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janthraxx
06.19.08, 08:57 AM
(partially, at the very least)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=c0GWoxbMs1k&feature=related

Van Squalen
06.19.08, 09:04 AM
<sigh>

Jan, why do you bother, when you know what's coming? :confused:

janthraxx
06.19.08, 09:09 AM
Um, it's a video. Just sharing it. There's nothing you can really argue with, no room for interpretation. He straight up says it.

bcgvh
06.19.08, 09:48 AM
lol! It certainly isn't reflected in gas prices. We have and have had plenty of crude oil, we don't have the refineries in our own country to convert it into useful sources of energy, or at least not enough of them. If we are at war for oil alone, then we need to start killing more people faster to get these prices down, hahaha!!! Janthraxx, give it a rest. I don't believe we're fighting for oil, but hypothetically speaking, let's say we are, what is this going to change? THINK MAN THINK!!!!!!

bcgvh
06.19.08, 09:48 AM
Um, it's a video. Just sharing it. There's nothing you can really argue with, no room for interpretation. He straight up says it.

So what are you gonna do about it? LOL!!!

edwardv
06.19.08, 10:30 AM
If we are there for just the oil then why dont we just divert it all to US refineries? Isnt Iraq still a voting member of OPEC? If so how has Iraq voted the last several OPEC meetings with regards to production?

billy007
06.19.08, 10:33 AM
I'm waiting for one of 'em to just admit they're only in it for the money and other perks!

Metal Marc
06.19.08, 11:26 AM
I'm waiting for one of 'em to just admit they're only in it for the money and other perks!

billy007, I'm only at work for the money. Total cash grab, man.

MikeL
06.19.08, 11:56 AM
(partially, at the very least)

Nice weasel words. If you had half a brain left in your pot-addled head you'd be damn happy to hear what McCain is saying there--it lines up with your dislike of the war.

Is there anyone who doesn't know that we're involved in the Middle East for oil? If there is, our education system has failed. It doesn't take much critical thinking to understand our presence there.

And how fucked up is Chris Matthews? He's either an idiot (believe that we've been in the ME for decades because of something other than oil) or he's pandering to idiots. Either way it says nothing good about him or his "journalism."

McCain was being honest and forthright there. Anyone who is against our involvement in the Middle East should be eating up what he said and asking for more. Removing our dependence upon foreign oil returns our strategic flexibility to us. We won't have to be involved there anymore.

Viking
06.19.08, 02:51 PM
How come we invaded Iraq for oil? I think we should invade Canada, eh!

janthraxx
06.19.08, 03:21 PM
Is there anyone who doesn't know that we're involved in the Middle East for oil?



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I don't believe we're fighting for oil...

....




So while the froggies were marching in the streets of Paris to denounce our "War for Oil"...



...and I'm sure there are many, many more here.

MikeL
06.19.08, 04:53 PM
Many, many more what? Froggies?

WinterlessIceness
06.19.08, 05:06 PM
Is there anyone who doesn't know that we're involved in the Middle East for oil? If there is, our education system has failed. It doesn't take much critical thinking to understand our presence there.



I would still say front-line army training might be another reason.

MikeL
06.19.08, 05:14 PM
You've never served in the military. Training and deployments are two vastly different things. One builds your strength and the other wears it down.

WinterlessIceness
06.19.08, 05:29 PM
I didn't mean the immediate personnelle serving in Iraq - I've meant the tactics, weapons, communication, logictics. Same thing like Germany's involvement in Spanish civil war.
Mind you, many politicians have never served in military either :) .

Axxman300
06.19.08, 05:34 PM
jan's pretty selective about what he quotes. Maybe he's keeping an enemies list so he can turn us over to the Obama Caliphate next year for crimes against the state.

I say this because I have actually posted - many times - that oil was a big part of why we are in Iraq. Jan, like others of his kind only see and read what they want to see and read.

Remember, it was President James Earl Carter who set our Middle East policy in stone back in 1980 when he declared that "The free flow of oil from the Persian Gulf is in the direct interest of the national security of the United States". Back then this was about Iran but when Saddam invaded Kuwait he was added to the list.

