) Van Halen is not a band anymore, it's a corporation run by it's principals, Ed and to a lesser extent Alex.

7) Ed pimping his son for this tour is worse than any cabo tequila pimping Sammy did in the past.

8) Eddie has clearly become a controlling, bitter and somewhat unforgiving indivdual. It's a shame, because when I was younger he really was one of my "heroes". How the mighty can fall.

My opinions only and these are some of the reasons I can't support this tour.

As pumped up as I`am about the tour your post was a valid one and there could be a lot of truth to it. But then I see your "We Want Mike , Say No To Wolfie" slogan. Cmon man we all want Mike but Wolf didn`t through Mike out of the band. He`s a 16 year old kid so have a little respect and replace his name with the name of the person your really mad at.

[QUOTE=Ain't Talkin' Bout' Love;876186]Find me a VH song other then the crap off 3 where the background vocals don't matter.QUOTE]

I can think of a bunch of CVH tunes , Women In Love,Drop Dead Legs,Feel your Love Tonight,Hear About It Later...:D In all seriousness the only ones I can think of are Atomic Punk,Push Comes To Shove, One Foot Out The Door,Big Bad Bill is Sweet William Now. What if they just played those tunes , everything would be okay:eek:

I could dispute a few of those, but I'm not going to bother. I don't want Wolfgang there and quite frankly he doesn't belong there, also because he's 16. He should be in school. Anyways, like I said, I'm fed up with EVH and he's simply a shitty person and has been for quite some time now. He doesn't deserve my hard-earned money, especially at those prices.

I could dispute a few of those, but I'm not going to bother. I don't want Wolfgang there and quite frankly he doesn't belong there, also because he's 16. He should be in school. Anyways, like I said, I'm fed up with EVH and he's simply a shitty person and has been for quite some time now. He doesn't deserve my hard-earned money, especially at those prices.

Dispute what , the tunes I was joking about or the ones I was serious about:confused:

Unfortunately, the way I see it, this tour has been put forward for ALL the WRONG reasons.

1) For Eddie to pimp Wolfgang, to put him on stage with a world class band to make him a "rockstar" before he reallly is one.

2) To take a shot at Mike (and Sam) for going out as The Other Half. Ed didn't like it, so they're no longer the other half of Van Halen.

3) Dave was only brought in to the equation because he was the only ace Eddie had left up his sleeve. To enable Wolfie to play in the big arenas the band needed Dave. There was no other choice.

4) I'm sure that Dave would have much preferred to have Mike on bass for the tour, however Ed would have made it clear that Mike was gone, Wolf was in, so don't argue or we'll find another singer. Dave was eager to be back in Van Halen, Ed knew that and took advantage of Dave's current low standing as a solo performer.

5) I'm sure Ed knew the Mike/Wolfie thing would tarnish Dave's return, at least a little bit, thus making the whole tour NOT be about Dave's return.

6) Van Halen is not a band anymore, it's a corporation run by it's principals, Ed and to a lesser extent Alex.

7) Ed pimping his son for this tour is worse than any cabo tequila pimping Sammy did in the past.

8) Eddie has clearly become a controlling, bitter and somewhat unforgiving indivdual. It's a shame, because when I was younger he really was one of my "heroes". How the mighty can fall.

My opinions only and these are some of the reasons I can't support this tour.

Many valid points mate, great post. You could also add to your #7 that Ed is pimping his gear. I find that hypocritical of him that he could slam both Mike and Hagar for selling their goods but it's okay for him to hawk overpriced gear. Oh yeah, Fender gets it! Riiiiiiight.:rolleyes:

OOPS.

I'm going to throw my tuppence worth into this debate...

I think all CVH fans were bitterly disappointed when it became apparent Mike wouldn't be on this tour. Like a lot of other people, I thought it was ridiculous for Wolfgang to take his place for a variety of reasons. Setting aside the fact that we all wanted to see MA in the role, it smacks of nepitism for Eddie's son to get the job. When I was sixteen my dad wanted me to play bass for his band (a moderately successful bar band) and I refused. I mean, God, I didn't want to be in a band with my dad! I wanted to be in a band with my friends. But my dad's band sure as hell wasn't Van Halen. But to criticise Wolfgang for this is grossly unfair, and he deserves a chance to prove himself.

It might have been as easier pill to swallow had VH gone with a seasoned bassist their own age, the obvious choice being Billy Sheehan seeing as he has some history from the DLR solo years. But I guess we'll never know now.

Anyway, I had always promised myself I would make the trip to the USA if the original lineup ever reformed. When it turned out it wasn't quite the full portion, I wasn't going to go. But then those YouTube clips surfaced and they sounded better than any bootleg I ever heard. My resolve broke down and I whipped out my credit card and bagged myself a whole heap of debt along with plane and concert tickets.

But here's a very important aspect to this whole debate: neither I, nor anyone else on this forum, knows what the real story is between MA and the other members. It may well be that Ed is just a bitter old man too full of resentment to set aside a grievance with Michael Anthony long enough to stage a true reunion. On the other hand, it may well be that MA did something beyond the pale and a full reunion is now impossible.

We just don't know.

I do wonder if alcohol is an issue in this mess, over and above EVH's addiction. The Jack Daniels swigging was a big part of MA's stage persona, as was Sammy's whole Tequila thing. Was there some conflict arising from that? That's probably a real stretch, but the point is, until someone officially comes clean and says what happened, we won't know.

So, I'll be flying in to see VH in NJ sans MA but with DLR. I could e kicking myself in a year or two when a real reunion occurs and I can't afford the trip, but it's equally likely this'll be the last time DLR and EVH appear on a stage together. I completely understand why someone would want to steer clear of this tour, particularly if you saw the Might Van Halen in their glory days. You probably have some great memories you don't want to taint. But for me, this could well be my last chance to see them. It may not be quite CVH, but (and I don't say this to spark a Sam vs Dave showdown) it's a damn sight closer than Van Hagar ever was. And I say that as someone who is a fan of both eras, admittedly with a bias towards DLR.

I learned to play guitar to VHI and 1984, in fact I was inspired to pick up the instrument by those albums. I went on to study music at college and worked in the music industry in one form or another for more than a decade. This music shaped who I am as a person, and this may be my last chance to see that music played on a stage by at least the majority of the original musicians. I can't pass that up.

Dispute what , the tunes I was joking about or the ones I was serious about:confused:

nevermind. My bad, I totally misread that. Sorry dude.

nevermind. My bad, I totally misread that. Sorry dude.

No prob , somtimes I just gotta swallow my pride and throw a little humor in.

As pumped up as I`am about the tour your post was a valid one and there could be a lot of truth to it. But then I see your "We Want Mike , Say No To Wolfie" slogan. Cmon man we all want Mike but Wolf didn`t through Mike out of the band. He`s a 16 year old kid so have a little respect and replace his name with the name of the person your really mad at.
I don't understand why I need to show Wolfie any respect whatsoever. I'm not a fan of his, he's only in the band because of his father. Sure, Ed's calling the shots, however Wolfie didn't have to go along with it.

Look, I don't mean to dispute Wolfie has some talent, but he hasn't earned the right to be in any band of the calibre of Van Halen.

Wolfie needs to start his own band and earn the right to play in front of these big crowds.

I stand by my "slogan", I still think it's relevant. Mike should still be the bassist in Van Halen. That said, it's not meant as a slam at Wolfie, but rather more of a statement to Ed, Alex & Dave. Fix the situation.

I stand by my "slogan", I still think it's relevant. Mike should still be the bassist in Van Halen. That said, it's not meant as a slam at Wolfie, but rather more of a statement to Ed, Alex & Dave. Fix the situation.

If that makes sense to you I guess that`s all that matters.

I don't understand why I need to show Wolfie any respect whatsoever. I'm not a fan of his, he's only in the band because of his father. Sure, Ed's calling the shots, however Wolfie didn't have to go along with it.

Look, I don't mean to dispute Wolfie has some talent, but he hasn't earned the right to be in any band of the calibre of Van Halen.

Wolfie needs to start his own band and earn the right to play in front of these big crowds.

I stand by my "slogan", I still think it's relevant. Mike should still be the bassist in Van Halen. That said, it's not meant as a slam at Wolfie, but rather more of a statement to Ed, Alex & Dave. Fix the situation.

unfortunately, if it wasn't wolfie it would be someone else other than mike.

unfortunately, if it wasn't wolfie it would be someone else other than mike.
Mike shouldn't have been replaced in the first place, however, if Eddie felt so strongly about it, then someone with more experience than Wolf and from the same era as the rest of the band would have been more appropriate.

Mike shouldn't have been replaced in the first place, however, if Eddie felt so strongly about it, then someone with more experience than Wolf and from the same era as the rest of the band would have been more appropriate.

I'm sorry but that makes no sense to me at all....like you said.............MIKE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN REPLACED IN THE FIRST PLACE!........Geezer Butler himself could have replaced Mikey....Jon Paul Jones....Billy Sheehan....it shouldn't make a damn difference....Wolfie is playing the parts as fine as any other replacement would have done....he is NOT Mikey though...period!

I don't understand why I need to show Wolfie any respect whatsoever. I'm not a fan of his, he's only in the band because of his father. Sure, Ed's calling the shots, however Wolfie didn't have to go along with it.

Look, I don't mean to dispute Wolfie has some talent, but he hasn't earned the right to be in any band of the calibre of Van Halen.

Wolfie needs to start his own band and earn the right to play in front of these big crowds.

I stand by my "slogan", I still think it's relevant. Mike should still be the bassist in Van Halen. That said, it's not meant as a slam at Wolfie, but rather more of a statement to Ed, Alex & Dave. Fix the situation.


Sure, Ed's calling the shots, however Wolfie didn't have to go along with it.

The kid is playing with his father for christ's sake....that is not a crime....does he deserve to be there with his Dad...well it's his Dad so I guess yeah he does.....now....Does he deserve to be there IN REPLACEMENT of Mike......NO HE DOESN'T....I just can't understand people who don't like Wolfie because he SHOULD HAVE said NO to his DAD'S offer to play in the band....Wolfie is not slamming Mike.....

