2009/2010 MLB Hot Stove Thread - Page 4

Eddymon · 11.06.09, 10:23 AM

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Damn good move if he's just the 4th outfielder.

Not so much if he's the starting LF, LOL.

Can he hit doubles too?

billy007 · 11.06.09, 05:00 PM

his first in the majors was a grand slam - it's been all downhill since! He's young enough, I'd really like to see him get his ship righted, maybe the move to Boston will bring that to fruition. Hopefully the guys shipped south will be able to help out in the next year or two.

It's Mike · 11.07.09, 12:25 PM

the Yankees' payroll allows them to sign the best and brightest to play for their team. There is no such "best and brightest" policy in regards to their fans though.

NEW YORK -- New York City office workers who got carried away during the Yankees victory parade apparently began tossing files and documents out the window when they couldn't get their hands on confetti.

A financial auditor who attended Friday's the parade tells The New York Post that he found all kinds of personal financial documents in the mountains of shredded paper tossed from skyscrapers as the players rode up Broadway in Manhattan.

They included pay stubs, banking data, law firm memos and even some court files.

The founder of one financial firm says it reprimanded an "overzealous" employee for throwing records out the window that should have been shredded.

Ticker-tape parades on Broadway are a tradition for champion New York sports teams.

atomicpunk5150 · 11.07.09, 02:48 PM

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Forcing their hand? Absolutely not. Boston spends for the exact same reason that NY spends--because they feel it's beneficial to them. I love how the lack of a salary cap is not a problem to Boston fans unless it has to do with the Yankees. Why don't fans in Boston complain about the money the Cubs and Mets spend? Probably because those teams aren't the owners of 27 World Titles. Funny how that works. It's not a problem unless you win.

No its always a problem in MLB and who are the ones that created the art of spending more than anyone else? That would be your New York Yankees. And the notion of the 27 World titles always amazes me. Most people that I encounter have no emotional connection to 20-22 of the world titles since they weren't alive when they won them. I wasn't alive during any of Boston's world titles prior to 2004 and 2007 so therefore, while its part of my team history it doesn't resonate with me as I have no memories connecting me to them and any Yankee fan that says different about their team is full of shit. I don't care if you watch it on DVD it isn't the same as living through it.

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Boston loves to benefit from the lack of a salary cap, but when it's the Yankees benefiting...ohhhhh, no. We need a salary cap NOW!

Did I say that Boston didn't benefit from it? No I didn't. It all goes back to the fact that if Boston wants to stay competitive in the AL East with their bitter rival then they are FORCED to try and spend somewhere in the same vicinity as the Yankees. If the Angels were in the AL East they would be in the same situation.

FYI - I don't complain about the Mets or the Cubs spending a) because they are in the National League and b) because they seem to not spend it wisely.

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I've said it before, I would have no problem with a salary cap, as long as there was a floor, also. But to use the fact that there currently isn't one in place as an excuse for hating the Yankees success is nothing but a bunch of jealous hater running their mouths.

And yes if there is going to be a cap there should also be a minimum that a team has to spend.

Wray · 11.07.09, 03:23 PM

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No its always a problem in MLB and who are the ones that created the art of spending more than anyone else? That would be your New York Yankees. And the notion of the 27 World titles always amazes me. Most people that I encounter have no emotional connection to 20-22 of the world titles since they weren't alive when they won them. I wasn't alive during any of Boston's world titles prior to 2004 and 2007 so therefore, while its part of my team history it doesn't resonate with me as I have no memories connecting me to them and any Yankee fan that says different about their team is full of shit. I don't care if you watch it on DVD it isn't the same as living through it.

Uhhh...ok.

What does that have to do with anything? My point is relevant to nothing regarding Yankees fans, past or present. It's about a legacy of winning. If the Yankees, for whatever reason, dropped of the face of the earth, and it was now the Mets that had the highest payroll in baseball, nobody would have a problem with it. It's quite futile to bitch about a perennial disappointment. The Yankees, however, have a legacy of championship baseball; one that is bigger than any other team in any other sport.