The Iraq war is just a logical extension of Carter's initial policy and builds upon it in a logical way. I'll quote someone smarter than I am:


These kinds of discussions are pretty pointless if you don't approach them correctly. Military action is an extension of US foreign policy. What is the singular, overarching goal of US foreign policy? Protect and extend US interests. Believe it or not, freedom and democracy and oil and defeating terrorists and expanding American influence are in the interest of the US. So it does not matter which bullshit slogan you choose to believe, whether it is "The US invaded Iraq for oil" or "The US invaded Iraq to spread democracy", you are right. You are also a simpleton.

The Administration did the math as figured that for a minimal expenditure of blood and treasure it could:

1) Impose the most significant political change to the face of the Middle East since the British withdrew.

1a) A mildly economically successful Iraq draws overeducated, underemployed from SA, Syria, Iran and gives them a place where they can earn a living in a society that is not TOO foreign to them (all you experts out there, what was the demographic of the 9/11 hijackers?)

1b) A mildly democratic Iraq is a drastic improvement over the regimes in the ME (all you experts out there, what is one of the underlying causes of the formation of AQ?)

2) Gain real estate that would allow the removal of troops from Saudi Arabia.

3) Flank Iran

4) Dust off the big military (didn't happen in AFG), just in case we need a shit load of experienced soldiers to train a sudden influx of volunteers or conscripts.

These are the things that are in the long term interests of the United States

All I have to add is this:

How have we benifitted from this invasion, oil-wise? Where is our cheaper gas?

Red
06.19.08, 05:41 PM
It is against the interests of the United States and indeed the world as a whole for some crazy-assed dictator or some crackpot religious regime to make a power play for control of oil, i.e., invading neighboring countries, etc., and therefore, if oil is the number one reason for it all....so what?

Now for a question, because I don't know the answer.....are we getting any oil at all from Iraq? When is this price break going to kick in? When are the Iraqi people going to show some appreciation for what we've done for them, i.e., knocking off a torturous dictator, giving them a chance at being a better country.....insert cynicism anywhere within this paragraph, but really.....if oil is the reason, then where's the payoff?

Yes, it's about oil, among other things. And yet, we've reaped jack squat from it...go figure.:confused:

WinterlessIceness
06.19.08, 05:51 PM
Now for a question, because I don't know the answer.....are we getting any oil at all from Iraq?

Well you dont expect to simply pump their oil for free, or even below OPEC prices. It's Iraqi soil, under Iraqi government. What kind of a look in the world's eyes would the US have if the gas prices would start to rapidly go down?

Axxman300
06.19.08, 05:55 PM
Most of our imported oil comes from Canada. Before the war, the "Oil for Food" program sent Iraqi oil to California.

I don't know why.

hatchetforce
06.19.08, 06:02 PM
\Mind you, many politicians have never served in military either :) .

Mish, my friend, do ya really wanna throw that line out in a McCain thread? Even if you despise the next president, how can ya doubt his service, including the Forrestal inferno and as a POW?

Wickett
06.19.08, 06:05 PM
Iraq accounts for approx 5% of US imports of Petrol. Impacting Iraq alone isn't going to make that much of an impact on prices, unless Saddam was THE controlling partner in APAC.

However as someone has mentioned, how much money is to be made by the politicians in power from this action?

I don't really know.. here's the link.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

Wickett
06.19.08, 06:09 PM
Mish, my friend, do ya really wanna throw that line out in a McCain thread? Even if you despise the next president, how can ya doubt his service, including the Forrestal inferno and as a POW?

Plus he has a son serving in Iraq (or at least that was the plan, unless it changed due to security reasons).

WinterlessIceness
06.19.08, 06:16 PM
Mish, my friend, do ya really wanna throw that line out in a McCain thread? Even if you despise the next president, how can ya doubt his service, including the Forrestal inferno and as a POW?

I was talking about Bush's office and the likes of Dick Cheney (or Bush himself). No disregard towards McCain

hatchetforce
06.19.08, 06:18 PM
I was talking about Bush's office and the likes of Dick Cheney (or Bush himself). No disregard towards McCain

Duly Noted :thumb:

Ain't Talkin' Bout' Love
06.19.08, 06:21 PM
How come we invaded Iraq for oil? I think we should invade Canada, eh!

Yeah, might as well, our fucking government is stupid enough to sell it to you rather than take care of itself! Gas prices may be nuts abroad, but your prices are damn peachy compared to the fucking pathetic amount we're forced to dish out to subsist. And even I don't have much right to complain when the English, Irish, etc. are paying like $3 a LITER for this stuff.