That said, it's not meant as a slam at Wolfie, but rather more of a statement to Ed, Alex & Dave. Fix the situation.

THAT makes more sense! Wolfie shouldn't even have been offered...the only way Wolfie should have been offered is if Mikey died.....like Jason Bonham and his father....although Wolfie is Ed's son and not Mike's....but it would be a similar situation....

gee

i wonder if all we had the internet back in 1985 would you guys all be freaking out that you were losing the lead singer? lol

no offense but i have never in my life seen such a (in honour of brett) redikulus LOL thread or train of thought ever....

guys the band was dead in the water.... i am a classic van halen fan from the original days, and to be honest its a new band and its all good.... if this is what it took to resurrect it then great!

all any of you have to do is search a multitude of interviews from day one to realize for whatever reason ed has never liked mike.... so here we are 30 some-odd years later, and ed chose to offer this specific line up this has nothing to do whether dave or all have balls....

hell some of us had to suck it up for over a decade while our singer was put on the shelf....

so go protest, have a suck fest (cripes the guy will be out on the road within the month anyways) and while this stupid boycott continues and youre missing a great show.... what concert is it youre going to see instead that is out right now that will be as much fun?

hell at least i gave van hagar a chance 20 years ago and actually bought a ticket to 5150 before i left half way through.... *grin*

gee no offense but i have never in my life seen such a (in honour of brett) redikulus LOL thread or train of thought ever....

Stick around , you`ll see a lot more.

so go protest, have a suck fest (cripes the guy will be out on the road within the month anyways) and while this stupid boycott continues and youre missing a great show.... what concert is it youre going to see instead that is out right now that will be as much fun?

Megadeth last month was way more fun....Maiden in 08 will shred any tour apart including VH.....and for a lot of us Hagar with Anthony will be a helluva lot more fun than VH.....its a matter of perspective.

Our "stupid boycott" won't affect anyone going to see VH, and I don't think you see many of us telling VH fans not to go, rather to go and have a great time...no problem.

But for us....VH ain't the same without Mike, and its not about Roth or Hagar so don't try to convince us that "your" singer go kicked to the curb in 85 blah, blah, blah, IT AINT ABOUT THE SINGER!!! Its about the disrespect shown to a 30 year member that wasn't deserved!!!!! And that sucked out all the "fun" for me, and for the rest of us in this "stupid boycot."

Megadeth last month was way more fun....Maiden in 08 will shred any tour apart including VH.....and for a lot of us Hagar with Anthony will be a helluva lot more fun than VH.....its a matter of perspective.

Our "stupid boycott" won't affect anyone going to see VH, and I don't think you see many of us telling VH fans not to go, rather to go and have a great time...no problem.

But for us....VH ain't the same without Mike, and its not about Roth or Hagar so don't try to convince us that "your" singer go kicked to the curb in 85 blah, blah, blah, IT AINT ABOUT THE SINGER!!! Its about the disrespect shown to a 30 year member that wasn't deserved!!!!! And that sucked out all the "fun" for me, and for the rest of us in this "stupid boycot."


see THAT is the part that gets me.... this whole 'disresepct' thing, which seems the hagar fans are more into.... because sam is the PR master of bs as an entertainer, and good for him, but c'mon....

this has been going on for years, and your last tour was a big FAKE pile of $ grabbing crap, i mean really.... if any of you had a shred of dignity or common sense you would have held them accountable for all the crap they ALL put out in 2004 THAT was an embarassment.... and yet i would come on here and read some of the most pathetic pandering and all of you making excuses and THAT tour was a disgrace....

and its not about 'my' singer.... i was making a hypothetical point, having said that, YOU my friend, nor i nor anyone else knows what has gone on, is going on or will go on with all of them; for all we know mike IS the greatest guy in the world, or he could be a raging arsehole, the point is we DONT know what the real politics are.... so there is no use taking anyone's 'side'....

but funny how you would all have gone to the shows if he were playing bass, and probably enjoy yourself, but since he isnt there, we have boycotts, and you guys pickeing the tour apart.... how hypocritical....

but you will be there cheering like the village idiot if the they play van hagar or van halen songs (without the guitarist or drummer) how ironic....

and God love ya mate if megadeth or maiden rock your boat more than this....


as i said in the rest of my last entry i went to the 5150 tour to give it a chance, and when i realized sam was the phil collins of hard rock i left, but i DID go, and i did buy the album.... regardless of how roth left.... i didnt start a nationwide boycott and go off sucking out that the bass player was disrespected....

:sleep:

Cool.....have fun at the show, man.

<shrug>

Why is it that some people still make this out to be Dave vs. Sam? It really is unbelievable. Let it fucking go!

I'm sorry but that makes no sense to me at all....like you said.............MIKE SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN REPLACED IN THE FIRST PLACE!........Geezer Butler himself could have replaced Mikey....Jon Paul Jones....Billy Sheehan....it shouldn't make a damn difference....Wolfie is playing the parts as fine as any other replacement would have done....he is NOT Mikey though...period!
Because you're only 19 (not much older than Wolfie), I'll accept you don't understand what I said due to naivety.

Because you're only 19 (not much older than Wolfie), I'll accept you don't understand what I said due to naivety.

19-16 = 3...What do ya know...I am not much older than Wolfie...didn't realize that......but you are really showing your age in lumping Wolfie in with Ed and Al when it comes to who takes the blame for kicking Mikey out....:rolleyes:...

I just don't understand when people say...."They should of at least gotten an accomplished bass player if they WERE gonna replace Mikey...."

....I understand your sentiment because in the end I agree with you....but who are we to say if Wolfie should have said NO to his Dad's request...the kid wanted to play with his Dad...I can respect that....I also respect the fact that some people don't appreciate that....PLUS....Mike is happy right now playing with Sammy and that's all I care about....if the guy is happy.....does he DESERVE to be on this 2007 VH Tour...YES...more than anybody....Did he get shafted?....YES...more than anybody....

But I really don't think we need people constantly saying, "Wolfie was wrong and he should have said NO!...the kid is too young to understand about this band....he should have had the respect to ask Mikey's opinion..yada...yada..yada..."

Helll even Mikey says he's a good kid and we shouldn't rag on him...

But what do I know.....I'm 19.....

I don't understand why I need to show Wolfie any respect whatsoever.

.....a kid that has done nothing wrong...he hasn't screwed us...he hasn't bad mouthed us..........And you're an adult.......:D

Most of the boycotters that I talked to loved the show...:thumb:


Wolfie's doing a great job...

Most of the boycotters that I talked to loved the show...:thumb:


Wolfie's doing a great job...


How would they know if they boycotted it....:D :thumb:

This tour is gonna rock!! Already got my tix!! Fuck the haters that just cant afford to go. You know deep down you want to. They sure as shit rocked Cleveland. Wolfie was very impressive as was of course everybody else.

How would they know if they boycotted it....:D :thumb:


Exactly...!

19-16 = 3...What do ya know...I am not much older than Wolfie...didn't realize that......but you are really showing your age in lumping Wolfie in with Ed and Al when it comes to who takes the blame for kicking Mikey out....:rolleyes:...

I just don't understand when people say...."They should of at least gotten an accomplished bass player if they WERE gonna replace Mikey...."

....I understand your sentiment because in the end I agree with you....but who are we to say if Wolfie should have said NO to his Dad's request...the kid wanted to play with his Dad...I can respect that....I also respect the fact that some people don't appreciate that....PLUS....Mike is happy right now playing with Sammy and that's all I care about....if the guy is happy.....does he DESERVE to be on this 2007 VH Tour...YES...more than anybody....Did he get shafted?....YES...more than anybody....

But I really don't think we need people constantly saying, "Wolfie was wrong and he should have said NO!...the kid is too young to understand about this band....he should have had the respect to ask Mikey's opinion..yada...yada..yada..."

Helll even Mikey says he's a good kid and we shouldn't rag on him...

But what do I know.....I'm 19.....



.....a kid that has done nothing wrong...he hasn't screwed us...he hasn't bad mouthed us..........And you're an adult.......:D
You still don't get the point I'm trying to make do you...

I don't blame Wolf for the current lame line-up of Van Halen, I blame Ed and Al. The only point I was making about Wolf was that he didn't have to go along with it. Did you go along with everything your parents asked you to do when you were 16? That's the point, Wolfie did have a choice. I'm not suggesting he's the "villain", but he could have suggested other options. Eddie and Wolfie could still have played together on stage or in the studio, however it would have been far more appropriate for them to do it as a solo project for Ed, or for Wolfie to start something of his own.

For his age I'm sure Wolfie is a good player, I don't dispute that. I do believe however, that he won't amount to much after Van Halen. Ultimately I think him joining the band will do him more harm than good in the long run if he chooses to form a band of his own. There's every chance he'll be labelled a "has been" before his career even starts. That's trying to look at it from an objective point of view, the music industry is a tough business.

I still don't understand why you feel I owe Wolfie any respect. Respect needs to be earned. Wolfie has nothing to do with Van Halen's history. He didn't contribute to anything that made the band great in the first place, plus as far as I'm concerned, he can't give the band anything that Mike couldn't do better. Wolfie hasn't given the fans anything. Besides, I don't think a 16 year old should be a full-time member of any band of this calibre. From a professional point of view he hasn't earned that right. At least Gary Cherone had a history before he joined Van Halen.

Anyway, I'm sorry you don't get where I coming from, but it's the way I see it. I wouldn't pay $100 to see any band as legendary as Van Halen with a kid on bass or any other primary instrument. My opinion only.

Anyway, although I see Wolfie as a negative for Van Halen, I don't mean to suggest he is not talented. It is ultimately Ed and Al who've turned this band into one of the greatest rock n' roll soap operas.

You still don't get the point I'm trying to make do you...

