The David Lee Roth concert slated for the Dave Smith Motors Amphitheater at Silver Mountain on Aug. 20 has been canceled due to low ticket sales. The remaining concerts, Styx, on Sunday, and Phil Vassar, on Aug. 27, are selling tickets quickly. Styx is nearly sold out.

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Cosidering that other thread that said Dave played before about 200 people a few weeks ago, just how few tickets have to be sold for it to be canceled altogether? 50, 100? Yikes. :eek:

Exactly. There's a parable, somewhere, in the fact that Dave has cancelled several dates in the last year, two of them gigs I was supposed to attend. :)

Exactly. There's a parable, somewhere, in the fact that Dave has cancelled several dates in the last year, two of them gigs I was supposed to attend. :)
:funny:

Cosidering that other thread that said Dave played before about 200 people a few weeks ago, just how few tickets have to be sold for it to be canceled altogether? 50, 100? Yikes. :eek:

That is probably the call of the venue owner, or listed in the contract.

That sucks that they cancelled due to low ticket sales....it really doesn't make much sense either. Everyone was making shit out of him playing a Rib-Fest but there were 1,000's of people there.
Styx is almost sold out? What da fuck?

That sucks that they cancelled due to low ticket sales....it really doesn't make much sense either. Everyone was making shit out of him playing a Rib-Fest but there were 1,000's of people there.
Styx is almost sold out? What da fuck?

I'm sure Hagar's to blame....somehow. Maybe the talk of him doing free shows scared these people away.

I'm sure Hagar's to blame....somehow. Maybe the talk of him doing free shows scared these people away.

Here we go...why even bring that up? But since you did...I bet DLR is back in VH before Sammy plays a tour of free shows.

Here we go...why even bring that up? But since you did...I bet DLR is back in VH before Sammy plays a tour of free shows.

Hehe, awesome. The next amazing race...

Here we go...why even bring that up? But since you did...I bet DLR is back in VH before Sammy plays a tour of free shows.

i agree

:sssh:

Sammy should join The Wiggles. :devil:

Sammy should join The Wiggles. :devil:

chuckle chuckle chuckle......pfffffffttttttt......hahahahahaha ROFLMAO.

Fruit salad yummy yummy

chuckle chuckle chuckle......pfffffffttttttt......hahahahahaha ROFLMAO.

Fruit salad yummy yummy

I CANNOT believe someone else knows that song.

Somehow I don't feel better, though.

I have kids :-) Even the most uptight fellas here have to admit it is a good little program for the chitlins.

Iiiiiiiiiiiii'mmmmmmm Sailinnnnnnng awayyyyyyyyyyyyy......

:D

That sucks that they cancelled due to low ticket sales....it really doesn't make much sense either. Everyone was making shit out of him playing a Rib-Fest but there were 1,000's of people there.
Styx is almost sold out? What da fuck?

Maybe 1000's of people were there for food? :drunk:

Jesus what's Dave's problem. Why aren't people showing up for these shows?

Maybe because he's playing the same 25-years-old songs for the last 6 years now, with a tribute band which lacks originallity (spelling?)?

I have kids :-) Even the most uptight fellas here have to admit it is a good little program for the chitlins.

Very true. Though that dinosaur kinda frightens me. And someone ought to take Jeff to a sleeping disorders clinic.

(Mine lil' guys are 4 and 6, by the way. How about yours?)

Oldest son, Isaac, is 9, long outgrew wiggles/Barney, second son, Jacob, is 6, outgrew them as well, but my 1 year old daughter, Sarah, wiggles to the Wiggles like crazy.

Sarah turned 1 year old on July 21st and we were at the hard rock cafe in St. Louis that evening and they were real nice. They had my wife stand in the middle of the crowd there and they ALL wished Sarah a happy birthday. She had a blast. Sarah also danced on the table on her first bday at the hard rock. Got pictures. too cute. Now she better never do THAT again :-)

Styx without Dennis DeYoung is outselling DLR??? That is BAD!!!!

Maybe it's time for Mr. Roth and Mr. Van Halen to get together (again) and see if they can get past the "lawyers".

Maybe Dave's less than stellar attandance numbers and the fact a VH reunion seems highly unlikely is what led to try the radio gig.

Dear Dave;

Please drop the Van Halen show and become an artist again. Play to your strengths, the great, low, blues voice, and do more of a high energy blues show.

Please look up the following songs; Mississippi Power, Black Sand, Tell The Truth, Fools, The Dogtown Shuffle, Nightlife, Ladies Night in Buffalo, Going Places, Coconut Grove, House of Pain, Drop Dead Legs, and Push Comes to Shove.

