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Push
09.03.00, 01:04 PM
I'm sorry but the 5150 amp just sounds like a heap of buzzy garbage to me. I really think all the years of touring has effected Eddies ears. I think he can't hear the treble as much anymore. The high frequencies are the ones that go first. Why else would he have put away his marshals in favor of the 5150? Money? I don't by that.

I will say that VH3 had some better guitar sounds but over all The earlier records just sound warmer and badder(in a good way) then the noises he's making these days. Just my opinion.

homeunit
09.03.00, 01:49 PM
That's pretty funny Push!

I thought that the VH3 live tone was the worst I've ever heard from Ed! A lot seemed to like it but to me it was too much gain buzzsaw noise!

The thing with a 5150 is you need to turn them up well past 5 before you get those output tubes cooking hot enough to loses that buz shit!

I would say that the most consistant blunder people make with the 5150 is too much gain/resonance and not enough volumehttp://208.50.7.95/vhlforum/smilies/biggrin.gif

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bcgvh
09.03.00, 01:58 PM
Do you think that VH3 tour sound has anything to do with the Wolfgang guitars? Because Ed's been using 5150 amps since the F.U.C.K. tour. I've never played a Wolfgang, so I don't know what they sound like when they're played through a 5150 vs. a Marshall.

homeunit
09.03.00, 02:35 PM
Tribb's the gut to ask, but Ed was using some Wolf Prototypes during the Balance tour an as far as I can remember, they sounded fine, (I'll have to have a second listen). But thet were prototypes so who knows what the guts were.

IMO the Balnce tour was some of Ed's best tones, and when I heard the 3 stuff, I thought the same thing! I'm not a big Wolf fan myself and I've played more lemons than keepers, so my opinion is biased!

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Wolfie3
09.03.00, 04:47 PM
I fucking LOVED Ed's tone on the 3 tour! Fucking raw and kick-ass all the way. He hadn't sounded that good since the first album to me. I just love that tone. The complete opposite of his sound on the few previous tours (and albums) before that. Especially OU812 and FUCK. That was really half the reason I wasn't crazy about those albums.

It's weird how the live tone was no where to be found on the album. http://208.50.7.95/vhlforum/smilies/frown.gif Hopefully we'll get it on the new album. http://208.50.7.95/vhlforum/smilies/wink.gif

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homeunit
09.03.00, 05:06 PM
Wow this is nuts!

We should have a poll!

It seems you either love the 3 live tone or you hate it!

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Push
09.03.00, 05:12 PM
The wolfgang's sound great I have three. Its the 5150 that sounds all buzzy. I will agree that most people use too much gain without turning up the amp but believe me I have owned the 5150 and even with the amp turned up it still sounds like a chain saw to my ears.

My 71 Marshall simply blows it away. Its not even close. As far as VH3 goes. I can't imagine anyone preferring the guitar sounds on Balance over 3. There is that buzzy sound on certain tunes but over all The tone just stomps all over the previous few records but that's just my opinion.

tribb
09.03.00, 06:13 PM
I agree 100% with Push. I could never get a sound I considered good out of my 5150, but I kept at it because of the gain it had, trying to ignore the hiss, squeal, grittyness, and cold sound it had. Then I stumbled across a guy with a marshall. He had it modded, and finally told me who did it for him. After getting one and playing it I couldn't go back to a 5150. There's just no reason.

homeunit
09.03.00, 06:25 PM
I was talking about the live tonehttp://208.50.7.95/vhlforum/smilies/biggrin.gif I actually don't even own the Balance album, just lots of boots!

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bcgvh
09.03.00, 07:11 PM
You know Eddie's tone changed ALOT between the Balance and 3 tours. But for the most part he was using the same equipment, right? Well, I know he used an Ernie Ball for most of the songs on Balance, but I'm talking about the few songs he used the Wolfgangs on. The 3 tour did sound a lot more like the VH1 sound too. You really can't compare the different tones Ed's used through the tours because each one was quite different, but in a good way. I don't think you could say any of them sucked. A lot of people hated the sound Eddie had during the US Festival '83 show. Just my opinion.

Brandon

Mark Van Halen
09.03.00, 08:25 PM
don't get me wrong, i love the guy and he kicks ass, but i'd rather hear the tone from the earlier days. the tone from 3 sounded too clean to me, just my opinion.