Wickett
06.19.08, 06:23 PM
Yeah, might as well, our fucking government is stupid enough to sell it to you rather than take care of itself! Gas prices may be nuts abroad, but your prices are damn peachy compared to the fucking pathetic amount we're forced to dish out to subsist. And even I don't have much right to complain when the English, Irish, etc. are paying like $3 a LITER for this stuff.

I get your point.. how much of your cost per gallon is due to taxes? How does it compare to US? (guess I'll have to look it up since I asked the question ;) )

WinterlessIceness
06.19.08, 06:27 PM
Yeah, might as well, our fucking government is stupid enough to sell it to you rather than take care of itself! Gas prices may be nuts abroad, but your prices are damn peachy compared to the fucking pathetic amount we're forced to dish out to subsist. And even I don't have much right to complain when the English, Irish, etc. are paying like $3 a LITER for this stuff.

We're driving 1.1lt cars over relatively short distances. In the States, when you're driving from one state to another in your 5.5 SUV, $3 a gallon becomes more or less our $3 a liter :D

WinterlessIceness
06.19.08, 06:29 PM
Duly Noted :thumb:

:thumb:

LLFHS
06.19.08, 06:33 PM
I thought we were there for the hotties.

Red
06.19.08, 06:42 PM
I thought we were there for the hotties.

Haha! Talk about an untapped resource.....the Middle Easterners most definitely have some hotties. And I'm all for hotties of every culture and nomenclature, no doubt!:headbang:

hatchetforce
06.19.08, 06:47 PM
Haha! Talk about an untapped resource.....the Middle Easterners most definitely have some hotties. And I'm all for hotties of every culture and nomenclature, no doubt!:headbang:

**slightly off-topic, my bad - Red i looked up my original sig on this site and it reads: "Pitfall & Chopper Command basically ruined my life at a young impressionable age ~ Red" :thumb:

Red
06.19.08, 07:01 PM
Hatch, you rock.

I love the Links on a good night.:headbang:

Back on topic, I just realized my car needs an oil change, OH THE IRONY!

Ain't Talkin' Bout' Love
06.19.08, 07:06 PM
I get your point.. how much of your cost per gallon is due to taxes? How does it compare to US? (guess I'll have to look it up since I asked the question ;) )

Taxes on fuel here are probably between 70-85%. It's truly sickening.

onefootoutthedoor
06.19.08, 07:12 PM
Haha! Talk about an untapped resource.....the Middle Easterners most definitely have some hotties. And I'm all for hotties of every culture and nomenclature, no doubt!:headbang:

One of the hottest girls I slept with was an Iranian girl who had a set of knockers to die for and legs that went on forever. :thumb:

Red
06.19.08, 07:30 PM
a set of knockers to die for and legs that went on forever. :thumb:

Oh shit, a Van Halen fan!:thumb:

Axxman300
06.19.08, 07:34 PM
One of the hottest girls I slept with was an Iranian girl who had a set of knockers to die for and legs that went on forever. :thumb:


Yep, same here. Plus she was the nastiest teenage girl(I was 19 at the time) I have ever met. We worked together at the movie theater and during break she's sit next to me and suck on a lollypop. Slow and loud.

Oh, man she still gives me a boner.

hatchetforce
06.19.08, 08:11 PM
One of the hottest girls I slept with was an Iranian girl who had a set of knockers to die for and legs that went on forever. :thumb:

[btw i'm a meat-curtain kinda ranger]

http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/623/c37/623c3730-3199-4f89-b8cc-c36574697df8
Was that the chick i glanced to the left at, i mean the keeper, whenst i disembarked from the helli, atop the Burl Al Arab? ( Feb 08)

pgaugh5150
06.19.08, 08:30 PM
Maybe he will give me five bucks to get home.

Red
06.19.08, 08:41 PM
http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/623/c37/623c3730-3199-4f89-b8cc-c36574697df8
( Feb 08)

Family Law attorneys find employ over shit like this, no?

hatchetforce
06.19.08, 08:41 PM
Maybe he will give me five bucks to get home.