If the desire to play more than 5 Van Halen songs in one gig hits you, smash yourself in the face with your mike stand!

Once you were an artist, for too long now you've been just spinning your wheels. Remember when you said "let's go, let's go, let's fucking go!"?? Well, LET'S FUCKING GO DUDE!!

And yes, I realize this is the same letter I've sent you every year since 2000, so I recognize that I have issues with change too.

Love Glenn (someone who bought and likes the Diamond Dave cd)

Dave should get a donkey wearing a sombrero.......

Let's all bash Sam in spite of the fact the name David Lee Roth was not able to sell tickets.

PS Sam's Detroit gig is still on for this weekend.

Whatever happened to the "there are no rules in Rock and Roll"? Lawyers, ego's and trash-talk should NOT be allowed to sway true rockers from jamming THEIR heart and soul out to tens-of-thousands of wanting and giving fans. Make the calls, join the band again and jam for old times sake. Fuck the "rules" .

Whatever happened to the "there are no rules in Rock and Roll"? Lawyers, ego's and trash-talk should NOT be allowed to sway true rockers from jamming THEIR heart and soul out to tens-of-thousands of wanting and giving fans. Make the calls, join the band again and jam for old times sake. Fuck the "rules" .

If it involves money, then so lawyers.

Let's all bash Sam in spite of the fact the name David Lee Roth was not able to sell tickets.

PS Sam's Detroit gig is still on for this weekend.

The fact that fatty's gig is still happening this weekend doesn't change the fact that the world would still much rather see Dave back in place in VH...(not that that will ever happen).

The fact that fatty's gig is still happening this weekend doesn't change the fact that the world would still much rather see Dave back in place in VH...(not that that will ever happen).

No way, 'cause what is actually happening isn't true at all.

I agree with Glenn in that if Dave had somehow maintained some artistic
integrity - a la Plant or Bowie - and reinvented himself and reinterpreted
his past, maybe I would give to shits about his work. But desparately aping
a 20 yr old act with a cover band holds no intrinsic value for me and many
others still think he'd be a perfect fit for his old combo. Alas...

Artist / Title / USA Sales To Date
Styx - Big Bang Theory - 42,855 (Still a recent release and selling) Cyclorama - 56,017 Brave New World - 73,428
Dokken - Hell To Pay - 15,739 Long Way Home - 21,141 Shadowlife - 51,140
Bon Jovi - Crush - 1,994,800 Bounce - 712,971 100 Million Fans Can't Be Wrong - 104,975 This Left Feels Right - 424,489 One Wild Night - Live 1985-2001 - 521,969
Van Halen - III - 513,921 For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge - 2,950,337 The Best Of Both Worlds - 568,170
Sammy Hagar - The Essential Red Collection - 91,423
David Lee Roth - Diamond Dave - 15,676
Iommi w/ Glenn Hughes - The DEP Sessions - 6,420
Iommi - Fused - 4,976 (Only just released)
W.A.S.P. - Neon God Part I - 17,014 Neon God Part 2 - 8438
MSG - Arachnophobiac - 6,213 Heavy Hitters - 567 (Just released)
Kevin Dubrow - In For The Kill - 981
Pretty Boy Floyd - Size Really Does Matter - 795
Twisted Sister - Still Hungry - 13,334
Bang Tango - Ready To Go - 1,615
Kansas - Somewhere to Elsewhere - 38,344
Bryan Adams - Room Service - 27,402
John Waite - The Hard Way - 5,721
L.A. Guns - Rips The Covers Off - 3,594
Dio - Master of the Moon - 25,777
Motley Crue - Red White & Crue - 399,741
Megadeth - The System Has Failed - 161,229
38 Special - Drivetrain - 13,341
Asia - Silent Nation - 5,558
Heart - Jupiter's Darling - 73,394
Brides Of Destruction - Here Come The Brides - 41,018
Gene Simmons - Asshole - 33,445
Fleetwood Mac - Say You Will - 847,338
Velvet Revolver - Contraband - 1,783,565
Scorpions - Unbreakable - 36,139
Bruce Dickinson - Tyranny Of Souls - 16,385
Billy Idol - Devil's Playground - 81,225
Various Artists - VH1 Metal Mania Stripped - 57,576
Hall And Oates - Our Kind Of Soul - 105,516
Tsar - Tsar 5,109 Band Girls Money - 1,099 (Just released)
Frickin A - Big Egos...No Ideas - 8,703 (Jessie's Girl single - 17,622!)
Anberlin - Never Take Friendship Personal - 44,101