I don't blame Wolf for the current lame line-up of Van Halen, I blame Ed and Al. The only point I was making about Wolf was that he didn't have to go along with it. Did you go along with everything your parents asked you to do when you were 16? That's the point, Wolfie did have a choice. I'm not suggesting he's the "villain", but he could have suggested other options. Eddie and Wolfie could still have played together on stage or in the studio, however it would have been far more appropriate for them to do it as a solo project for Ed, or for Wolfie to start something of his own.

For his age I'm sure Wolfie is a good player, I don't dispute that. I do believe however, that he won't amount to much after Van Halen. Ultimately I think him joining the band will do him more harm than good in the long run if he chooses to form a band of his own. There's every chance he'll be labelled a "has been" before his career even starts. That's trying to look at it from an objective point of view, the music industry is a tough business.

I still don't understand why you feel I owe Wolfie any respect. Respect needs to be earned. Wolfie has nothing to do with Van Halen's history. He didn't contribute to anything that made the band great in the first place, plus as far as I'm concerned, he can't give the band anything that Mike couldn't do better. Wolfie hasn't given the fans anything. Besides, I don't think a 16 year old should be a full-time member of any band of this calibre. From a professional point of view he hasn't earned that right. At least Gary Cherone had a history before he joined Van Halen.

Anyway, I'm sorry you don't get where I coming from, but it's the way I see it. I wouldn't pay $100 to see any band as legendary as Van Halen with a kid on bass or any other primary instrument. My opinion only.

Anyway, although I see Wolfie as a negative for Van Halen, I don't mean to suggest he is not talented. It is ultimately Ed and Al who've turned this band into one of the greatest rock n' roll soap operas.



haha gee brett and THIS isnt repetitive? LMAO

first as for wolfie "not having to go along with it" is blatantly absurd.... you are trying to equate this with some teen not cutting his hair or something....
please, you get a chance to do a tour with your dad, hell i would take it.... as would most everyone else on here....

second, its not ed / al; its ALL of them: they have ALL contributed to the silliness and tarnishing of the band.... NO ONE, including the apparently sainted mike is clean on this one.... and that has been festering since day one 100 years ago.... obviously some of the threads of tension were just more easily hidden back in the pre-internet / pre-sam days....

third, and probably most important - it looks like none of us would even be having this or any other VH 2007 discussion if it werent for the kid! if wolf is what drives ed right now, then that is the reality

so basically the protest is about finally getting some version of the band back, getting it, not liking it exactly and then crapping on it....

the ironic part is you guys seem to be arguing for EXACTLY what i thought should have been done in 1985 - a name change.... and then there would have been peace all this time, and even now....

but then again when you think about it, how many bands have gone through personel changes and no one could care less....

that has to say something for ALL versions of this band....

You still don't get the point I'm trying to make do you...

I don't blame Wolf for the current lame line-up of Van Halen, I blame Ed and Al. The only point I was making about Wolf was that he didn't have to go along with it. Did you go along with everything your parents asked you to do when you were 16? That's the point, Wolfie did have a choice. I'm not suggesting he's the "villain", but he could have suggested other options. Eddie and Wolfie could still have played together on stage or in the studio, however it would have been far more appropriate for them to do it as a solo project for Ed, or for Wolfie to start something of his own.

For his age I'm sure Wolfie is a good player, I don't dispute that. I do believe however, that he won't amount to much after Van Halen. Ultimately I think him joining the band will do him more harm than good in the long run if he chooses to form a band of his own. There's every chance he'll be labelled a "has been" before his career even starts. That's trying to look at it from an objective point of view, the music industry is a tough business.

I still don't understand why you feel I owe Wolfie any respect. Respect needs to be earned. Wolfie has nothing to do with Van Halen's history. He didn't contribute to anything that made the band great in the first place, plus as far as I'm concerned, he can't give the band anything that Mike couldn't do better. Wolfie hasn't given the fans anything. Besides, I don't think a 16 year old should be a full-time member of any band of this calibre. From a professional point of view he hasn't earned that right. At least Gary Cherone had a history before he joined Van Halen.

Anyway, I'm sorry you don't get where I coming from, but it's the way I see it. I wouldn't pay $100 to see any band as legendary as Van Halen with a kid on bass or any other primary instrument. My opinion only.

Anyway, although I see Wolfie as a negative for Van Halen, I don't mean to suggest he is not talented. It is ultimately Ed and Al who've turned this band into one of the greatest rock n' roll soap operas.

I'm not suggesting he's the "villain", but he could have suggested other options.

One second your saying that 16 is too young to be playing in this band...and in the next sentence your saying that he should have suggested other options....its not his band....the rest of your post I agree with apart from Wolfie being a negative for VH....is he gonna be as positive as Mikey...only time will tell...

Anyway, I'm sorry you don't get where I coming from, but it's the way I see it. I wouldn't pay $100 to see any band as legendary as Van Halen with a kid on bass or any other primary instrument. My opinion only.

I do see where you are coming from and I respect your opinion...cause in the end I agree with 95% of it...:thumb:

Mikey deserves to be there more than ANYBODY, but it is what it is...

and its not about 'my' singer.... i was making a hypothetical point, having said that, YOU my friend, nor i nor anyone else knows what has gone on, is going on or will go on with all of them; for all we know mike IS the greatest guy in the world, or he could be a raging arsehole, the point is we DONT know what the real politics are.... so there is no use taking anyone's 'side'....

but funny how you would all have gone to the shows if he were playing bass, and probably enjoy yourself, but since he isnt there, we have boycotts, and you guys pickeing the tour apart.... how hypocritical....

but you will be there cheering like the village idiot if the they play van hagar or van halen songs (without the guitarist or drummer) how ironic....:sleep:


That's what I don't get either. I'm sure a lot of people here saw VH in concert three different times with three different singers, but now you don't want to go because Mike is no longer in the band?

Ya know, even though Mikey was the nicest guy of the bunch, and seems to be the most level headed of all of them, to me a boycott isn't worth it. I mean come on, aside from Geddy Lee, Gene Simmons, and Lemmy (for those of you that like Motorhead) who goes to a concert to see the bassist. This band is not centered on the bassist, its centered on the lead singer and Eddie. FWIW - The fat kid held his own at last nights show. He's no Mike but like I said who goes to see the MIGHTY VH and focuses on the bass player? not me...
Do'n get me wrong I still don't understand why they would out Mike except to get the Wolfgang in, but a boycott??

That's what I don't get either. I'm sure a lot of people here saw VH in concert three different times with three different singers, but now you don't want to go because Mike is no longer in the band?

what I don't get is why some of you post in Mike's forum....its Mike's forum, why would any of you come here seemingly just to start shit :confused:

You won't see me in any other threads talking shit about Wolf or Dave...maybe Ed, but who cares? Enjoy the show.....I mean really, have fun. Ignore us who want to support Mike even when its meaningless to the tour or any of you who don't "get" why we aren't going....

Ya know, even though Mikey was the nicest guy of the bunch, and seems to be the most level headed of all of them, to me a boycott isn't worth it. I mean come on, aside from Geddy Lee, Gene Simmons, and Lemmy (for those of you that like Motorhead) who goes to a concert to see the bassist. This band is not centered on the bassist, its centered on the lead singer and Eddie. FWIW - The fat kid held his own at last nights show. He's no Mike but like I said who goes to see the MIGHTY VH and focuses on the bass player? not me...
Do'n get me wrong I still don't understand why they would out Mike except to get the Wolfgang in, but a boycott??

Why don't you understand why they got rid of Mikey? I'll answer that for you....NONE OF US UNDERSTAND...hence the frustration...the guy didn't say a bad word about Ed or Al or anybody while in the band...never in the 25 years did you ever hear a bad word or accusation come out of his mouth that would have caused a shit storm.....

And the fat jokes about Wolfie are old for one...but coming from an adult they are really un-necessary and inappropriate....so what if he's a big kid...the kid plays mean bass....leave it at that....your not making anybody laugh (well I'm not so sure with the crowd we got around here now.....) by saying those jokes....that's why I'm tired of many people playing the age card here in regards to fandom...because to tell you the truth...many old folk here who were around since 1984...show no evidence that their age is what it says in that little box on the left....it's ridiculous....I know its one comment...but it's stupid and it doesn't need to be said...

what I don't get is why some of you post in Mike's forum....its Mike's forum, why would any of you come here seemingly just to start shit :confused:

You won't see me in any other threads talking shit about Wolf or Dave...maybe Ed, but who cares? Enjoy the show.....I mean really, have fun. Ignore us who want to support Mike even when its meaningless to the tour or any of you who don't "get" why we aren't going....



Who's talking shit about Mike? I just re-read my post and I didn't see anywhere that I said anything negative about Mike. You call that starting shit? As far as you saying you won't talk shit about Wolf or Dave, what is that to me? You can talk all of the shit you want about any of the present or former members of Van Halen for all I care. I don't know any of these guys and could really care less what you or anybody else says about them.

One second your saying that 16 is too young to be playing in this band...and in the next sentence your saying that he should have suggested other options....its not his band....
Obviously Van Halen is not Wolfie's band, it never will be. It's Ed & Al's, at least it is now.

I really don't quite get the point your arguing. Yes, I think Wolfie is too young to be a member in Van Halen. I do however, understand that Eddie would want to play with Wolfie & vice versa, but either of them could have suggested other options. That is, options other than playing in Van Halen. Side projects, new band for Wolfie, etc.

Anyway, I'm not going to go over it all again. If you don't understand my point, it's cool.

the rest of your post I agree with apart from Wolfie being a negative for VH....is he gonna be as positive as Mikey...only time will tell....
For me that will never be the case, no matter how good a player he is. Like Gary, he'll always be a footnote in the bands legacy.

Remember, this is a pro Mike forum. :)

Obviously Van Halen is not Wolfie's band, it never will be. It's Ed & Al's, at least it is now.

