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JimboHalen
08.16.00, 11:24 AM
I have a question on how to get the VH guitar sound like they had on the first album. What is a good amp, and processor to buy to get that sound? A processor under $200 would be nice.

Brett
08.16.00, 11:25 AM
Jimbo, this topic should be in the "Guitar Room." Going to move it there, the guys there will give you some answers.

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Rick S
08.16.00, 02:08 PM
ahhhhhhhh the search for the holy grail.....dude you can get fairly close but no one will ever nail that tone again..it had as much to do with eds hands and the studio as well as his gear..... tribb could probably really give good advice hes into the marshall plexi mods(lucky bastardhttp://208.50.7.95/vhlforum/smilies/smile.gif).i know a really good plate reverb helps first off..i guess you already know a custom wound paf humbucker ,blazing el34 tubes,mxr phase 90,mxr flanger,celestion greenback speakers..blah blah blah..lol.....blah blah damn it !! i hate my rig !!! i want a modded plexi head !!!!

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Brett
08.16.00, 02:36 PM
It's tribb's job to sound like Eddie, he could probably lend a hand here. Where are ya man? http://208.50.7.95/vhlforum/smilies/smile.gif

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Edward Van Halen
08.16.00, 07:50 PM
Marshall has released the plexi amps, the super leads.Thats what ed started with. Curt mitchell form the learn to burn guitar videos had a video called in the style of van halen he tells you what you need. Right now I have a crate digital amp....the gain isnt very powerfull I cant get a good van halen sound out of that amp . That amps mainly sounds like led zeppelin or acdc. In order to get a van halen sound I use a distortion pedal.....but thats too powerfull....ahhhhhh darn. This may help get a marshall amp ...they all sound good. Go to a guitar store try them out buy what you like if money can buy it. Then you need a mxr phase mainly used for solos on the first album. You can get one for about 65.00 at musicians friend.com. Take it from there maybe you could ask people who work at guitar store. But you have to try out the marshalls then see what effects you need. Sorry for all the writing....im bored and have nothing else to do......wait a minute ill play guitar yahooo....

tribb
08.16.00, 09:12 PM
Jim
My marshall's modded, but doesn't sound like the amp on the first album, and we all know Ed would sound like himself playing a 50.00 guitar through a pig nose amp. I don't use any effects except for some phase and delay, and sometimes some flange. I don't use any gain effects at all so I'm not the guy to talk to about that. I know there's guys on here that are a hell of a lot more knowledgable about Ed's sound than me.
I think the right guitar, with the right pickup would make a huge difference, maybe more so than the amp, but I think if you get the right amp with enough gain you wouldn't need an extra gain pedal anyway. You could probably tune a 5150 in pretty close. After the first album Ed's sound changed, so I'd say get a marshall and go from there, but I doubt anyone will agree with me so I think it's just a matter of experimenting and letting your ears decide.
I know that's really no help.
I heard an amp called a line 6 spyder recently that sounded good with my guitar going through it. It's solid state, but does sound good when set up right, and pretty close to the early sound.
Maybe you could just hit your local music store and try out everything you can.
Sorry I couldn't help more, but I think your ears will have to make your mind up for you. Good luck.

Jape Man
08.17.00, 08:32 AM
I would suggest starting with an older Marshall too. A plexi or super lead will cost you some bucks, but if you don't want to spend big dollars you could always get an old Marshall JMP 100 or 50 watt for around $600. Contrary to a lot of opinion, Eddie's tone on that first record is not overly distorted. He's just plain LOUD. That's pretty much where it's at when it comes to getting that big Marshall overdrive sound. One trick you could try is to use an overdrive pedal with the drive totally off and the level cranked. This will "slam" your front end of the am and help push your amp into that "melting tube" territory. So, crank your amp and don't bogg your signal down with multi-effects. I've always maintained that if it's a professional tone and rig you're after, stay away from the Zoom stuff and and the other multi-effects processors. Keeping it simple will help you get closer to that wonderful VH tone. ("simple" is a relative term. I ocaasionally use my Bradshaw switching system with two Marshall heads and a rack of stuff, but the overall tone is still very pure and simple.). Gook luck!

Brett
08.17.00, 09:36 AM
I can get fairly close to Eddie's early tone on my 5150. Not that VH1 tone, as that is just a bit to sweet for the 5150, but more towards the VH2/WACF tone. If you crank a 5150's pre-gain rhythm past 7, it's way too buzzy and distorted, and sounds lousy I think. I keep that at about 6.5 and crank the post gain up and I am able to get fairly close to Ed's tone with a few other tweaks. I hate those multi-effects things and racks, so I just use a few stomp boxes, like the Phase 90, Boss Digital Delay, Boss Flange, that's basically it. I do have a rack that I use for one song to get a huge sweeping reverbed chorus, but man I just don't like that processed tone at all. I agree with Jape Man, keep your signal as clean as possible, when I've thrown all the effects on there is when I lose that Eddie warmth. Good luck.