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Aside from a few select groups like VR, old rockers are dead! DLR sold 15K copies of his last album. Billy Idol has a great new album out and it has sold 80k copies. Basically, unless you are a U2, your relevance in the music world is very short lived. Your only hope in music is that you bang out a bunch of awesome albums and then make a living out of touring them for 30 years. Look at the Stones. What was their last great album and when was it released. No one buys any of their shit anymore unless it's a greatest hits repackage. Dave sure has done a number on himself. He should have a musical cache due to his 6 albums with VH alone. How he has managed to become a joke is a complex situation. No one should sink so low from such heights. However, as we know, it is not hard to fuck things up. Yeah, the old "Nirvana killed old rock" is partially true, but how do you explain acts like U2 being able to survive the 80s, 90s and today's music scene? Their brilliant, that's why. Dave beat the shit out of his rap and image. His solo music, IMO, has a great deal of merit. Most of it is at least above average. Honestly, though, what could he possibly do now to change his outlook at 50? If he were to do as Glenn stated and play lots of awesome solo Dave on his tours, he'd probably get booed off stage. As far as putting out an awesome rocking album, hi did do that. The DLR band album had crap production, but lots of attitude and great songs. Hardly anyone bought it. Then he figured that covers was the way to go in 03. Well, look above for the startling results. Really, I think it's over for Dave as a solo act. Not that I don't believe in his ability to put out more great music, but because albums have to sell in order for a musician to carry on. Dave just can't do that any longer. It's either the radio gig or a long fetched CVH tour. The man can't even pull in 2,000 people into clubs anymore. He's reduced to rib fests. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to play rib fests. However, we are talking about a former VH singer and arguably one of the greatest frontmen in the history of R&R. Give me your thoughts.

Aside from a few select groups like VR, old rockers are dead! DLR sold 15K copies of his last album. Billy Idol has a great new album out and it has sold 80k copies. Basically, unless you are a U2, your relevance in the music world is very short lived. Your only hope in music is that you bang out a bunch of awesome albums and then make a living out of touring them for 30 years. Look at the Stones. What was their last great album and when was it released. No one buys any of their shit anymore unless it's a greatest hits repackage. Dave sure has done a number on himself. He should have a musical cache due to his 6 albums with VH alone. How he has managed to become a joke is a complex situation. No one should sink so low from such heights. However, as we know, it is not hard to fuck things up. Yeah, the old "Nirvana killed old rock" is partially true, but how do you explain acts like U2 being able to survive the 80s, 90s and today's music scene? Their brilliant, that's why. Dave beat the shit out of his rap and image. His solo music, IMO, has a great deal of merit. Most of it is at least above average. Honestly, though, what could he possibly do now to change his outlook at 50? If he were to do as Glenn stated and play lots of awesome solo Dave on his tours, he'd probably get booed off stage. As far as putting out an awesome rocking album, hi did do that. The DLR band album had crap production, but lots of attitude and great songs. Hardly anyone bought it. Then he figured that covers was the way to go in 03. Well, look above for the startling results. Really, I think it's over for Dave as a solo act. Not that I don't believe in his ability to put out more great music, but because albums have to sell in order for a musician to carry on. Dave just can't do that any longer. It's either the radio gig or a long fetched CVH tour. The man can't even pull in 2,000 people into clubs anymore. He's reduced to rib fests. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to play rib fests. However, we are talking about a former VH singer and arguably one of the greatest frontmen in the history of R&R. Give me your thoughts.

That about sums it up.

Give me your thoughts.

You make some interesting points.

I've lost a lot of respect for Dave because he's quit on music. He's not an artist anymore. I know when he hits a stage, he gives his all, but creatively and artistically he's standing still. That's disappointing, because there's no David Lee Roth Junior to fill in in his absense. He's the one and only. But he's barely that anymore.

Selling fifteen thousand records would be great if it was sold by an artist who was committed to releasing music. Look at it this way, if Dave magically had an album go platinum, I would suggest he'd follow it up fairly quickly. When he sells nothing, it furthers his desire to stand still, release nothing and tread water. Which gives me nothing as a fan. What, I'm going to download bootleg number 107 of the Van Halen show as done by David Lee 2005 Roth? I just don't care anymore, it's all the same thing.

Be unique. Release a BBQ DVD that sells 17 copies, and work on another musical project. Release an album that sells 15 thousand copies and work on another musical project. You're a fucking musician!