Rick S
09.04.00, 08:44 AM
cmon ed s tone although differnt at times has never really sucked......well i will say i think his tone on the diver down tour was lackin alot because his marshall was just dying it was spent......im sure he knew that though....i liked the balance tone alot myself nice and thick.....but overall id go with that variaced marshall myself if i had a choice for my own rig...but then again i like mesa boogie dual rectifiers too..so what do i know...

sinner's swing
09.04.00, 08:51 AM
well (sarcasm alert) since none of us have heard Ed's NEW tone, I can't speculate. http://208.50.7.95/vhlforum/smilies/smile.gifhttp://208.50.7.95/vhlforum/smilies/smile.gifhttp://208.50.7.95/vhlforum/smilies/smile.gif I bet it kicks ass. I like the sound of the VH3 cd but the live show was really raw. Year to the Day really smoked and sounded different though.

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Unchained Wolfie
09.04.00, 11:29 AM
The last time Ed had as good of tone as he did on the 3 tour was the 5150 tour.

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jimmy
09.04.00, 05:11 PM
I bought a 5150 because it was cheap.

I looked at Marshalls and Mesa's, but,....the 5150 was a cheap, reliable amp that looked cool!

I didn't even play one! Hell I was using a 20-watt Peavey Combo at the time I purchased mine.

You dudes are really fuckin' into "tone". I've noticed differences in Ed's sound throughtout the years, but I always think it's just the amount of delay and chorus he has on his singal. I don't care what amp he's playing in what ever decade, when he's playing shit like Poundcake and Cabo Wabo, he's got a shit load of effects on the live stuff. When he play the live shit on the "3" Tour, it was dry. Real dry.

Push
09.04.00, 05:11 PM
Eddie has gone back to the basics on 3 and I have a feeling the new album will be even rawer. I'm so glad he has gotten away from that overly compressed chorus/delay sound.
Diverdown has some great guitar sounds. My favorites in terms of guitar sounds would have to be VH1, Fair warning, 1984 and parts of 3.

The old Who records are the way Rock music should sound. Raw and in your face.

6String
09.04.00, 07:52 PM
I don't really worry about the tone........
I'm still stuck on liking all the chopped up Kramers he used in the 80's

Played a Wolfgang and an Ernie Ball ant thought the EB sounded a little different and a little better than the WG

Rick S
09.05.00, 07:08 AM
i have to say the sweetest amp ive played was a soldano hotrod 50 covered in bright yellow tolex(sweet)..through a vintage marshall cab....i wanted that head so bad !!!!!

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Brett
09.05.00, 10:41 AM
Guys you really can't compare Mesas and Soldanos to a 5150. Those are really high-end amps, and the 5150 is a much more affordable amp.

For me, the 5150 is fine, I can a good tone, like most have said, less gain-more volume. It's an excellent for the price and I can beat the crap out if it, and it still sounds fine. Personally I like the tone of my Wolfie better than my EBMM, seems to have more bite to it.

For the record, I dug Eddie's VH3 tour tone a lot. And "Balance" has great tone IMHO.

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tribb
09.05.00, 12:57 PM
Brett, I agree. The balance sound was great.
You say your Wolf has more bite than your EBMM. That can't be right. The EB should have quite a bit more bite. There may be somehting wrong there. You'd better send it to me, so I can check it out..lol

Brett
09.05.00, 01:15 PM
LOL! I don't know, the pickups in my Wolfie seem "hotter."

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Push
09.06.00, 07:44 AM
I own Wolfgangs and an Axis and I prefer the sound and feel of the wolfgangs and Brett is right the Wolfgangs pickups have a slightly higher output than the Axis but its a very clear sounding pickup not clean but Clear. The neck on a Musicman is too small and narrow for me. As far as quality goes. The wolfgang does not match the attention to detail of the Axis.

I think it is fair to compare the 5150 with a Soldano or Boogie. Although I'm not a huge fan of the 5150 I really dislike anything by boogie or Soldano. No, I haven't played every amp made by them but enough to know that their idea of good tone is not my idea.

To me the 5150 is buzz and a soldano is buzz taken to extremes.

If you want an old Vanhalen like tone for next to nothing, Buy a sovtek mig 50 (not the mig 50 H)used for under $200 bucks. That's right ! All tube 50 watts with great tone for under $200.Amazing amps for the money. I'll take one over a 5150 anyday. Thats why I have two and am buying another for $150.



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Roshambo
09.06.00, 11:46 AM
I thought Ed's live tone during 98 was fantastic, although as I live in Australia I have only been fortunate enough to see the VH3 tour. As far as the tone on the VH3 album goes, I don't like it at all.
For the new album, I am hoping for a tone like Ed had on 'Me Wise Magic' but a little drier.
Brett, does your Wolfgang guitar have a solid basswood body or a flame maple top? My Wolfgang seems to have a bit more grunt than my EBMM, but I always thought that was due to my Wolfgang having a solid basswood body (color black).