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homeunit
08.17.00, 10:38 AM
I used to run a 5150 head, 5150 slant cab, and a marshall slant cab. I'd run the 5150 into a Marshall power amp, then into a spx90 which split the signal. I'd be dry on the Marshall side, and wet on the Peavey side. Kind of a cheaper version of Eddie's setup. That worked for me but it's not really practical when your giging, so for that I was some what like Bretts.

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JimboHalen
08.17.00, 10:56 AM
Actually I just started playing guitar a while ago. I have a small crate gx-15 amp, and I bought a boss- metal zone pedal. That still doesn't give me the sound I want. The amp I am probably going to buy is the Marshall vs30r (30 watts). Then I am thinking I will have to buy a processor. Am I on the right track so far? What is a good processor to buy?

ian
08.18.00, 12:52 PM
Don't buy a cheap Valvestate amp. just continue to save until you have enough to buy the 5150. This way you won't waste alot of money in between.



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Edward Van Halen
08.18.00, 12:55 PM
Should i get the peavey 5150 combo are the big stack?

AbeVanHalen
08.18.00, 01:14 PM
As a 5150 owner who DOESN'T play out anymore, I think a combo is FAR more practical--you can actually GO somewhere with it without a hernia.

As blasphemous as this will sound, I am into processors BIG TIME--I don't like a dry guitar sound. I use a cheapo Digitech TSR-12, and it does mostly everything I could want it to do. When it comes to deciding which multi-effects processor is best for you, keep in mind that with the amazing level of technology we have, even the inexpensive units are of great quality. My personal favorites are the Alesis Quadraverbs, even the old ones. You can pick one up from Ebay or whatever for a couple bills. The one thing I'm adamant on is to steer clear of boxes that say 'Crate' and 'ART'-these are NOT professional sounding at all, and I keep seeing them pop up used for almost NO money; people can't pawn them off fast enough. Also keep in mind that while more sophistated units are harder to program, they offer MUCH more flexibility than something that's TOO easy to use.

Overall, remember that you DON'T have to spend a lot of money to get good sounds, but you DO need to play well to sound good. And if you had a time machine, you could take a $300 unit of today back to 1985 and sell it to the Record Plant for $10,000. The biggest problem with processors is that most of them drop out when you switch patches on them. Watch for this if you need seamless changing-that will cost you more money. So look to all the major companies (Digitech, Alesis, Boss/Roland, etc) for affordable units, and look to t.c. electronics, lexicon, and Eventide for top of the line stuff. Question: anyone tried the new Behringer gear? Those are cheap, but I see them in studios EVERYWHERE nowadays, but I haven't had a chance to play with them.

ONE4GIPR
08.18.00, 01:59 PM
I use the Digitech RP-20. The presets "Eddie of Old" (ala 1978)and factory presets 1 (5150 and newer). I have tweaked the config. some, but not much. I play through a "clean" amp. If you have two amps, the eddie of old works great due to a signal split config. To save money, buy a solid state monitor or cube. Check ebay or your local used music shop. I know this is cheating to the pureist, but is it about the music and having fun? Hope this helps you.

Brett
08.18.00, 02:00 PM
The factory preset is actually called "Eddie Of Old?"

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ONE4GIPR
08.18.00, 02:01 PM
Oh, I forgot. After you invest in the equipment, be prepared to be disappointed. The brown sound is EHV's fingers.

ONE4GIPR
08.18.00, 02:04 PM
You're right. On the signature series of presets its called "eddie of old"; I refer to this as EVH 1978. The second sound, on the first set of presets, I think it is called Vallhalla- something like that.. I refer to this as 5150.

Good catch..

ONE4GIPR
08.18.00, 02:07 PM
Brett,

I think Digitech did away with this preset lable on its newer models. If not the whole preset. I bought the RP-20 when it was brand new.

heatmiser
08.19.00, 04:03 PM
Let's not forget about the settings of your amp too. You might want to keep the mid at mid range(about 1/2), keep the highs at mid range and keep your lows almost to 10 maybe about 7.5 or 8. I play thru my amp on the clean signal(Crate solid state) with an Digitech RP-7 and if you use something like that you can really modify your sound by going and changing the different pre-sets. You can maybe go out and buy a new pickup for your guitar too, try a PAF 57 by Dimarzio or Duncan(I forget). I can come close to Ed's sound maybe around the same time range as Brett or maybe 1984. It's all trial by error as someone already said, " be ready to be disappointed"!!!

JimboHalen
08.20.00, 01:10 PM
I'll name off some processors I've been looking at, and you guys tell me which one is the BEST BUY. Digitech - RP100, RP2000, RP-3. Boss ME-30. I heard the RP2000 is awesome, but that is a little spendy. I suppose I'll buy it if that one is THAT much better than the RP-3 which sell for $200.
I am only 18 years old who is just starting to play guitar.

JimboHalen
08.20.00, 02:02 PM
Add Digitech rp-7 to the list. Would that one be better to get than the rp-3?

heatmiser
08.20.00, 03:58 PM
Do add the RP-7 it's a step up from the 3.

JimboHalen
08.20.00, 04:47 PM
What's the difference between the rp-3,and the rp-7?

heatmiser
08.21.00, 05:30 PM
It's a step up from the 3 and has a little more effects to work with. It's a good investment for a small price. I've played out with it and it sounds great.