Originally Posted by brownnation

Weak ass cop out.

1st - I'd be glad to accept Ed not making music, but don't pull this bullshit "I'm always making music" tune all the time and then "but woe is me I'm so misunderstood by the public I can't release it".

2nd - as a lifetime VH fan I don't really give a shit what it sounds like. I will not judge it based on CVH or Van Hagar, or anything else. It's either good to me or it isn't. Ed's trying to put up this false dichotomy: people won't like my new music b/c they want VH to sound like they did 25 years ago. That's bullshit. People just want it to be good. VH fans don't have an expectation of a certain sound, they just want it to be good. Humans Being to me is the last great thing VH did and to my ear it didn't sound like anything they had ever done before! I'm open to whatever crazy shit Ed wants to throw at us, and I will base my opinion on simply whether I think it is good or not.

3rd - to expound on my second point. I honestly thought Hagar was done. I absolutely loved the shit that he was putting out until the BOBW tracks and then the piece of shit Livin' It Up album (aside from a couple tracks). I was done with him and I figured "oh well, he had a great run". Then he came back with the perfect attitude and CF completely brought it. I'm totally back on board! Eddie could absolutely do the same thing. I ain't buying this "damned if I do damned if I don't" bullshit that Eddie is slinging.

4th - I'm fine if he retires and never puts out another new song ever. But for crissakes don't blame the fans for your lack of production. Quit blaming lead singers. Quit blaming record companies, the public, the state of music, free downloads, lawyers, and everything under the sun for your lack of production. It's so old, it's so tired, it's so trite, it's so petty, and it has just gotten pathetic.

Excuse after pathetic excuse. Quit giving this guy a pass, he hasn't earned it in a long time.

Originally Posted by Little Dreamer

Dude, this is called the "VH" Links. It's not the Aerosmith forums. Most of us do like them, but would we get our collective panties in a bunch over a Joe vs. Steven debate? Not so much. We're upset coz we care. Maybe too much, but that's for another thread.

Even the most pessimistic posters were holding on to a glimmer of hope that EVH would rise to the top again. We get a report he's digging even deeper. If all that was reported is true, it's quite upsetting.

Unemployment has topped 10% in this country, many ppl are hurting, all the while this guy who's net worth is in the 9 digits doesn't want to part with a few hundred thousand $ to make an album. Mind bottling, as Will Ferrell would say!

Originally Posted by tommytom11

right on bro. didn't he and Alex just spend over 250k on cars last wk? and for the guy who called my post ' one guys summation', what i wrote was essentially word for word quotes condensed from several of his responses, not a spin i made up.

Originally Posted by Casemeister

What Edward said is clearly about the majority of the fans here.

How do said fans react?

By further berating a man most of them have never met.

Read between the lines. I have no doubt that Ed has a whole stack of new music ready to go. He says, however, that certain band members don't like it. Certain band members? Dave. What Ed is saying is that if he released this music -- this very un-VH sounding music -- then everybody would just tell him how much it sucked, etc. Would you want to release something you've worked hard on to the public if you knew that you'd be called washed up or creatively useless if they didn't like it?

The man cannot win.

How many here like VH3? I personally do, but I'm in the overwhelming minority. What if Ed released a Van Halen album that sounded even less like classic Van Halen music than VH3? You'd all be making posts about how it sucks, how VH is dead, and such. If he doesn't release said album, well, "VH is dead," etc.

He can't win.

What if Chickenfoot's album sounded like a cross between Indonesian folk music and Chad Smith playing the ukulele? Would the response to it be so positive from Van Halen fans? No. Van Halen fans like that album because it sounds, to a fairly large degree, quite similar to the Van Halen music they love. What if Ed is now incapable of writing in that style? He's a much older man than he was when he wrote Unchained.

Don't take it so seriously... and imagine how you'd feel if you had fans deriding you on a personal level simply because you're not releasing music that you know the majority of them won't like anyway.

Originally Posted by ZachenFoot

I was gonna post a reply to the one you quoted, but you pretty much echoed every thought that I had. Very well done.

Plus, I do feel Ed owes me. I became a fan in 2001 and only got three new songs from him, yet paid for two nostalgia tours and he made a living off my purchasing of his old material I either wasn't old enough for or wasn't even born for. That's not right. And for eight years I stuck around assuming the guy would release something new. I don't care how it sounds, it'd be SOMETHING, and I'd accept it with open ears.

This whole thing is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by chefcraig

I thought you did a fine job of things, tommy. Here is a bit more, posted by Loss Of Control at another site.

"Fans are complaining VH should put a new record out.
They say Eddie should do this/that.
I've got all kinds of music i could put out if i wanted to.
People don't take in consideration the other guys in the band.

I write all kinds of music that certain singers or musicians don't want anything to do with.

So what do i do?
VH conjures up a certain image, and if its a hair outside that image it won't be accepted.

What if we do put something out?
First thing people are going to say is that its not as good as the classics.

People forget, we put out 3 new songs for BOBW and they were never even reviewed, and when we played them live everyone just stood there.
Nobody said anything about them.

Why go to the trouble, spend all that time in the studio,
and tons of your own money, since labels don't put shit out any more,
when people are only going to complain about it or ignore it or download it for free on the internet?

We may not record anything new again.

There is satisfaction in it, but not when it comes solely at your own expense
and when people are only going to shoot it down no matter what you do."

Originally Posted by Daisy Hill

consider yourself lucky, they were't nostalgia tours for you, you had just become aware of the music. For those who have been attending VH tours for 30 years, they were nostalgia tours...deep nostalgia


it's all relative, I guess.....but unless VH starts to get a little airplay by putting out some new music, or even if its some rarities as downloads thru their official site (throw us a bone guys!), they have little chance of attracting fans like you, and that's a shame.

Originally Posted by chefcraig

I thought you did a fine job of things, tommy. Here is a bit more, posted by Loss Of Control at another site.

"Fans are complaining VH should put a new record out.
They say Eddie should do this/that.
I've got all kinds of music i could put out if i wanted to.
People don't take in consideration the other guys in the band.

I write all kinds of music that certain singers or musicians don't want anything to do with.

So what do i do?
VH conjures up a certain image, and if its a hair outside that image it won't be accepted.

What if we do put something out?
First thing people are going to say is that its not as good as the classics.

People forget, we put out 3 new songs for BOBW and they were never even reviewed, and when we played them live everyone just stood there.
Nobody said anything about them.

Why go to the trouble, spend all that time in the studio,
and tons of your own money, since labels don't put shit out any more,
when people are only going to complain about it or ignore it or download it for free on the internet?

We may not record anything new again.

There is satisfaction in it, but not when it comes solely at your own expense
and when people are only going to shoot it down no matter what you do."