Who, Mcain...he'll armwrestle ya for it and you'll lose cuz he'll look ya in the eye and go "Ford?" it's hammer time, ya idjit - fak rothfiends.com [buncha bottomfeeders from rotharmyreserve {except fer that hot-assed diamondsgirl}

janthraxx
06.19.08, 10:26 PM
jan's pretty selective about what he quotes. Maybe he's keeping an enemies list so he can turn us over to the Obama Caliphate next year for crimes against the state.

I say this because I have actually posted - many times - that oil was a big part of why we are in Iraq. Jan, like others of his kind only see and read what they want to see and read.



I know you've made that distinction, but from reading other posts and your blog, you seem to think that Bush and Co. initially went to war to get Saddam and free Iraq, paving the way for democracy.



How have we benifitted from this invasion, oil-wise? Where is our cheaper gas?

Why would benefit be passed on to us in the form of lower prices when we're perfectly willing to continue to pay exorbitant prices for it, being such a crucial commodity?

And btw, Obama is a tool, too.

janthraxx
06.19.08, 10:28 PM
Many, many more what? Froggies?

People on this board who think we didn't invade Iraq at least partially to maintain access to the region's oil. But I didn't have to say that, you're just being purposefully dense.

MikeL
06.19.08, 10:47 PM
People on this board who think we didn't invade Iraq at least partially to maintain access to the region's oil. But I didn't have to say that, you're just being purposefully dense.

Actually, I'm just trying to figure out what you're trying to say. You're damn good at writing incomplete sentences.

When are you going to stop bitching and moaning and start making a difference in the world? Do you even know what you stand for?

janthraxx
06.19.08, 10:51 PM
You have no idea what I do with my life, dipshit.

MikeL
06.19.08, 10:53 PM
So you keep saying. And it's all you keep saying about it. That speaks volumes. So does your angry and defensive tone.

janthraxx
06.19.08, 11:02 PM
Do you want me to make a list or something? I don't need to prove myself to you, but it is irritating when you keep assuming you know jack shit about my personal life. Even if I were to list some things, you'd just bitch and moan about them, so I won't bother.

MikeL
06.19.08, 11:11 PM
You're just a poser, Jan. You get all excited about all of these half-baked ideas, but you never do a damn thing to make a difference in this world.

Every day there's this group of old ladies here in town that go out and protest the war. They stand there on a corner waving their "Grandmas for Peace" signs at everyone. It's pointless, it's stupid, and they aren't going to change anyones opinions. The time that they invest there could actually make a positive difference in the community if they spent it more wisely. But you know what? At least they're doing something. They're acting on their beliefs.

You hate your country, you hate society, you hate civilization. You talk about stupid shit like getting snipped. You're a verbal cheerleader for terrorists. But you know what? You don't do shit. Your life is a waste of resources. You are a drain on this planet that you pretend to care so much about. Your beliefs are nothing but convenient wrappers for all of that anger you have inside towards whatever it is that you blame for your life.

A belief that isn't acted on is nothing.

janthraxx
06.19.08, 11:58 PM
I act on my beliefs a hell of a lot more than you, I'm sure. You drive an SUV, right? That runs on gas? That means you're helping to keep your beloved country addicted to foreign oil, ensuring we will continue fighting resource wars, and keeping us locked into an ecologically destructive method of transportation. So right there, just with the simple act of not purchasing gasoline (which I haven't done for years), I'm doing far more than you. And that's a very negligible portion of what I do. But this isn't about me, or what I do. It's about you, trying to make yourself feel better for the pitiful, sorry little black pebble heart--and puny limp cock probably half as big, based on your frequent attempted intimidation of posters, including women--that resides in your pathetic flabby body.

See what happens when we make rampant assumptions about one another? The difference is that mine are probably largely true.

MikeL
06.20.08, 12:10 AM
LOL! I love it, Jan. I absolutely do. So idealistic. So passionate about saving the planet. And so, so inactive.

"I don't buy gasoline." Dear lord, that's a winner.

One thing you forgot about me, Jan. It's that I'm continually encouraging you to actually do something for these causes you claim to care about so much. The reason I have no respect for you is because you're all talk. When will you start to make your life worthwhile? Make a commitment, Jan. If you can't do that, what are you?

