EDDIE VAN HALEN, TONY IOMMI Interviewed For GUITAR WORLD's 30th-Anniversary Issue - Page 18

MF5150 · 11.10.09, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by noise next door

Dude, everyone does everything for a paycheck, not just EVH... and BTW welcome to the "new music industry"... have you checked out nine inch nails website recently..everything is a straight freebie...

I get that.

Again....YOU are not the only ENLIGHTENED one here. We know it's all about the money.

Doesn't mean I or the TRUE FANS need to agree with it.

i1sum2! · 11.10.09, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by noise next door

Hmm... You should go work at Azoff's office

No thanks chief. I hate that crook.

I have to laugh at your assumption that "96% of the audience DON'T WANT to hear new music at the concert because:

1. they are only casual music fans...and they will not KNOW the new music"

So, by your logic, you're saying that the remaining 4% are diehards at a VH show? Jeezuz Kerhist on a cracker!

brownnation · 11.10.09, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by noise next door

Wanna buy some land?

So I take it from this response that you assume someone is naive for believing what the guy said all those years.

I think it is beyond cynical to think that he was only making music for the money. I think that is absurd. Yes, he is a professional and he needs to get paid for what he does. But that in no way excludes the idea that he really is a musical artists and there are many other reasons to create than dollars.

You probably are correct about his motivation right now. All signs point to that. But you seem to be insinuating that this always how this guy was motivated. I don't believe that has always been the case and I don't believe I'm naive for thinking that.

noise next door · 11.10.09, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MF5150

I get that.

Again....YOU are not the only ENLIGHTENED one here. We know it's all about the money.

Doesn't mean I or the TRUE FANS need to agree with it.

Well if you're so enlightened, why are you so upset? Why don't you start a band and we'll all buy your new CD if it kicks ass.

Glenninaus · 11.10.09, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Red

Ed could alleviate a lot of the inevitable critique of whatever he wants to put out by simply calling the thing Edward Van Halen, Ed and Friends, or whatever. Quell the VH expectations by defining it as something different preemptively.

Ed could call it anything he wants, but if three of the band's last name is VAN HALEN, and the fourth guy was the lead singer for a band called VAN HALEN,and they have previously toured as....VAN HALEN. Guess what the public will perceived them as?

IMO it would look even more ridiculous to pretend it is something else.

Glenn

noise next door · 11.10.09, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by brownnation

I think it is beyond cynical to think that he was only making music for the money. I think that is absurd.

You call it "the money", I call it "building a career".

The career has been built and now it's only the live show thats needed for 1000's of people to make a buck.

brownnation · 11.10.09, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by noise next door

You call it "the money", I call it "building a career".

The career has been built and now it's only the live show thats needed for 1000's of people to make a buck.

I don't think a 20-30 something EVH who slept with his guitar was "building his career" or thought of his musical artform as simply a business proposition. His "career" was a by-product of his love for his craft. At some point in time that changed and then we begin to agree about EVH's motivation. But I really don't believe the musical output from 1978-1998 was motivated by cash. It was until his creative failure did he start changing his tune and approach about the music biz.

i1sum2! · 11.10.09, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by brownnation

I don't think a 20-30 something EVH who slept with his guitar was "building his career" or thought of his musical artform as simply a business proposition. His "career" was a by-product of his love for his craft. At some point in time that changed and then we begin to agree about EVH's motivation. But I really don't believe the musical output from 1978-1998 was motivated by cash. It was until his creative failure did he start changing his tune and approach about the music biz.

Exactly. Thanks.

noise next door · 11.10.09, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by brownnation

I don't think a 20-30 something EVH who slept with his guitar was "building his career" or thought of his musical artform as simply a business proposition. His "career" was a by-product of his love for his craft. At some point in time that changed and then we begin to agree about EVH's motivation. But I really don't believe the musical output from 1978-1998 was motivated by cash. It was until his creative failure did he start changing his tune and approach about the music biz.