I really don't quite get the point your arguing. Yes, I think Wolfie is too young to be a member in Van Halen. I do however, understand that Eddie would want to play with Wolfie & vice versa, but either of them could have suggested other options. That is, options other than playing in Van Halen. Side projects, new band for Wolfie, etc.

Anyway, I'm not going to go over it all again. If you don't understand my point, it's cool.


For me that will never be the case, no matter how good a player he is. Like Gary, he'll always be a footnote in the bands legacy.

Remember, this is a pro Mike forum. :)

Of course they COULD HAVE created side projects...but they didn't....so I'm going to accept it for what it is...3/4 of the original line-up...plus I'm going to see Sammy AND MIKE in Detroit on Nov 2.....so I'm getting the best of both worlds.....:thumb: :bounce:

because to tell you the truth...many old folk here who were around since 1984...show no evidence that their age is what it says in that little box on the left...

I remember sometime in my mid-20s when I realized that grown-ups don't always act like grown-ups in the way we think they do when we're kids.

I remember sometime in my mid-20s when I realized that grown-ups don't always act like grown-ups in the way we think they do when we're kids.

Not to get off topic but ain`t that the truth. And that`s not geared at people on these fromus , even though we do tend to act like little brats:D

First of all, it IS a reunion tour. Google Van Halen in the news section and show me one article that doesn't use the word "reunion". Now that that is straight, accepting anything other than the four founding members as "the band" is unacceptable to true fans. We should not have to pay for retooled branding of this band for the forth time.

Dave said the same thing that Sammy said in 2004, "we are back and we are going to be back for a longtime". It was crap then and it is crap now. This is all for the money and ripping off the fans...again.

Are you saying that $195.00-$695.00 is worth it without the real deal , Mike, on the stage? Are you that starved to return to 1984 to Dave and Eddie on the same stage? Give me a break. Hope you have tickets to an early show my friend.

Be real, Roth cannot handle the 50 city work load. Watch as it implodes by November!


is it November yet?

Rumors of the tour's demise were greatly exagerated... but it ain't over yet.

Wow this thread is still open? The tour's obviously not being boycotted. Well except by me maybe. ;)

Wow this thread is still open? The tour's obviously not being boycotted. Well except by me maybe. ;)

I'm still with ya :)

is it November yet?

Its December :thumb:

Can this post be put to rest ?
The band is planning the second leg of the tour.
Come on, let it go.

Can this post be put to rest ?
The band is planning the second leg of the tour.
Come on, let it go.

Still not going.....not without "Sauce Sobelewski".

This forum and thread exist so we don't forget what real Van Halen is like. I know I'll never let it go, and this decision to kick Mike out is precisely why I don't support this band anymore. It's a nostalgic forum so we don't get over it, and nor should we, not those of who recognize Mike as an integral part of VH. This thread will die down eventually, I just hope the forum never does.

Can this post be put to rest ?
The band is planning the second leg of the tour.
Come on, let it go.

Yeah put the post to rest but keep the thread itself open. ;)

I can't even describe my disinterest in VH IV.

I can't even describe my disinterest in VH IV.

sure u can - you've told us all dozens of times. :D

sure u can - you've told us all dozens of times. :D

Guilty as charged! I'm up on the same charges.

Hey same here. I'm still waiting for the hearing date but haven't heard anything. Guess it's guilty until proven innocent?

It's really affected my ability to post. j/k! :p

look at all the people here toniiiiiight :D

:p

I can't help myself, I'm too weak. So I will see them in Feb. in New Orleans, but not without some mixed emotions and reservations. Mike is a great guy and should never have been treated like this. It is a shame that Ed is such an great talent but has some really serious character flaws. It's like he still think on a 9th grade level. "I'll show that MF for plying with Sam when I was ruining my life with alcohol"!!! Sad.

I can't help myself, I'm too weak. So I will see them in Feb. in New Orleans, but not without some mixed emotions and reservations.

Dude....you dont have to explain yourself. Go fer it...have a blast. Mike would tell you the same. :thumb:

I can't help myself, I'm too weak. So I will see them in Feb. in New Orleans, but not without some mixed emotions and reservations. Mike is a great guy and should never have been treated like this. It is a shame that Ed is such an great talent but has some really serious character flaws. It's like he still think on a 9th grade level. "I'll show that MF for plying with Sam when I was ruining my life with alcohol"!!! Sad.

My conscience is clear. Going to the OKC show with my son. Took him to the 2004 tour and to see Sammy and Mike in Dallas in 2006.Was gonna take him to the Sammy show in Tulsa in October but he had a prior commitment.

None of us fans have a dog in this fight.I don't believe any of the "solid posters" on this site would think any less of anyone going. To those that do?
Whatever. I'm a forty-four year old man that gets to go to concerts with his son.WITH HIS SON!!! Are you kidding me?!? That shit is priceless!

It doesn't matter if you go to the gig or not, Mike would probably tell you to go himself...

The only thing that really bugs me is people ripping Mike, saying he's not missed or that Wolfie's a better player. All total bullshit.

The only thing that really bugs me is people ripping Mike, saying he's not missed or that Wolfie's a better player. All total bullshit.

I believe the term that's being whipped around is "expendable".

I don't care who you are - that's just being a dick.

I believe the term that's being whipped around is "expendable".

I don't care who you are - that's just being a dick.

Unfortunately it's a true statement. Which I guess hurts some people. Whoever said life is always fair? The guy has had an amazing run. Now he's out having a little more fun, not having to answer to his boss anymore, but continuing to trade on his VH connection.

Pasted the reply I posted in another Mikey thread (they all seem the same in here)...
Hey as we all know Mike is a pretty class guy and seems pretty genuine. But I think Ed has wanted to make a change on bass for a long time. Quotes like that Fair Warning interview weren't all that hard to find. They weren't always direct and blunt quotes like that. But you could read a little between the lines at that time, and there were always a lot of rumors in that regard.

As far as a reflection on Ed's character? I think it says something that he stuck with him as long as he did, even though he was unhappy. There was a good line in Cinderella Man, by the promoter of a Braddock fight when Braddocks manager sarcastically said "You're all heart" the promoters reply was ..."My heart is for my family, my brains and balls are for business"

My conscience is clear. Going to the OKC show with my son. Took him to the 2004 tour and to see Sammy and Mike in Dallas in 2006.Was gonna take him to the Sammy show in Tulsa in October but he had a prior commitment.

None of us fans have a dog in this fight.I don't believe any of the "solid posters" on this site would think any less of anyone going. To those that do?
Whatever. I'm a forty-four year old man that gets to go to concerts with his son.WITH HIS SON!!! Are you kidding me?!? That shit is priceless!Thats awesome to be able to experience something like that with your son. I bought an extra ticket for my daughter. She used to like a lot more rock bands, but at 14, she has gravitated toward whats popular with her peers.(pop and hip hop) Despite that, I think she will have a great time once she gets to the show, the energy, the music, and personality should be great.:)

Pasted the reply I posted in another Mikey thread (they all seem the same in here)...
Hey as we all know Mike is a pretty class guy and seems pretty genuine. But I think Ed has wanted to make a change on bass for a long time. Quotes like that Fair Warning interview weren't all that hard to find. They weren't always direct and blunt quotes like that. But you could read a little between the lines at that time, and there were always a lot of rumors in that regard.

As far as a reflection on Ed's character? I think it says something that he stuck with him as long as he did, even though he was unhappy. There was a good line in Cinderella Man, by the promoter of a Braddock fight when Braddocks manager sarcastically said "You're all heart" the promoters reply was ..."My heart is for my family, my brains and balls are for business"
Yeah, yeah...

If that really was the case, wouldn't Eddie want a BETTER player than Mike?

Wolfie certainly doesn't fit that criteria...

Yeah, yeah...

If that really was the case, wouldn't Eddie want a BETTER player than Mike?

Wolfie certainly doesn't fit that criteria...

not necessarily.

hiring someone other than Wolfie would make even less sense. you can see his logic of including his kid (keeps more money at home, chance to play with his son). Including someone other than Mike or Wolfie makes no sense whatsoever. Then you're booting Mike just to boot him.

trite

hiring someone other than Wolfie would make even less sense. you can see his logic of including his kid (keeps more money at home, chance to play with his son).
I don't see his logic at all. Ed's desire to play with Wolfie came at too high a price, the dismissal of Mike. I'd rather Ed jammed with his kid at home. I have no interest in seeing it, especially in the current circumstance.

Including someone other than Mike or Wolfie makes no sense whatsoever. Then you're booting Mike just to boot him.
They booted Mike "just to boot him" anyway. They didn't NEED to. Wolfie makes no sense to me as a member of Van Halen and never will.

EVH is insecure. I don't get it because I can't do anything in my life 1/1,000 of the way he plays guitar. But he is. I see it as the dad that started the business bringing in the son for the future. If it works well, we could have another 50 years of VH. If it doesn't, another experiment on the scrap heap.

As far as MA, he has my hard-earned buck for anywhere in PA. He is a good guy and a good musician.

"EVH is insecure." In other words, he's human? No...say it isn't so.

Ed's humanity isn't an excuse for the kind of human he is (not that you're implying that). Anyways, point of this thread, I'm still not going to see "The Van Halen family featuring David Lee Roth", no thanks :)

How's the "boycott" coming along....?

:rolleyes:

Anyways, point of this thread, I'm still not going to see "The Van Halen family featuring David Lee Roth", no thanks :)

Cool and somewhat respectable. :cool:

Yet and despite the "boycott" the wheels of the tour bus continue to go round and round, round and round...

The tickets continue to sell, sell, sell... Sell, sell, sell... :p

The sold out arenas go cheer, cheer, cheer... Cheer, cheer, cheer... ;)

The wheels on the bus go round and round...

Boycotts are highly over-rated. Girlcotts on the other hand...

Cool and somewhat respectable. :cool:

Yet and despite the "boycott" the wheels of the tour bus continue to go round and round, round and round...