LLFHS
06.20.08, 07:34 AM
One of the hottest girls I slept with was an Iranian girl who had a set of knockers to die for and legs that went on forever. :thumb:

Went out with a student at UCLA around 2000 who was half Italian and half Iraqi and just absolutely stunning. Unlike you though, stud, I didn't land the Eagle. :(

That was a tough loss.

ziggysmalls
06.20.08, 07:49 AM
I admire somebody who goes out of the way to not buy gasoline but posting on this site, encourages dependancy on foreign oil.

How did the notebook or PC arrive in this country? Either flew on a plane or on a cargo ship. Both use fuel derived from oil. They were delievered from the dock or airport on trucks to a shipping depot. Think how much fuel was burned to transport a PC from Indonesia to lets say Kansas.

Your ISP gets its commerical power from a power plant which several thousand employees drive to work every day. You also have site vehicles which operate on gas.

Your ISP has its own employees which maitain the network. Those people burn fuel to get to work every day. You also have backup generators which hold hundreds of gallons of diseal fuel.

If you decide to go with a newer connection to your house like Uverse or something similar, your ISP has to run new cable. Backhoes don't run on solar power. Neither do the people who operate them.

Anyway you get the point. While its nice to think that we are making sacrifices to eliminate our dependancy on black gold, we really are not doing a thing. Its like getting a diet coke with three big macs and a large fry. You are still ingesting about 3000 calories.

janthraxx
06.20.08, 09:06 AM
You bring up good points, but did I ever say anybody can or should be perfect? No. It's about doing the best we can.

RRMB
06.20.08, 12:03 PM
You bring up good points, but did I ever say anybody can or should be perfect? No. It's about doing the best we can.

I guess this means I won't be getting an Environmentalist of The Year Award anytime soon, will I jan?? :rolleyes:

I mean, considering what I drive to, from AND for work each and every day. :D

http://a125.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/31/l_b4fe81dad9dceae500eb9e380b2f5434.jpg

Just remember. It may come from another country on a ship or plane. But it takes ME and the other 1.5 million drivers out there to deliver EVERYTHING you need...EVERYDAY!! From the powder corn startch to make baby formula, to recycled cardboard, returned to make the pulpboard needed to make sacks and cardboard boxes.

You self-righteous twit. You have no inkling of a clue what it takes just to get you your basic neccessities to you on a daily basis.

I've done A LOT of reading in the last few weeks, since the "trucker shut-down on April 1," TRUST ME...oil and it's consumption are the least of our concerns right now. But you're too blind to see that. If it were as bad as you're saying; I wouldn't have a job and there's be NO trucks on the road, no trains running and ships sitting in the middle of the ocean.

In the last year 864 trucking companies have gone under due to a shitty economy. NOT fuel prices. The fuel prices were just the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak.

If you look close enough, we have more oil in reserve and ready to be refined than we know what to do with. But these fucking "speculators" keep pushing the chicken switch, making everyone believe that we don't have enough oil. We have plenty. We just don't have the refineries to make it in to useable fuel.

And I'm sorry, even though it's not direct, there it's no coincidence that you have two oilmen in the White House and Oil at an all time high.

VanHalenRules
06.20.08, 12:07 PM
I guess this means I won't be getting an Environmentalist of The Year Award anytime soon, will I jan?? :rolleyes:

I mean, considering what I drive to, from AND for work each and every day. :D

<a href="http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=56291152&albumID=1461186&imageID=6398340"><img src="http://hotlink.myspacecdn.com/images01/31/b4fe81dad9dceae500eb9e380b2f5434/m.jpg" alt="The Black Beast" /></a>

Just remember. It may come from another country on a ship or plane. But it takes ME and the other 1.5 million drivers out there to deliver EVERYTHING you need...EVERYDAY!! From the powder corn startch to make baby formula, to recycled cardboard, returned to make the pulpboard needed to make sacks and cardboard boxes.

You self-righteous twit. You have no inkling of a clue what it takes just to get you your basic neccessities to you on a daily basis.

I've done A LOT of reading in the last few weeks, since the "trucker shut-down on April 1. Oil and it's consumption are the least of our concerns right now. But you're too blind to see that. If it were as bad as you're saying; I wouldn't have a job and there's be NO trucks on the road, no trains running and ships sitting in the middle of the ocean.

In the last year 864 trucking companies have gone under due to a shitty economy. NOT fuel prices. The fuel prices were just the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak.

If you look close enough, we have more oil in reserve and ready to be refined than we know what to do with. But these fucking "speculators" keep pushing the chicken switch, making everyone believe that we don't have enough oil. We have plenty. We just don't have the refineries to make it in to useable fuel.

