Sheehan on Mike - Page 4

Ain't Talkin' Bout' Love · 05.17.09, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ian Sane

Ditto for his kid...

You might be on to something there. Wolfgang became a bass player because Ed is the guitarist, his brother is the drummer, and Dave sells the tickets as the singer. Wolfgang was titled a bassist, he's probably a better guitarist or maybe even a better drummer.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter. Mike is the one in the band with a hit single (in Canada at least) and a new album coming out. Plus he's free of all the BS. At the end of the day he wins.

Evil_Scientist_Moose · 05.20.09, 01:12 PM

Something to keep in mind here?

Michael Anthony wasn't the first bassist for VH. That might have a wee bit to do with the 'angst' involved against Mikey.

LLFHS · 05.20.09, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Evil_Scientist_Moose

Something to keep in mind here?

Michael Anthony wasn't the first bassist for VH. That might have a wee bit to do with the 'angst' involved against Mikey.

Did Mike kill the first bassist?

Evil_Scientist_Moose · 05.21.09, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LowLifeFlatHeadScum

Did Mike kill the first bassist?

No, the first bassist was Mark 'Stoner' Stone, and had to leave due to an illness in the family. Of course, this is from the 'garage band' days....

At0micPunk · 05.21.09, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Evil_Scientist_Moose

Something to keep in mind here?

Michael Anthony wasn't the first bassist for VH. That might have a wee bit to do with the 'angst' involved against Mikey.

As much as I respect and hold Mike in a high place as part of what made CVH Mighty....I can kinda understand why ED had some frustration with the guy.

Consider a player like Page who had a JPJ to work with for one example. Their are many bands you could think of...what I'm getting at is as great a bass player and amazing BG singer Mike is...it appears he didn't bring much of his own music into the band. Maybe he's not a writer..It would be interesting to know what little riffs or bass parts Mike played that maybe helped inspire a composition if any?

With a band like Zeppelin JPJ would bring song ideas in. They might not all have been used but they were brought in. Not only did Mike not do this reportedly but even his Bass solo's were somewhat dependent on Ed's talent.
Copying his hammer pull offs, copying Sunday Afternoon In the Park, copying his volume swell of cathedral. All integrated into his bass solo.

Say what you want and hate Ed for the last 10 years etc but he's a creative guy and the main musical force behind the band. It's gotta be hard to be the main person for 30 years having to come up with the music with little outside help and collaboration(it is supposed to be a band). So maybe that was a part of Ed's early issues with MA? With his talent maybe he wanted someone else closer to his level he could write tunes with? Maybe thats why he liked Sheenan so much?

It's not fair to say MA is a mediocre at best player though. He's a great player, amazing bg singer and even since the early days is a high powered showman. He added a lot to VH's sound and performance...just maybe not much to the song writing and musical collaboration.

I'm just thinking"out loud" and guessing why Ed would have wanted to replace him so bad and so early on. As far as a bass player, showman and singer MA seemed like the perfect band mate. I wonder if anyone knows the real deal besides just saying something derogatory about Ed.

ChrisTheEdHead · 05.21.09, 09:18 AM

I would bet bands like Zep and Iron Maiden (where Steve Harris comes up with some amazing lyrics and tunes) are more the exception than the norm, as far as songwriting contributions. And didnt Page & Plant basically slag all of JPJ's stuff up to "In Through The Out Door"?
IMHO, this was purely about money, nothing else.

At0micPunk · 05.21.09, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisTheEdHead

I would bet bands like Zep and Iron Maiden (where Steve Harris comes up with some amazing lyrics and tunes) are more the exception than the norm, as far as songwriting contributions. And didnt Page & Plant basically slag all of JPJ's stuff up to "In Through The Out Door"?
IMHO, this was purely about money, nothing else.

Could be about money. Yeah I have read that Page was so fked up by the time they did ITTOD that they relied on JPJ's input/ideas more than b4 . They still used his collaborative efforts and some of his ideas prior to this though. Also this is just an example. You could be right, bands like that are an exception to the rule. Just wondering why Ed wanted to replace him so bad and so early on. Really I'm surprised he contacted Sheenan so many times and so early.

ChrisTheEdHead · 05.21.09, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by At0micPunk

Just wondering why Ed wanted to replace him so bad and so early on. Really I'm surprised he contacted Sheenan so many times and so early.

Because they could bring in Sheehan as a contract player, not give him any songwriting credits (remember, all the early VH songs were credited to all 4 members, which meant the songwriting royalties got split 4 ways), pay him a flat salary, and pocket the difference. That's pretty much what they did to MA before the 04 tour.
It wouldnt surprise me to learn that their plan was for EVH to handle all the bass during recording, and only use Sheehan live. Not saying that's what it was, but just my somewhat-informed speculation.
But then again, this is the same time period that EVH wanted to quit VH and join KISS, so who the hell knows??