It's the same as VH. Van Halen 3 sells shitty and they disappear. Don't give me the cancer excuse, because if VH 3 had sold 2 million copies we'd have had a follow up record or two by now regardless of personal problems.

Thank god the first Van Halen album sold well, otherwise these guys might have crawled off into the real world and denied us all that great music.

Look I like all VH, BUT Sammy is in tha same boat in my opinion!

You make some interesting points.

Be unique. Release a BBQ DVD that sells 17 copies, and work on another musical project. Release an album that sells 15 thousand copies and work on another musical project. You're a fucking musician!

It's the same as VH. Van Halen 3 sells shitty and they disappear. Don't give me the cancer excuse, because if VH 3 had sold 2 million copies we'd have had a follow up record or two by now regardless of personal problems.




Glenn,


I'd love to see a new Roth project/album. The man is extremely talented. I have a copy of just about everything he's put out. I think he could plow on via the internet. He could exercise his creativity with some awesome internet only material. It would be a lot cheaper to put out. As a matter of fact, he's probably got gems in the vault right now. Like I said, if you can't sell, no one is going to press your shit and send it out to sit on shelves. In most music stores, Roth doesn't even have a tab any more! How sad is that. You have to go online to buy a gem like EAS. BTW, the Real network has finally done what I've been asking for years. They now have ALAE available for download. No album should ever go OOP. There is no excuse for it. This demonstrates the possibilities available to musicians if they are creative and learn to survive today's music scene. Dave was just to stubborn to change his ways. I'm sure even the shitiest management group would have given him some sound advice. He probably just refused to follow them. I appreciate your input.

The reason Dave has done so poorly with his solo carrer can only be blamed on one thing and one thing only, his music sucks. Yes, Eat 'Em And Smile kicked ass and if all of the rest would have been that good maybe things would be different now, but he went in a totally different direction after that. Cant blame him for trying something different though but it wasnt good idea.

Why doesn't Van Halen release some live shows, rare tracks, and demos from the Dave era? Why doesn't Diamond Dave play a different setlist every show?? Or at least mix it up enough so if ya travel 'cross the nation to see two shows--they don't have the same damn setlist. Why aren't Dave's live shows available for immediate purchase on the net right after the show? How come every live show that DLR has played since '99 IZ NOT available for purchase, including the acoustic radio gigs in 2002--SOUNDBOARD??? Why hasn't there been another No Holds Bar B Que with EVEN more cover tunes??

Why do Pearl Jam, The Black Crowes, Led Zeppelin, and Jim Hendrix fans get the ROYAL treatment?? Those fans got the goldmine and Van Halen fans get the shaft...an' I ain't talkin' 'bout no Isaac Hayes funk toon...damn, if you're a Hendrix fan or a SRV fan or a Pearl Jam fan, you practically get ran over with all the material they release or make available. Meanwhile, back at the howdy doody ranch...we get shoddy BOBW with RHRN tracks with Sammy singin' Dave tunes--LORD, they couldn't find any other live tunes??????? And they bounce from great Roth cuts to Sammy love ballads--C'MON!!!!!

**I burned BOBW for the record.**

Here are a couple of thoughts...

1. Dave and Sammy are more or less in the same boat, not to mention any other great 70's or 80's act that isn't U2, Aerosmith, Stones, and so on. The music industry has changed, and the acts are just not bringing people in any more. The reason why VH's tour last year was marginally successful was the fact that VH hasn't toured since what 1994 with Sammy and as a group since what 1998? People were curious, wanted that notastlgic feeling rather then waste their money on maybe a solo sammy or a solo dave show.

2. Dave has been touring constently in one for or another since 1999, people may be just sick of Dave. With the reality being that Dave and VH are done (most likely but who knows), people are tired of this. Dave needs to either go the small club route, put together a band and make his own new music, or just stop.

3. Rock is dead... Radio is dead... People are tired of the same boring format, the same sounding music, and the same tired attitude. There are great new bands out there, but they are not getting signed. This is due to the whole state of the music industry. It's dead Jim...

4. This isn't 1978, 1981, 1984, 1986, 1992, or even 1995... It's 2005 and the band is old, they are tired, and they are not hungry. What more does VH have to prove in this day in age? Yes I know, you could say come back and kick ass, but realistically they are all so jaded, burned out, emotionally drained, and just hurt as individuals it seems, that the spark is gone. Seeing EVH play last year, while great, was no EVH of the old... Sammy was cool, but it is just another corporate tour feeling show, that felt more like a dysfunctional family reunion then anything else...

Wow now I am depressed after writing that...