The tickets continue to sell, sell, sell... Sell, sell, sell... :p

The sold out arenas go cheer, cheer, cheer... Cheer, cheer, cheer... ;)

That's got nothing to do with me, the band hasn't fallen apart because Eddie finally got control over everyone and everything. The only reason it sells is because people only know who Eddie and Dave are, they're not sure who the kid is and they don't know the drummer's name. You guys are part of the probably 5% of show goers who know who's who.

I don't see his logic at all. Ed's desire to play with Wolfie came at too high a price, the dismissal of Mike. I'd rather Ed jammed with his kid at home. I have no interest in seeing it, especially in the current circumstance.


They booted Mike "just to boot him" anyway. They didn't NEED to. Wolfie makes no sense to me as a member of Van Halen and never will.

did it come at too high a price? It doesn't seemed to have. If the price is simply the dismissal of mike, being that Ed is the one paying the "price" he seemed to be all to happy to pay it. If the "price" is loss of those people who are boycotting the show, again, seems like a very small price, from his perspective. If you want to get into the idea of the price being legacy/legitimacy of the "original" lineup...well...there's something to be said for that but again, being that Ed is the one making that decision, doesn't seem like it was too big a price to pay. He wanted his son in and Mike out. I respect the idea of the boycott and certainly don't think any less of of anyone's decision to sit this one out...but the decision makes sense. You may not agree with the decision but from ed's point of view, I can see how it makes all the sense in the world and that that the "price," again from his point of view, seems pretty reasonable.

That's got nothing to do with me, the band hasn't fallen apart because Eddie finally got control over everyone and everything. The only reason it sells is because people only know who Eddie and Dave are, they're not sure who the kid is and they don't know the drummer's name. You guys are part of the probably 5% of show goers who know who's who.


Most real music fans know who Alex is. And you could say that every past tour- all 13 with Mike sold well inspite of most people not knowing who the bass player was

Ever mention Van Halen and the person (idiot) you're talking asks, "Who's he?" :irked:

Just wondering.

I always got so pissed in high school when I'd say I love Van Halen and somebody would say "I love him!". Now unless they actually meant one of his solos, okay, fine. But VH is a band DAMNIT

did it come at too high a price? It doesn't seemed to have. If the price is simply the dismissal of mike, being that Ed is the one paying the "price" he seemed to be all to happy to pay it. If the "price" is loss of those people who are boycotting the show, again, seems like a very small price, from his perspective. If you want to get into the idea of the price being legacy/legitimacy of the "original" lineup...well...there's something to be said for that but again, being that Ed is the one making that decision, doesn't seem like it was too big a price to pay. He wanted his son in and Mike out. I respect the idea of the boycott and certainly don't think any less of of anyone's decision to sit this one out...but the decision makes sense. You may not agree with the decision but from ed's point of view, I can see how it makes all the sense in the world and that that the "price," again from his point of view, seems pretty reasonable.
I understand the point you make, many fans are keen to see the current tour because Dave is back. That's ok.

I've never seen Dave in Van Halen either, but I'd never see the band live, regardless of who's singing if Wolfie is in the band.

A group with the history these guys have recruiting a 16 year old is just stupid as far as I'm concerned. I'd never pay to see it.

As for Ed, he just seems to be abusing that "higher power" he seems to have found in recent years.

I'd buy a new studio album if VHIV ever release one, but that's the only compromise I'd make.

I'd buy a new studio album if VHIV ever release one, but that's the only compromise I'd make.

i won't see the show but i'll buy the album

HAHAHAHAHAAHA

What's wrong with that?

That's got nothing to do with me, the band hasn't fallen apart because Eddie finally got control over everyone and everything. The only reason it sells is because people only know who Eddie and Dave are, they're not sure who the kid is and they don't know the drummer's name. You guys are part of the probably 5% of show goers who know who's who.

i know dozens of people who were at the Toronto show this year. The same people were there in 2004, and for the Gary show, and for all the other tours they've done here that I've seen. Don't fool yourself into believe that most of the "real fans" stayed home ATBL. You are in the minority on this one, and a pretty small minority at that.

Most fans have just chosen to accept the band with Wolfie, just like we did with Sam, and then with Gary, and then with Sam again, and then with Dave again. Just like we will if Mike or Sam ever come back.

I don't see his logic at all. Ed's desire to play with Wolfie came at too high a price, the dismissal of Mike. I'd rather Ed jammed with his kid at home. I have no interest in seeing it, especially in the current circumstance.


They booted Mike "just to boot him" anyway. They didn't NEED to. Wolfie makes no sense to me as a member of Van Halen and never will.


Not having Mike there sucks but the one issue I always have with this argument is that you have to believe that there would have been a tour without Wolfie. I, for one, don't think this was ever in the cards. I don't think we have any reason to believe this was gonna happen if Wolfie never picked up a bass. I don't think our options were (1) tour wth Mike or (2) tour with Wolfie - all VH fans would have picked option 1 before the tour.

I think our options were (1) tour with Wolfie or (2) Ed sits at home and continues to work on that 10 albums worth of material. Most fans have voted with thier feet on this one.

i know dozens of people who were at the Toronto show this year. The same people were there in 2004, and for the Gary show, and for all the other tours they've done here that I've seen. Don't fool yourself into believe that most of the "real fans" stayed home ATBL. You are in the minority on this one, and a pretty small minority at that.

Most fans have just chosen to accept the band with Wolfie, just like we did with Sam, and then with Gary, and then with Sam again, and then with Dave again. Just like we will if Mike or Sam ever come back.

I never said anything about "real fans" not going, but the majority of people at those shows aren't hardcore fans, they're concert goers, and and there's a lot more of them than there are hardcore fans.
The pretenses under which Wolfgang was given the job are what make his position so hard for me to accept. Everybody seems so caught up in his and Eddie's little "father-son" thing that they forget what kind of a person Eddie is, the way he treats people, and the way he's made a living out of turning his back on the fans, and I'm leaving his personal issues out of this because they've been well documented. This is the main reason I can't go to the tour, it's hard enough to see them without Mike, but it's even harder to think of giving EVH any more hard earned money for an overpriced ticket with a 3/4 original line-up. That's nothing against those who choose to go, I know the shows have been good, I know people don't mind paying for it, but I appreciate this band for what it was, not what it's become. It's nostalgia done wrong, and if you get anything other than a greatest hits package with Wolfie playing over all of Mike's parts then count yourself lucky.

I never said anything about "real fans" not going, but the majority of people at those shows aren't hardcore fans, they're concert goers, and and there's a lot more of them than there are hardcore fans.
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atbl, it would be the same fans in attendance if Mike was included. Don't kid yourself.

atbl, it would be the same fans in attendance if Mike was included. Don't kid yourself.

Yeah, I never said that either. Fuck, even Dave calls Mike "the bass player" all throughout his autobiography. It's a shame, really.

Yeah, I never said that either. Fuck, even Dave calls Mike "the bass player" all throughout his autobiography.

Mike's great, I think most VH fans love the guy because he's kind of the average guy in a rock band. He doesn't have rock star ego thing. And while we all love this about him, the sad truth is that people don't pay to see the average guy - they pay to see rock star. The arenas are packed (mainly with diehards that know the words to every song) with people that want to see Dave and Ed. They're the "sexy guys" in the band - the ticket sellers.

Growing up most of us had a poster of Ed in our room and probably one of Dave or Sam. Unless it was a group shot, there was a very real chance Mike wasn't on your wall.

I think it was Menlow who perfectly said this a while back. With Mike maybe they can attract 22,000 fans instead of 20,000 fans in any given city. But what difference does it make if the areana seats 18,000.

Mike's great, I think most VH fans love the guy because he's kind of the average guy in a rock band. He doesn't have rock star ego thing. And while we all love this about him, the sad truth is that people don't pay to see the average guy - they pay to see rock star. The arenas are packed (mainly with diehards that know the words to every song) with people that want to see Dave and Ed. They're the "sexy guys" in the band - the ticket sellers.

Growing up most of us had a poster of Ed in our room and probably one of Dave or Sam. Unless it was a group shot, there was a very real chance Mike wasn't on your wall.

I think it was Menlow who perfectly said this a while back. With Mike maybe they can attract 22,000 fans instead of 20,000 fans in any given city. But what difference does it make if the areana seats 18,000.

Yup can't argue with that. That being said, I take some solace in the fact that whenever someone new has their world flipped upside down by the first VH album, they'll open the booklet and see Mike's name.

Yup can't argue with that. That being said, I take some solace in the fact that whenever someone new has their world flipped upside down by the first VH album, they'll open the booklet and see Mike's name.

as well they should. As I've always said, VH to me is 3 guys Ed, Al and Mike.

I understand the point you make, many fans are keen to see the current tour because Dave is back. That's ok.

I've never seen Dave in Van Halen either, but I'd never see the band live, regardless of who's singing if Wolfie is in the band.

A group with the history these guys have recruiting a 16 year old is just stupid as far as I'm concerned. I'd never pay to see it.

As for Ed, he just seems to be abusing that "higher power" he seems to have found in recent years.

I'd buy a new studio album if VHIV ever release one, but that's the only compromise I'd make.

there have been lots of bands with history that bring in young inexperienced players...I saw the Turtles live several years back and they had a young kid, guitar virtuoso they were featuring. I think Chicago brought a young kid with them as well...Wolfie's age has absolutely no bearing on the situation for me and realistically, shouldn't for anyone else either. I completely get the Mike issue but pointing to Wolfie's age as something that bolsters the argument is really nothing more than grasping at straws.

I'm down with anyone who thinks that Mike should be on this tour and from a certain perspective I agree completely but the emphasis you put on Wolfie's age being one of, if not THE, deciding factor in why you'd never pay to see it is confusing to me.

When we all imagine what it would be like to be in a rock band, we picture Mike. That's because we think "Man if I ever got the chance I'd love every minute of it". Mike seems to love what he does. We get upset to see people live the life they dreamed of or we dream of, then screw it up with drugs, dying, bad decisions..even being angry at their lifestyles.