Going into the studio with Roth in 2009 is a job. Especially when a new record is not AT ALL needed to maintain a "top 10 worldwide musical outfit". VH's back catalog is legendary shit. Eddie's done his heavy lifting.

And don't forget that all business advisors, managers, agents, and lawyers don't give a shit whether a new record materializes in the next 6 months, so in essence every real influence that is surrounding him is just waiting till next spring when he gets up on stage again. That is ALL that matters.

TheresOnlyOneWay · 11.10.09, 01:54 PM

Eddie's a washed-up has-been that's gonna milk the past for all it's worth. I won't contribute to it, but that's the way it's gonna be.

Jrailer · 11.10.09, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chefcraig

"I'm a Tony chaser, I chase Tony."

Yeah, I know.

lmfao big time

i1sum2! · 11.10.09, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by noise next door

Going into the studio with Roth in 2009 is a job. Especially when a new record is not AT ALL needed to maintain a "top 10 worldwide musical outfit". VH's back catalog is legendary shit. Eddie's done his heavy lifting.

And don't forget that all business advisors, managers, agents, and lawyers don't give a shit whether a new record materializes in the next 6 months, so in essence every real influence that is surrounding him is just waiting till next spring when he gets up on stage again. That is ALL that matters.

Well, at least you got your username right.

looper_guy · 11.10.09, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by noise next door

Going into the studio with Roth in 2009 is a job. Especially when a new record is not AT ALL needed to maintain a "top 10 worldwide musical outfit". VH's back catalog is legendary shit. Eddie's done his heavy lifting.].

When has it not been a chore for the VH bros to be in the studio with Roth. One would think that it was worth doing if the motivation was to create something. What's sad is that the creative spark that made EVH so special, IMO, seems to have been snuffed.

And as for "top 10" status, your point is valid. However, that just highlights the FUBAR situation of popular music this century. 4 of the top 10 concert draws in 2008 haven't released albums in years. To put VH in the same category as likes of Celine Dion and Neil Diamond is nothing I'm going to crow about.

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Originally Posted by noise next door

And don't forget that all business advisors, managers, agents, and lawyers don't give a shit whether a new record materializes in the next 6 months, so in essence every real influence that is surrounding him is just waiting till next spring when he gets up on stage again. That is ALL that matters.

And that is at the core of the frustration being vented in this here parts.

T.B. · 11.10.09, 03:11 PM

Even with Eddie's usual line of bullshit the past year about (eventually) working on new music, blah, blah blah, this really comes as no shock. From a purely business standpoint, working on and somehow releasing a new studio album is a waste of time. Van Halen really doesn't have any major record label support or even interest and the band for all intents and purposes is an oldies act. There's dozens of other major bands who've echoed the same frustration and resignation about releasing "albums" as we know them, from Nine Inch Nails to The Cult to The Smashing Pumpkins. Despite many fans wishful thinking that their favorite artists record new music for the joy of being "artists," the overwelming majority of them look at it as a job and a means of income first and foremost.

Now I'm not defending Eddie - far from it. The guy's been a lying, fucked-in-the-head self absorbed asshole for years if not decades. His comments in Guitar World are simply another notch in his belt o' bullshit. But I don't lose any sleep over it any more than I did when the '96 Roth reunion fell apart. Guys like Eddie, as a fan you either have to separate the man from his music or get swallowed up in the soap opera bullshit. I got a couple decades worth of great music that I still listen to from time to time and even enjoyed the Roth and Hagar walk down memory lane reunions this decade.

Eddie (and Dave, Alex and the rest of 'em) can happily piss off to his retirement at 5150 - good luck to him. I got enough enjoyment outta his music and there's still plenty of other decent bands and music out there to last me a lifetime.

T.B.

ZORBA5150 · 11.10.09, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TheresOnlyOneWay

Eddie's a washed-up has-been that's gonna milk the past for all it's worth. I won't contribute to it, but that's the way it's gonna be.

You won't contribute to it, but you will bitch about it forever just like everything else.