Rick S
09.06.00, 01:58 PM
a sovtek over a soldano hotrod or mesa rectifier? i dunno bout that....seems to me a sovtek would last about 5 mins on the road too.......i d try one though why not? and personally i like distortion hell i love distortion!! whats wrong with a nice full overdriven to hell sound? i ve never thought of eds 5150 distorted tones as buzzy...you can still hear all the notes and chords its not mushy at all...in fact on my 3 tour boots it seems ed s gotten fairly close to that old sound just more distorted which is fine with me...

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homeunit
09.06.00, 02:16 PM
I liked the tone on the Best Of trackshttp://208.50.7.95/vhlforum/smilies/biggrin.gif

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Push
09.06.00, 06:25 PM
A sovtek is built to military specs in Russia. It has ceramic tube sockets and is basically built like a tank. It is made for the road. I like distortion too But there is a huge difference between preamp distortion (5150) and powertube distortion (mig 50)
If you like that high gain buzzy stuff than the 5150 is great but Eddies old tone is not really high gain.

BrownSound1
09.06.00, 06:30 PM
Personally, you all should dump those amps and get you a Pignose! http://208.50.7.95/vhlforum/smilies/biggrin.gif (Just kidding of course) I'll tell you the thing I don't like about Ed's tone now is that goddamn harmonizer. THAT is the thing that has changed his tone the most, IMO. Also, a Wolfie sounds as though it has a more "scooped" sound to me, meaning that the lows and highs are boosted much more than the mids. I guess they sound more Stratty, than the EBMM. Now I do like Ed's recorded tones on Human's Being, MWM, and CGTSNM, and I'm not saying his tone sucks on any album (although 5150 has got to be his worst!) However, if I listen to the first album, or Fair Warning, then listen to the later stuff and compare tones, I'm going to pick his early tone every time.

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Unchained Wolfie
09.06.00, 07:34 PM
I dont think Ed wanted his 5150's to be high end pricy amps. He said he tried to get the sound he got out of his beat up marshall. and his Marshall looked like it had been dragged behind a car for 10 miles according to Mr Peavey!!

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Push
09.06.00, 07:50 PM
Brownsound is right.
The Harmonizer or chorus/delay is what I hate about his newer tone. It just does nothing to improve the natural sound of an overdriven guitar amp.
I prefer the wolfgangs pickups over the axis's. They both lack midrange punch but this can be a good thing. The result is a smoother warmer tone but sacrifices a little bit of that raw in your face sound of the earlier records.

AbeVanHalen
09.06.00, 09:08 PM
This may be sacrilege, but i PREFER a more processed sound, ie chorusing, delay, etc. I agree that the 5150 is buzzy when played straight through, but it gets much smoother with a processor in the loop.

Plus, we're talking 'tone' here, which is rather subjective.

And the discussion is reminiscent of many I've heard--mostly with metal players, that any 'effects' ruin a guitar sound. Ugh---it gets old fast arguing it.

By the way, maybe if Eddie would use at least a little reverb on something, maybe that newer sound wouldn't bother you guys so much.

Anyway, just my 2 cents....not accounting for inflation.

Rick S
09.07.00, 03:30 AM
wheres a good site to check out the sovtek amps and who sels em?

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Push
09.07.00, 07:28 AM
As far as the sovtek stuff goes, I don't even think they are still making the mig 50, Try a search for Sovtek. I have a near mint Mig 50 with an add on master volume that I would sell for $200.

Mattyo5150
09.07.00, 11:21 AM
Um, the tone on Fair Warning is the best for how underprocessed it is but balance has some kickass tones. However a Year to the Day is sooo awesome and Ed just plays these bitchin chords in the clean bits and then the Fernandes sustainer just bites at the chorus line. I don't mind his new tone but Dirty Water Dog's main riff is just too clean for my liking. If it had more gain then DWD would be hell kickass!

kujo
09.07.00, 11:40 AM
-I loved the tone on Balance. The record and the tour.

-I liked the sound on 3, and agree that the live tone was WAY RAW....back to basics alright.

-I, personally love the tone and feel of my 2 Musicmans over my Wolf. The EVH's are definatley hotter/brighter..

Look for my other post re: Soldano's, 5150's.....

Peace,

kurt

Leonidas
10.05.00, 05:04 PM
Eddie had the best sound only the first album, then 1984 album and then in the video tape Live Without a Net and of course the amazing solo of Beat It.In the most of the other albums he was experimenting and try to find the tone he wants with combinations of guitars, pickups and amps.Also through years its natural for a musician to try new sounds that will also help him to compose.

homeunit
10.05.00, 06:46 PM
The intro tone to Drop Dead Legs kills me!

Also the LWAN tone was killer, especially Summer Nights and 5150http://www.vhforums.com/vhlforum/smilies/biggrin.gif

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