If money buys you championships, then it's quite confusing on why the Yankees couldn't beat Arizona in '01, the Angels in '02, the Marlins in '03; why Boston couldn't beat the Rays last year...so on and so forth.

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Did I say that Boston didn't benefit from it? No I didn't. It all goes back to the fact that if Boston wants to stay competitive in the AL East with their bitter rival then they are FORCED to try and spend somewhere in the same vicinity as the Yankees. If the Angels were in the AL East they would be in the same situation.

lol

How convenient. You lose the right to complain about a problem when you only contribute to it, regardless of the situation. That's akin to bitching about gas prices while continuing to drive your gas-guzzling SUV.

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FYI - I don't complain about the Mets or the Cubs spending a) because they are in the National League and b) because they seem to not spend it wisely.

Exactly. Thanks for proving my point. It's only a problem when you're a winner.

Bob_R · 11.07.09, 05:26 PM

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I wasn't alive during any of Boston's world titles prior to 2004 and 2007

All Boston fans can say the same thing.

Brett · 11.07.09, 05:42 PM

I have to say, Red Sox fans are weird. Yankee fans are arrogant bitches sure, but Red Sox fans really do obsess over the Yankees.

Who cares how much money the Yankees spend. Money didn't buy the Yankees a title for nearly 10 years, so who gives a shit. Hell they didn't even make the playoffs last year.

atomicpunk5150 · 11.07.09, 06:36 PM

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Uhhh...ok.

What does that have to do with anything? My point is relevant to nothing regarding Yankees fans, past or present. It's about a legacy of winning. If the Yankees, for whatever reason, dropped of the face of the earth, and it was now the Mets that had the highest payroll in baseball, nobody would have a problem with it. It's quite futile to bitch about a perennial disappointment. The Yankees, however, have a legacy of championship baseball; one that is bigger than any other team in any other sport.

Alright so I got a little side tracked on my point. Sue me.

And as I stated earlier yes I would have a problem with it if it was the Mets, Red Sox or anyone else.

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If money buys you championships, then it's quite confusing on why the Yankees couldn't beat Arizona in '01, the Angels in '02, the Marlins in '03; why Boston couldn't beat the Rays last year...so on and so forth.

Let me make this simpler for you since its not getting through...Money doesn't buy championships per se. But it does provide you with a greater and unfair opportunity to bring players in that others teams can't afford and therefore a greater chance of making the playoffs and a greater chance of winning a world title on a more frequent basis. Of course the players need to execute but once you are in "The Dance" your chances are 50/50 at worst.

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lol

How convenient. You lose the right to complain about a problem when you only contribute to it, regardless of the situation. That's akin to bitching about gas prices while continuing to drive your gas-guzzling SUV..

It's fucking laughable that your typical Yankee supporting arrogance doesn't allow you to see anything from anyone else's perspective other than the Yankees. As long as everything is dandy in Yankee land it doesn't matter how the rest of the league is affected, right

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Exactly. Thanks for proving my point. It's only a problem when you're a winner.

No it isn't. It's a problem for the entire league. I don't care if its the Yankees or any other team. Each team should have a cap and each team should have a minimum. Do you really find it fair for a team like the Royals or Pirates to be perennial losers because they don't have the financial resources to compete with those with more money? My feelings would be the same even if the Red Sox won the World Series this year. I'm sure no Yankee fan truly wants a cap as it would upset the balance of things as they currently stand.

Eddymon · 11.07.09, 06:36 PM

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I have to say, Red Sox fans are weird. Yankee fans are arrogant bitches sure, but Red Sox fans really do obsess over the Yankees.

Who cares how much money the Yankees spend. Money didn't buy the Yankees a title for nearly 10 years, so who gives a shit. Hell they didn't even make the playoffs last year.

It won't buy you a title but it does make your odds better. USC is going through that same Yankee drought right now.

I am tired of Yankee fans talking about how others also have huge payrolls too even though they are all well below what the Yanks spend. Its called keeping up with the Jones'. I'd bet those teams want to win too, but in order to have a realistic chance they too need to overspend for talent, they just do not have the means to go as high as NYY does.

A cap is needed in all sports IMO, a minimum is also needed too.