And I'm sorry, even though it's not direct, there it's no coincidence that you have two oilmen in the White House and Oil at an all time high.

Yeah, but in your case, wouldn't it be more prudent to not compare MPG, but rather the amount of fuel per ton of cargo burned per mile? I would imagine that if things were figured that way, environmentalists would be singing a bit different tune.

RRMB
06.20.08, 12:15 PM
Yeah, but in your case, wouldn't it be more prudent to not compare MPG, but rather the amount of fuel per ton of cargo burned per mile? I would imagine that if things were figured that way, environmentalists would be singing a bit different tune.

I saw a study on that once, just in the last few weeks. It was staggering how much product we move, from the raw goods to finished product, using the least amount of fuel.

I don't remember where I saw it, but it also showed annual consumption/wear & tear on the roads, and people driving cars used more oil/fuel and caused MORE damage to the roads that we do it our beasts. Hard to believe, I know. But it's true.

Today, in another link here, people are travelling less, but prices are still climbing??? Tell me there is no collusion at this point. If useage is down, travel is down and supplies are actually up...shouldn't prices be dropping??

fudd
06.20.08, 12:21 PM
You bring up good points, but did I ever say anybody can or should be perfect? No. It's about doing the best we can.Just in casual conversations you seem to come across that you're better than everyone and how dare someone say something you don't like. You don't like McCain? Then don't vote for him. Obama is gonna fuck up the U.S. if elected so do whatever YOU feel is right. Stop fucking forcing your opinions on people. Fact is we need oil so deal with it.

seenbad
06.20.08, 12:39 PM
It's about you, trying to make yourself feel better for the pitiful, sorry little black pebble heart--and puny limp cock probably half as big, based on your frequent attempted intimidation of posters, including women--that resides in your pathetic flabby body.

See what happens when we make rampant assumptions about one another? The difference is that mine are probably largely true.

Aw. How sweet. Should Mike put that in his signature?

Lay off the name calling while you're arguing. Granted you guys (and me too) spur each others conversation, but I didn't see Mike going there. Knock it off. Thanks.

Axxman300
06.20.08, 01:52 PM
I guess this means I won't be getting an Environmentalist of The Year Award anytime soon, will I jan?? :rolleyes:

I mean, considering what I drive to, from AND for work each and every day. :D

http://a125.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/31/l_b4fe81dad9dceae500eb9e380b2f5434.jpg

Just remember. It may come from another country on a ship or plane. But it takes ME and the other 1.5 million drivers out there to deliver EVERYTHING you need...EVERYDAY!! From the powder corn startch to make baby formula, to recycled cardboard, returned to make the pulpboard needed to make sacks and cardboard boxes.

You self-righteous twit. You have no inkling of a clue what it takes just to get you your basic neccessities to you on a daily basis.

I've done A LOT of reading in the last few weeks, since the "trucker shut-down on April 1," TRUST ME...oil and it's consumption are the least of our concerns right now. But you're too blind to see that. If it were as bad as you're saying; I wouldn't have a job and there's be NO trucks on the road, no trains running and ships sitting in the middle of the ocean.

In the last year 864 trucking companies have gone under due to a shitty economy. NOT fuel prices. The fuel prices were just the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak.

If you look close enough, we have more oil in reserve and ready to be refined than we know what to do with. But these fucking "speculators" keep pushing the chicken switch, making everyone believe that we don't have enough oil. We have plenty. We just don't have the refineries to make it in to useable fuel.

And I'm sorry, even though it's not direct, there it's no coincidence that you have two oilmen in the White House and Oil at an all time high.


The petrolium market was opened up to speculators in 2000 with an act of Congress. It could be closed to speculators with an act of Congress too, I said before that both McCain and Obama could take the pressure off RIGHT now by sponsoring a bill to make this change and yet both parties are either clueless or on the take from investors. Bush was one of the few Texas oilmen to lose money and bankrupt the company that he ran, which underlined a huge problem with his basic, shit-from-Shinola know how.