Maybe I shouldn't keep referring to 'we'. If I was a rock star, I'd have Eddie's talent and Mike's attitutude.

And McCartney's money.

i won't see the show but i'll buy the album

HAHAHAHAHAAHA
What's so funny?

I own evey legitimate recording Eddie & Alex have been involved in, so yes, regardless of the current bassist situation, I'd still buy a new album.

I also own everything Dave and Mike have recorded, with the exception of the third Laidlaw album, which was the second album of their's Mike contributed to.

Of course I'd still buy a new Van Halen disc, I bought Van Halen III as well, even though I wasn't overly keen on Gary's appointment as frontman.

However, I have no interest in spending money on a live show unless it's either the 1st or 2nd lineup of the band. Preferrably the 1st. :)

Just because I'd buy the new album does not mean I'm cool with Wolfie's position in the band. It's a concession I'd make to hear new music from the rest of the guys...

Not having Mike there sucks but the one issue I always have with this argument is that you have to believe that there would have been a tour without Wolfie. I, for one, don't think this was ever in the cards. I don't think we have any reason to believe this was gonna happen if Wolfie never picked up a bass. I don't think our options were (1) tour wth Mike or (2) tour with Wolfie - all VH fans would have picked option 1 before the tour.

I think our options were (1) tour with Wolfie or (2) Ed sits at home and continues to work on that 10 albums worth of material. Most fans have voted with thier feet on this one.
I just don't believe Wolfie was responsible for the tour at all, Eddie was. Ed wanted to play with his kid and also make a point to Mike and Sam. That's all.

I think the whole Wolfie got Van Halen back together bullshit is just hearsay from the fans. If Wolfie was as big a fan of the original band as the rest of us, he'd have convinced his dad to continue with Mike.

What's so funny?

I own evey legitimate recording Eddie & Alex have been involved in, so yes, regardless of the current bassist situation, I'd still buy a new album.

I also own everything Dave and Mike have recorded, with the exception of the third Laidlaw album, which was the second album of their's Mike contributed to.

Of course I'd still buy a new Van Halen disc, I bought Van Halen III as well, even though I wasn't overly keen on Gary's appointment as frontman.

However, I have no interest in spending money on a live show unless it's either the 1st or 2nd lineup of the band. Preferrably the 1st. :)

Just because I'd buy the new album does not mean I'm cool with Wolfie's position in the band. It's a concession I'd make to hear new music from the rest of the guys...

So and primarily, what you're saying (as are many on here) is that your ONLY draw to live Van Halen shows is "Mikey?"

Seriously, I don't get a lot of you guys? :confused:

Please and I'm honestly NOT trying to be a prick here. :o

It's just that the same folks of whom attended BOTH the VH3 shows and the 2004 Van Hagar "reunion" continue to piss and moan about this awesome tour de force but an album would be sufficient? :wtf: I wouldn't be giving y'all shit here but most of the bullheaded whiners STILL went to that 2004 mess even though they apparantly played like total shit and only supported three (yes, count them THREE!!!) new and gawd-awful songs that are a total embarrassment to the Van Halen catalogue?

Yet, here we have the guys rockin' out, playin' tunes that have been ignored for years, sounding like a million bucks and y'all feel so self righteous as to just toss it aside? One would think you would make natural allies? ;)

Well, good on you cos YOU are the only ones missing out.

Anyhoo and I apologize for my little splutter-rant and to each their own...

However, I'll still never understand this MA worship whatsoever.

Seriously, hit just ONE show and after the first song you don't even notice he's gone. That's no bullshit.

I just don't believe Wolfie was responsible for the tour at all, Eddie was. Ed wanted to play with his kid and also make a point to Mike and Sam. That's all.

I think the whole Wolfie got Van Halen back together bullshit is just hearsay from the fans. If Wolfie was as big a fan of the original band as the rest of us, he'd have convinced his dad to continue with Mike.

My goodness, Wolfie's living the rock and roll dream AND has the talent!!!

You think he's going to say?

"Ummm... No Pop. You go play with MA and SH cos that Van Hagar legacy's more important than us playing together."

Seriously, drop your sig and get on with your life.

MA's no mas and this incarnation is fucking epic!!!

Again, I do apologize for being so blunt but it's time for some to move on.

Go see SH and MA cos don't they tour together? :confused:

Seriously, I think the world of the majority of this VH online community but it's no wonder I rarely post when and after so many years we all should be posting off our asses?

VH has done the impossible, they're selling out everywhere and even after both fucking up 1996 and 2000!!! Dave sounds stellar, Eddie's epic and Wolfie's a badass!!!

Then for you "Other Half" peeps, you've got that stuff goin' on!!! Enjoy!!! :thumb:

And I say...

Rock On!!! :cool:

My goodness, Wolfie's living the rock and roll dream AND has the talent!!!

You think he's going to say?

"Ummm... No Pop. You go play with MA and SH cos that Van Hagar legacy's more important than us playing together."

Seriously, drop your sig and get on with your life.

MA's no mas and this incarnation is fucking epic!!!

Again, I do apologize for being so blunt but it's time for some to move on.

Go see SH and MA cos don't they tour together? :confused:

Seriously, I think the world of the majority of this VH online community but it's no wonder I rarely post when and after so many years we all should be posting off our asses?

VH has done the impossible, they're selling out everywhere and even after both fucking up 1996 and 2000!!! Dave sounds stellar, Eddie's epic and Wolfie's a badass!!!

Then for you "Other Half" peeps, you've got that stuff goin' on!!! Enjoy!!! :thumb:

And I say...

Rock On!!! :cool:

they're not doing the impossible, they're doing what's expected...after almost 25 years any band that had that type of impact and managed to stay in the public eye so long after thier demise would be expected to do what they are doing right now, strictly for nostalgia purposes.

I'm not demeaning anything that this tour has done but it's more a spectacle of seeing Dave onstage with Ed again than anything else the band has ever represented, it's nothing new, it's nothing fresh...it is what it is. Is it a great show? Probably, I don't expect anything less than a great show from a sober Ed and a re-energized dave.

does this tour add to the van halen legacy...probably, but in the grand scheme of things I don't really know how much. If they record new music and it's "great"...then I'll tip my hat to them. Does it take away from anything the band did with Sam and Mike? not IMO. Was the Hagar era better? Like I've said many times, it's just a matter of opinion, the bottom line is that they sold a ton of records with sam, had a ton of popular songs with sam, had a ton of huge tours with sam and did pretty much everything any band would ever want to do circa 86-96 and I totally understand that they did this with Dave as well 78-84.

I could take Sam and Mike being out of the picture, I realized a long time ago that Sam and Ed could probably never right the kind of songs that I associate them with again. Just like Dave era fans feel the magic of VH1, I feel that same magic for alot of the hagar era stuff, keyboards or not, ballads or not, I love so much of what Ed and Sam..and Mike and alex did together...I just don't see them being able to do that again with all the bad feelings going back and forth.......ANYWAY, the problem that I have with this tour is it's everything that a "van halen" tour should not be, it's the exact same show night after night after night and I know it had been that way starting back in 95 but I at least expected them to do SOMETHING different by now...fuck..throw in DDL or something......

Sam and Mike have a whole different thing going on, it's alot like what VH had going on 86-93, shows are pretty loose, lots of fun and you never know exactly what they're gonna play....

anyway, I didn't boycott the tour or the current incarnation of Van halen because Mike wasn't there and I don't want to get to much into my feelings on the whole mike vs. ed debacle, I just wish them all luck and thank all of them...Ed, Al, Sam, Dave, Mike...hell, even Gary and Wolfie for being one of my alltime favorite bands. I'd just like to see Ed and Al do the right thing from here on out, acknowledge everyone that was part of the band, stop with all the petty shit, release all the unreleased stuff and ride off into the sunset...

that's my vh rant for the month...

that's my vh rant for the month...

It was a great read and I mean that wholeheartedly. :)

Seriously and zero sarcasm.

Hey, I totally respect your opinion. Rants are good and I'm happy that you chose to quote mine. :D

However, I'll never neglect the opinion or what I consider as fact that Van Halen doesn't count when David Lee Roth's excluded from the lineup. It's an entirely different band and vibe. Thus, this tour's proven that fact once and for all and I feel good about it.

Anyway and sincerely, the Happiest of Holidays!!!

It was a great read and I mean that wholeheartedly. :)

Seriously and zero sarcasm.

Hey, I totally respect your opinion. Rants are good and I'm happy that you chose to quote mine. :D

However, I'll never neglect the opinion or what I consider as fact that Van Halen doesn't count when David Lee Roth's excluded from the lineup. It's an entirely different band and vibe. Thus, this tour's proven that fact once and for all and I feel good about it.

Anyway and sincerely, the Happiest of Holidays!!!

not trying to argue but the 5150, OU812, FUCK, RHRN and Balance tours were all HUGE tours and I dont' think that takes away from what Dave did, I also don't think that this tour proves that a Sammy led Van halen is not a legitimate one. Regardless of musical taste...

the 04 tour was not as un successful as some would believe and this tour is not as succesful as some would believe, anyone can skew things to meet thier own criteria...that includes me...

anyway, this doesn't have much to do with boycotting the tour because of Mikey.....so I'll leave it at that.

Have a nice holiday Max...no hard feelings about anything in the past and hopefully in time we'll begin to appreciate what "the other lead singer of van halen" brought to the table, in your case Sammy, in my case Dave...even though I already give Dave alot of credit....

I just don't believe Wolfie was responsible for the tour at all, Eddie was. Ed wanted to play with his kid and also make a point to Mike and Sam. That's all.

I think the whole Wolfie got Van Halen back together bullshit is just hearsay from the fans. If Wolfie was as big a fan of the original band as the rest of us, he'd have convinced his dad to continue with Mike.

i just find it hard to believe that Wolfie isn't the main factor that brought Dave and Ed back together. They have tried in the past and failed too many timed to believe that Wolfie had no impact on it working now.