LLFHS · 05.21.09, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisTheEdHead

But then again, this is the same time period that EVH wanted to quit VH and join KISS, so who the hell knows??

Seems like Ed spent (and is spending) a lot of his musical career being very unhappy, for one reason or another.

ziggysmalls · 05.21.09, 05:31 PM

As I have said many times here but Eddie has always been a head case. You can read the earliest interviews and see the insecure musician even back in 79-80. However back in the era of Circus, Hit Parader, Guitar and Guitar for the Practicing Musician, everything was sugarcoated to make it look like the band were best friends.

I still remember what Eddie said of Randy Rhoads dying. Something like "he was good but everything he did, he got from me. However at least he acknowledge it." This was in 82 or 83. So when Eddie made comments about Clapton being better on heroin, I was not shocked. People blame the Loon but it's been there for awhile.

However all that being said, Eddie had a lot of responsibility in the band. Dave, Sammy and Eddie carried the band by writing the music while Alex and Mike somewhat coasted through. Mike is not related to Eddie so he got treated different. Not the first time that has happened in the world. I am curious to see if he has any writing credits on the Chickenfoot CD.

phildogger · 06.15.09, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ziggysmalls

Just something to think about but I have a tendancy to pull one of my hundreds of guitar mags for reading material in my bathroom. Anyway pulled one from 2006 which had the unedited Fair Warning interview. This was back when Eddie seemed cool, goofy, trustworthy, etc. Before lead singer changes, How Many Say I, porn tracks and Smooking Loon. Anyway one thing I did pick up from it is he did mentioned his personal demos for Fair Warning, you can hear the bass but on the album you can't hear Mike. Specifically when Eddie wrote songs for Fair Warning, he recorded his own bass lines to whatever he came up with. Whether Mike totally came up with something different or he "borrowed" what Eddie wrote remains to be seen.

Of course he was in an angry mood this day when he mentioned Roth's lack of range and Mike does not contribute anything to the band. He even mentioned that at least Dave carries his weight. Those were edited out of the original interview.

Anyway just further proof that Mike was not hightly thought of by Eddie since he thought more of Dave. Makes anything that Sheehan says to be more believable regarding how they were looking to get rid of Mike from early on.

Does anyone know where I can find this interview??

Dave's Dreidel · 06.15.09, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by phildogger

Does anyone know where I can find this interview??

I remember the article as well.

I can remember Ed's quotes "Mike's driving Lamborghini's on songs I wrote", shit like that.

I also remember the aforementioned "at least Dave carry's his own weight" comment.

If I remember correctly, it was an interview from the early 80's that just got released lately, so maybe it is suspect, but I do remember it.

ziggysmalls · 06.15.09, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel

I remember the article as well.

I can remember Ed's quotes "Mike's driving Lamborghini's on songs I wrote", shit like that.

I also remember the aforementioned "at least Dave carry's his own weight" comment.

If I remember correctly, it was an interview from the early 80's that just got released lately, so maybe it is suspect, but I do remember it.

I am staring at the issue. Guitar One, May 2006. Could be 2008 since its very small print and my 40 eyes are no longer able to see detail like that. However its most likely 2006 because but I believe Guitar One went out of business before 2008. Too bad because it kicked the shit out of Guitar World. Formerly was Guitar for the Practicing Musician.

hagarfn · 06.15.09, 06:53 PM

One more time....

From GW Feb 1990.

GW: Do you think Michael Anthony has gotten a short/shrift from the press?

EVH: Sure. Because he's not a showboat kind of guy. Part of the reason I stick out so much is that Mike doesn't steal the show. I mean, if he wanted to hog the show, so to speak, we'd be butting heads. And if we tried to do unison things, what would be the point?

And like I said the last time I posted this. Mike was exactly where Edward asked him to be.

Does anyone really think Billy would have been?

i1sum2! · 06.16.09, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave's Dreidel

I remember the article as well.

I can remember Ed's quotes "Mike's driving Lamborghini's on songs I wrote", shit like that.

I also remember the aforementioned "at least Dave carry's his own weight" comment.

If I remember correctly, it was an interview from the early 80's that just got released lately, so maybe it is suspect, but I do remember it.

Not positive, but this sounds like the interview he did with Jas Obrecht (sp?) back then. It was early 80's too.

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Originally Posted by hagarfn

One more time....

From GW Feb 1990.

GW: Do you think Michael Anthony has gotten a short/shrift from the press?

EVH: Sure. Because he's not a showboat kind of guy. Part of the reason I stick out so much is that Mike doesn't steal the show. I mean, if he wanted to hog the show, so to speak, we'd be butting heads. And if we tried to do unison things, what would be the point?

And like I said the last time I posted this. Mike was exactly where Edward asked him to be.

Does anyone really think Billy would have been?

Exactumuendo! Thanks for posting that.