Look, the energy problems we face today have been 30 years in the making. In 1979 we allowed ourselves to be scared away from nuclear power. So we turned to coal, which has had devistating effects on the environment. For a while in the 1980s everyone drove fuel efficient cars such as Hondas, Chevettes and Volkwagons. None of my friends would ever be caught in a Tuna Boat like an SUV. Then in the 1990s this changed, the SUV became popular while at the same time we told the government to ban oil drilling in certain places that we thought had scenic value. Any time an oil company wanted to build a new refinery or expand an existing one the American people said "No". So we put ourselves in a situation where we are driving more fuel-inefficient cars which consume MORE gas and we have LESS oil refineries to convert oil into gas. Plus, sinc we can't drill on our own soil, because it's too pretty, we have to stand in line in the global market. While Canada is cool, most of the world oil is underneath countries run by assholes.

So we can blame Bush all we want but Bush is just an obvious extension of the nation's collective intellect. We are idiots, so why should our current (or even next) President be any different than we are. Government by the people is our reality.

Viking
06.20.08, 04:14 PM
Now that McCain has opened up about Iraq and oil, isn't it about time Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton come out and say that they're involved in the Civil Rights Movement for the money?

janthraxx
06.20.08, 10:04 PM
I guess this means I won't be getting an Environmentalist of The Year Award anytime soon, will I jan?? :rolleyes:

I mean, considering what I drive to, from AND for work each and every day. :D

Just remember. It may come from another country on a ship or plane. But it takes ME and the other 1.5 million drivers out there to deliver EVERYTHING you need...EVERYDAY!! From the powder corn startch to make baby formula, to recycled cardboard, returned to make the pulpboard needed to make sacks and cardboard boxes.


If you look close enough, we have more oil in reserve and ready to be refined than we know what to do with. But these fucking "speculators" keep pushing the chicken switch, making everyone believe that we don't have enough oil. We have plenty. We just don't have the refineries to make it in to useable fuel.

And I'm sorry, even though it's not direct, there it's no coincidence that you have two oilmen in the White House and Oil at an all time high.

You may not get the Environmental of the Year Award, but you sure do receive the Honorary MikeL Assumptive Ass Post of the Day Award.

Seriously, why did you (apparently) take my post as a personal attack? Guess what? I drive a gas-guzzling van for work! You think I don't know shit gets delivered on fuel hog trucks? You think I'm stupid? Believe me, I'm sure I know the processes that get products onto a store shelf a lot more in depth than most. Which is why I almost never buy new things, save for food.



You have no inkling of a clue what it takes just to get you your basic neccessities to you on a daily basis.

Don't even try me. I could easily give you a full page explanation of what it took just to get me the vegan ice cream sandwich I ate today after biking 4 miles in the blazing sun...could you go into that much detail about one thing you ate, without consulting any sources or websites?




In the last year 864 trucking companies have gone under due to a shitty economy. NOT fuel prices. The fuel prices were just the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak.



Tell that to Mike. He seems to think your children (if you have any) would starve to death because I support ending our reliance on foreign oil.

MikeL
06.20.08, 10:15 PM
I'm enjoying how you can't have a discussion without mentioning me, Jan. It seems I've gotten into your head.

seenbad
06.20.08, 10:36 PM
you sure do receive the Honorary MikeL Assumptive Ass Post of the Day Award.


Once more and the only forum you'll be posting in on this site is the tard barn. You should actually already be there after my warning but considering our and your history on this site, one more chance is coming your way. One more time here in this forum tonight and you're done. Make your point without name calling.

janthraxx
06.20.08, 10:47 PM
Once more and the only forum you'll be posting in on this site is the tard barn. You should actually already be there after my warning but considering our and your history on this site, one more chance is coming your way. One more time here in this forum tonight and you're done. Make your point without name calling.

Alright, that's cool. Do you ever reprimand Mike for the same, though?

seenbad
06.20.08, 10:48 PM
I've told Mike to cool off, yes. This isn't about him though right now, is it?

MikeL
06.20.08, 11:16 PM
I'd much rather see it be about Jan realizing that McCain's message aligns with his own stated beliefs. Cleaner, more environmentally friendly power and less need to militarily impose our will on other nations. I'm a little unclear as to why Jan dislikes those two outcomes. Maybe he'll actually try to tell us?

Little Dreamer
06.20.08, 11:29 PM
McCain won't get elected, he stands no chance against Obama.

Why? Coz Metal fans support Barack :D:

http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/MetalheadsforObama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgkrX-NSt6Q