And didn't Dave basically say that Wolfie was the main factor behind this? Cetainly Ed and Al have. This is hardly hearsay bullshit. Unless you got a souce better than the horse's mouth.

well i stuck to my guns.

no mikey no tickey.

didn't see them in vancouver, won't ever see them without mike.

actually, now having seen the boots, probably won't even see them with mike ... it's just not the same band.

no regrets whatsoever either. while this isn't the proper way to close the chapter on this band, it certainly feels like the last hoorah watching the boots. it's kind of sad to watch even in bits and pieces - roth walks funny, ed has blown his brains out, the bass player is a 16 year old and al ... well he's al.

i'm glad to see people are enjoying them selves tho.

I'll be totally blunt. Wolfie SUX in Van Halen. Nothing will EVER change that for me. I don't care if he's the world's best ever bassist.

No harm, now foul to those who support him. That's cool, I respect your view. I just don't agree. A 16 year old does not belong in a group like Van Halen.

I believe the fans have been ripped off because it's NOT the original band. It's not just about Mike not being there, it's the fact that it's not the original four. I'd be just as pissed if the tour had gone ahead without Alex instead of Mike.

It's not about "Mikey Worship", it's about getting the real deal. Again if you think this tour is the real deal, great, enjoy the show. It's not for me though.

This band has let the fans down too often to settle for second best yet again. It's been a mess since 1996 and never recovered.

I'm not going, still don't regret it at all. Haven't really given going a thought in months. It's also been a very easy decision since I literally have no cash for a show even if I wanted to go. I've never been interested less in VH than I am now though. It's weird. Actually I think I just have lots of other more important things going on than to worry about what a rock band is or isn't doing.

I'm not going, still don't regret it at all. Haven't really given going a thought in months. It's also been a very easy decision since I literally have no cash for a show even if I wanted to go. I've never been interested less in VH than I am now though. It's weird. Actually I think I just have lots of other more important things going on than to worry about what a rock band is or isn't doing.

See, this is just it. Most of us, like myself could find the money to go if it was the real deal. But, it isn't, and it's not right. Mike isn't dead.

I guess if I was excited about it, I would have made the effort to save some money for it...yes. But now it's beyond out of the question financially.

Some things are better left to memory...........it's like a Hall of Fame athlete way past his prime returning for a few more days of glory along with the large payday.

Oh I think the tour has been pretty decent, but I don't know, the whole thing just doesn't feel right. And it's not just Mike is gone, I just get a weird vibe when I watch the bootlegs or listen to them. Something just isn't right anymore, and it might just be me. I'll tell you one thing though...The fact that I don't even care that VH is playing right now 45 minutes from me and it didn't even occur to me to try to go says something, considering I have seen every tour since 1984 multiple times.

I'll be totally blunt. Wolfie SUX in Van Halen. Nothing will EVER change that for me. I don't care if he's the world's best ever bassist.

No harm, now foul to those who support him. That's cool, I respect your view. I just don't agree. A 16 year old does not belong in a group like Van Halen.

I believe the fans have been ripped off because it's NOT the original band. It's not just about Mike not being there, it's the fact that it's not the original four. I'd be just as pissed if the tour had gone ahead without Alex instead of Mike.

It's not about "Mikey Worship", it's about getting the real deal. Again if you think this tour is the real deal, great, enjoy the show. It's not for me though.

This band has let the fans down too often to settle for second best yet again. It's been a mess since 1996 and never recovered.

Well the band is not even playing on your side of the world. They have only played in Canada and the US so far. So you would play thousands of dollars to fly here for Mike Anthony if he was stil with VH?


I was against Wolfie joining the band at first, it seemed so ridiculous. But he played really well when I saw VH live, and he sang very well too!:eek: I was impressed by him, and he is only going to get better, he is just 16 years old.

It would be better if Mike was still in the band, but I don't owe him anything. Eddie does though. He's the one who kicked him out of the band.

Thats awesome to be able to experience something like that with your son. I bought an extra ticket for my daughter. She used to like a lot more rock bands, but at 14, she has gravitated toward whats popular with her peers.(pop and hip hop) Despite that, I think she will have a great time once she gets to the show, the energy, the music, and personality should be great.:)

When my son and i were standing outside the concert venue before the show,i saw a fella about my age with his wife and FOUR daughter's.We looked at each other and just grinned. No words were spoken. I think we were both thinking..."dude, i'm going to a Van Halen concert with my kid(s).:headbang:

When we got home i told my two daughter's what i had seen and asked them if they had wanted to go to the concert. They both looked at me, rolled their eye's, wrinkled their nose's and i believe said "yuk" simultaneously.:)

Brother, in time she will cherish that experience with you. You will cherish it immediately.:thumb:

Oh I think the tour has been pretty decent, but I don't know, the whole thing just doesn't feel right. And it's not just Mike is gone, I just get a weird vibe when I watch the bootlegs or listen to them. Something just isn't right anymore, and it might just be me. I'll tell you one thing though...The fact that I don't even care that VH is playing right now 45 minutes from me and it didn't even occur to me to try to go says something, considering I have seen every tour since 1984 multiple times.


Please don't think I'm making this a Sammy Dave thing.

IMO though you and others here totally 100% loved Van Hagar(maybe as much as classic VH) and VH "felt right" for you with Sam. For some of us.. VH never felt right without Dave..though we supported and followed VH things have been off since 1985. That's not disrespect to Sam, that era or to the people who love it. It's just the way some people feel, so even with Mike out..after all the bs over the years with the vmas, gary, the hof, etc things are now looking up with Dave back in again.

It's unfortunate that people come to harshly argue and disrespect each other over VH . I can respect that you and others here aren't into vh4. I was lukewarm with Sam and Gary.

Hopefully new material can come out that you all can get into. You all have been burning the VH fires here for years with VH inactive and derailed. You all loved Sam era and now after all the fan abuse Dave is no consolation for yet another imperfect situation. Too little to late or the last straw. It's a shame though. A shame VH(Ed) has made decisions that has turned away fans. It's also a shame 3/4 of the original band are playing their assess off and you all (diehard fans who kept the fires burning)can't enjoy it...instead you feel burned. That sucks.

I still say...go see the show and sort it out later. I doubt you'd be sorry. I bet you would enjoy it much more than you think you could.

I wouldn't have gone if Sam was in the band right now. Wouldn't have changed anything at all. BTW, I didn't like VH with Sam equally to VH with Dave.

I think it's funny you think things are looking up with Dave. Why? I think this is the end, not the continuation of anything. Dave will do his tour with the band, and the closure will be there, and Ed, Al, and Wolf will go do their own thing. To me this thing is a definite goodbye. We'll see if I'm wrong.

It's amazing how all of us can see this thing so completely differently. I'd be sorry if I went because I'd be out $200 on something I don't really want to see that badly. :)

I wouldn't have gone if Sam was in the band right now. Wouldn't have changed anything at all. BTW, I didn't like VH with Sam equally to VH with Dave.

I think it's funny you think things are looking up with Dave. Why? I think this is the end, not the continuation of anything. Dave will do his tour with the band, and the closure will be there, and Ed, Al, and Wolf will go do their own thing. To me this thing is a definite goodbye. We'll see if I'm wrong.

It's amazing how all of us can see this thing so completely differently. I'd be sorry if I went because I'd be out $200 on something I don't really want to see that badly. :)

I didn't mean to suggest you're not going cause Sam is out.

I do think it's looking up for VH with Dave. They are performing on a high level, Ed looks healthier and happier, Dave is singing GREAT, and the tour is selling out. They are in nice form for older rockers + a kid and getting huge reactions. Surely that makes some impression on Ed's post alcohol soaked brain. There is a history there with Dave and a classic staple in pop culture.

You really think they want to burn that bridge after this? I don't think Ed Al and Wolf doing their own thing would do any better than VH3. I'm hoping VH is slowly coming to their senses and will try to honor their legacy with creating new music and keeping some type of consistent band together even if the releases and tours are few. Of course I could be wrong and I have no idea why I got into this convo. I understand your disinterest. I felt that way in 04.

I don't think it's a burning of the bridge, it will just be the end..."Hey we did it, I'll keep in touch, take care" kind of thing.

I felt it was the end in 2004 too, even with the new music. That was part of the reason I went and that version of the band was one I enjoyed, no matter if it was the end or not. It was a Van Halen that we all knew.

I was against Wolfie joining the band at first, it seemed so ridiculous. But he played really well when I saw VH live, and he sang very well too!:eek: I was impressed by him, and he is only going to get better, he is just 16 years old.
It still doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't be in Van Halen to me. Three members over 50, one who's 16. They don't even look like a real band to me anymore. It doesn't matter how well Wolfie plays.

Obviously Wolfie will get better with age, however it's extremely unlikely he'll ever reach the same heights as Ed and Al did with Van Halen. Another thing, the bass isn't even Wolfie's primary instrument, the drums are.

It still doesn't change the fact that he shouldn't be in Van Halen to me. Three members over 50, one who's 16. They don't even look like a real band to me anymore. It doesn't matter how well Wolfie plays.

Obviously Wolfie will get better with age, however it's extremely unlikely he'll ever reach the same heights as Ed and Al did with Van Halen. Another thing, the bass isn't even Wolfie's primary instrument, the drums are.

It looks odd. He does look out of place. It's a bummer that things in VH have gone down like this.//but imo this is better than 04, vh3 and hagar and thats not hate, i just prefer Dave in the band. His absence for me changes the landscape much more than the loss of Mike so it's like something that has been lost is now found again(2 me).

But it sucks they get along as they do. Take LedZep. A member dies, the band is done. They could have made a fortune in the 80's but they let it go(they likely still made a fortune in the 80's hehe). There may have been other factors but the band died with one original members death. Only after many years of blue moon/special circumstance "reunions" did they finally have a full blown official Led Zeppelin reunion and since John B was dead ..they use his son who has deep respect for the music and his father. They have cashed in many times with Cd's but they seem to have a special respect for the band and it's legacy. It would be cool if VH was more like that. U know though....even with LZ they had a rift there with JPJ, remember the HOF? I'm not sure many superstar bands are totally free from some of this stuff.

It seems Ed has had a falling out with Mike. You don't just "lay off from afar" someone you became a superstar with cause playing with your son seems like a good idea. It is what it is though and wolf is playing well and he seems to be a healing positive force for Ed both in his life and musical inspiration/motivation so...he is a VH and it's better than nothing. Just sucks it ended with MA with odd..some might say disrespectful circumstances.

These guys are just people though..could be theres a prob and Ed just said fuck him.. and deep down they care for each other, respect what they did together but things are just not right now. Ever have a falling out with a friend? In time doesn't that shit usually heal up in some way or another? Hopefully it will with Ma and EVh.

It looks odd. He does look out of place. It's a bummer that things in VH have gone down like this.//but imo this is better than 04, vh3 and hagar and thats not hate, i just prefer Dave in the band. His absence for me changes the landscape much more than the loss of Mike so it's like something that has been lost is now found again(2 me).

But it sucks they get along as they do. Take LedZep. A member dies, the band is done. They could have made a fortune in the 80's but they let it go(they likely still made a fortune in the 80's hehe). There may have been other factors but the band died with one original members death. Only after many years of blue moon/special circumstance "reunions" did they finally have a full blown official Led Zeppelin reunion and since John B was dead ..they use his son who has deep respect for the music and his father. They have cashed in many times with Cd's but they seem to have a special respect for the band and it's legacy. It would be cool if VH was more like that. U know though....even with LZ they had a rift there with JPJ, remember the HOF? I'm not sure many superstar bands are totally free from some of this stuff.

It seems Ed has had a falling out with Mike. You don't just "lay off from afar" someone you became a superstar with cause playing with your son seems like a good idea. It is what it is though and wolf is playing well and he seems to be a healing positive force for Ed both in his life and musical inspiration/motivation so...he is a VH and it's better than nothing. Just sucks it ended with MA with odd..some might say disrespectful circumstances.

These guys are just people though..could be theres a prob and Ed just said fuck him.. and deep down they care for each other, respect what they did together but things are just not right now. Ever have a falling out with a friend? In time doesn't that shit usually heal up in some way or another? Hopefully it will with Ma and EVh.
Good post there Punk, it's good to have different view points.

I never had a problem with the Hagar years because Dave left, he wasn't booted. Though the band was never the same without Dave, I felt they did some good stuff with Hagar. I agree that the band wasn't as good, but the four studio discs with Hagar are all decent. Likewise, Roth's solo albums are all worthwhile, but again, they never reached the same level of CVH. I certainly never felt I needed to pick a side with the original split as I liked what both camps were doing.

As for the VHIII release, I don't care for it much at all. Gary's vocals don't gel, Mikey's presence is severely missed. The only good thing about that disc were a few of Ed's solos.

With all the crap the fans have endured over the years and with at least two false starts at trying to resurrect the original band prior to the 2007 faux reunion, it's just too little too late. Mike should be there, it's as simple as that to me.

It just doesn't look right with the kid and him being in the band just annoys me. Sure it's only a band and Van Halen is only one band of many which I've supported over the years, but I simply can't find anything positive about Wolfie's inclusion.

I hope that in years to come they'll eventually right this wrong and the four original members will record and play together on stage again.

Great post! Couldn't have said it better!

Good post there Punk, it's good to have different view points.

I never had a problem with the Hagar years because Dave left, he wasn't booted. Though the band was never the same without Dave, I felt they did some good stuff with Hagar. I agree that the band wasn't as good, but the four studio discs with Hagar are all decent. Likewise, Roth's solo albums are all worthwhile, but again, they never reached the same level of CVH. I certainly never felt I needed to pick a side with the original split as I liked what both camps were doing.

As for the VHIII release, I don't care for it much at all. Gary's vocals don't gel, Mikey's presence is severely missed. The only good thing about that disc were a few of Ed's solos.

With all the crap the fans have endured over the years and with at least two false starts at trying to resurrect the original band prior to the 2007 faux reunion, it's just too little too late. Mike should be there, it's as simple as that to me.

It just doesn't look right with the kid and him being in the band just annoys me. Sure it's only a band and Van Halen is only one band of many which I've supported over the years, but I simply can't find anything positive about Wolfie's inclusion.

I hope that in years to come they'll eventually right this wrong and the four original members will record and play together on stage again.

All of your crying about VH not having MA on this tour is useless...dont go...and if you havent gone, then good! The shows are killer and they sound great...if you closed your eyes you wouldnt even notice that MA was missing...they sound fantastic. You just stay home and whine on message boards all day...thats one more ticket that can go to someone who "gets it"...in other words...I would rather see them with a sober/happy Eddie playing with his son, then nothing at all....this wont change your opinion one bit and I get that, but you are ridiculous...have fun staying home...by the way...I am sure you have checked out either an AUD recording and/or some You Tube vids...you cant stay away and you know it...now you can get back to crying for MA. See you at MSG Round II 3/17/08!! Floor Seats!!! Sweeeet!:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

All of your crying about VH not having MA on this tour is useless...dont go...and if you havent gone, then good! The shows are killer and they sound great...if you closed your eyes you wouldnt even notice that MA was missing...they sound fantastic. You just stay home and whine on message boards all day...thats one more ticket that can go to someone who "gets it"...in other words...I would rather see them with a sober/happy Eddie playing with his son, then nothing at all....this wont change your opinion one bit and I get that, but you are ridiculous...have fun staying home...by the way...I am sure you have checked out either an AUD recording and/or some You Tube vids...you cant stay away and you know it...now you can get back to crying for MA. See you at MSG Round II 3/17/08!! Floor Seats!!! Sweeeet!:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

I very much get what you are saying however, you make a comment "if you closed your eyes you wouldn't even notice that MA was missing" but isn't that the point of going to see a band live? For some, it is just not the same and people can be respected for taking a stand in their convictions. And checking out a youtube recording is very different than laying down cold, hard cash to support something you are against. Just as you may not agree with a political candidate's views, you usually watch or listen when they show up on TV rather than changing the channel. You just won't send a contribution to their campaign.

I went and enjoyed the show immensely but the fact of the matter is Wolfie does not have much stage presence. That has been said by almost every single person who has reviewed the shows. Absolutely Edward is happy and Wolfie being there is probably the biggest reason we are seeing them on stage. That does not mean Wolfie has truly replaced Mike in all aspects. Yes, he can play and yes, he can sing. He can not bring what someone with 30+ yrs of experience with a band can bring no matter how hard he tries. And perhaps that is what you don't get. Someone is not ridiculous for having different wants and tastes than you, it is only their desire to get exactly what they want or nothing at all.

All of your crying about VH not having MA on this tour is useless...dont go...and if you havent gone, then good! The shows are killer and they sound great...if you closed your eyes you wouldnt even notice that MA was missing...they sound fantastic. You just stay home and whine on message boards all day...thats one more ticket that can go to someone who "gets it"...in other words...I would rather see them with a sober/happy Eddie playing with his son, then nothing at all....this wont change your opinion one bit and I get that, but you are ridiculous...have fun staying home...by the way...I am sure you have checked out either an AUD recording and/or some You Tube vids...you cant stay away and you know it...now you can get back to crying for MA. See you at MSG Round II 3/17/08!! Floor Seats!!! Sweeeet!:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

Wow so much anger over a silly band. You need to get laid sir.

All of your crying about VH not having MA on this tour is useless...dont go...and if you havent gone, then good! The shows are killer and they sound great...if you closed your eyes you wouldnt even notice that MA was missing...they sound fantastic. You just stay home and whine on message boards all day...thats one more ticket that can go to someone who "gets it"...in other words...I would rather see them with a sober/happy Eddie playing with his son, then nothing at all....this wont change your opinion one bit and I get that, but you are ridiculous...have fun staying home...by the way...I am sure you have checked out either an AUD recording and/or some You Tube vids...you cant stay away and you know it...now you can get back to crying for MA. See you at MSG Round II 3/17/08!! Floor Seats!!! Sweeeet!:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:

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Yet another of what we have quite enough of around here.

Yeah he's got a rich posting history here, including some silly attempt at humor by talking about Cheddymon dying. Fucking tool.

Brett why don`t you close this thread. How do get rid of a 30 yrs loyal member,I will not got to the shows even if forced at gunpoint,Wolf looks silly,Eds an a-hole,Just go to the show and enjoy it,Mikes not missed ect...... I mean what else can be said.

Why should it be closed? It's simply a place to speak one's mind about the absurdity of canning Mike.

There is no reason to close this thread. If you don't like the content of this thread or forum, then don't read it. Pretty simple to me.

All of your crying about VH not having MA on this tour is useless...dont go...and if you havent gone, then good! The shows are killer and they sound great...if you closed your eyes you wouldnt even notice that MA was missing...they sound fantastic. You just stay home and whine on message boards all day...thats one more ticket that can go to someone who "gets it"...in other words...I would rather see them with a sober/happy Eddie playing with his son, then nothing at all....this wont change your opinion one bit and I get that, but you are ridiculous...have fun staying home...by the way...I am sure you have checked out either an AUD recording and/or some You Tube vids...you cant stay away and you know it...now you can get back to crying for MA. See you at MSG Round II 3/17/08!! Floor Seats!!! Sweeeet!:headbang: :headbang: :headbang:
I'm not "crying" about anything, just stating my disapproval of the current situation. The only people "crying" are posters like yourself who can't accept those who dislike the current faux reunion situation.

Dude, if you enjoyed the show, great stuff. However there are those like myself who don't see this tour as the second coming of the once mighty Classic Van Halen. It falls far short.

As for closing your eyes and not missing Mike, are you fuckin' kidding me? The background vocals and bass lines may sound reasonable on this tour, but they're certainly not as good as anything Mike could have provided. I'd probably miss Mike more with my eyes shut, because then it's all about the sound and Mike has always been a big part of the CVH sound.