Brett · 11.07.09, 06:56 PM

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It won't buy you a title but it does make your odds better. USC is going through that same Yankee drought right now.

Gee you're so funny.

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I am tired of Yankee fans talking about how others also have huge payrolls too even though they are all well below what the Yanks spend. Its called keeping up with the Jones'. I'd bet those teams want to win too, but in order to have a realistic chance they too need to overspend for talent, they just do not have the means to go as high as NYY does.

You're such a whiner and you're not making sense. The Marlins won a title over the mighty Yankees, the Angels didn't haven big payroll players when they won. Arizona won a title, St. Louis isn't exactly a media mecca, they won a title. The White Sox didn't have a big payroll. Hell how about Tampa Bay last year? Teams have won with home-grown talent.

It's always Red Sox fans who obsess over this shit, no one else does.

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A cap is needed in all sports IMO, a minimum is also needed too.

I don't agree, but then again that's nothing new.

Wray · 11.07.09, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by atomicpunk5150

Let me make this simpler for you since its not getting through...Money doesn't buy championships per se. But it does provide you with a greater and unfair opportunity to bring players in that others teams can't afford and therefore a greater chance of making the playoffs and a greater chance of winning a world title on a more frequent basis. Of course the players need to execute but once you are in "The Dance" your chances are 50/50 at worst.

No, it's getting through, it just doesn't have any weight behind it.

Do you really think big players "excecuting" is all it takes to win? I guess good managing, good coaching, clubhouse chemistry and gritty play just don't mean a thing, eh? Nah, all you need is a bunch of high-priced players and you have everything taken care of.

You better go explain your baseball philosophy to the Rays and Mets, because I don't think they are buying into it. Those are two teams whose outcomes are flying right in the face of your dichotomy.

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It's fucking laughable that your typical Yankee supporting arrogance doesn't allow you to see anything from anyone else's perspective other than the Yankees. As long as everything is dandy in Yankee land it doesn't matter how the rest of the league is affected, right

Good luck with that stance. Until this year, everything in Yankee land sure hasn't been "dandy" since 2000.

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No it isn't. It's a problem for the entire league. I don't care if its the Yankees or any other team. Each team should have a cap and each team should have a minimum. Do you really find it fair for a team like the Royals or Pirates to be perennial losers because they don't have the financial resources to compete with those with more money? My feelings would be the same even if the Red Sox won the World Series this year. I'm sure no Yankee fan truly wants a cap as it would upset the balance of things as they currently stand.

I've already told you that a salary cap wouldn't bother me in the least. So keep muttering on about how you think NY fans will feel about something that so far hasn't happened.

Brett · 11.07.09, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by atomicpunk5150

No it isn't. It's a problem for the entire league. I don't care if its the Yankees or any other team. Each team should have a cap and each team should have a minimum. Do you really find it fair for a team like the Royals or Pirates to be perennial losers because they don't have the financial resources to compete with those with more money? My feelings would be the same even if the Red Sox won the World Series this year. I'm sure no Yankee fan truly wants a cap as it would upset the balance of things as they currently stand.

Explain then how Tampa Bay beat both Boston and the Yankees last year in AL, when they were a team that had never even finished over .500 before and had one of (if not THE, I don't know) smallest payrolls in baseball?

Eddymon · 11.07.09, 07:07 PM

It also has to do with who you spend it on.
Florida grew some homegrown talent and had too dominating pitchers to go along with a nice mix of veteran and young position players. Same goes for St. Louis.
NY in the past spent big money on guys like Kevin Brown and Carl Pavano and again a couple years back with Clemens to come back. Remember Suzie Waltman's orgasm?

They also spent alot on A-Rod who until this year has had terrible post season stats.

It took some time to buy the right parts when they got CC (who did better in the NY pressure cooker than most thought he would) and Texiera (who struggled early without A-Rod and again in the post season for the most part).
Now comes the big test when the longtime Yankee guys you could trust like Mariano, Jeter and Posada are all getting longer in the tooth and who they get to replace them down the road.

Wray · 11.07.09, 07:16 PM

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Explain then how Tampa Bay beat both Boston and the Yankees last year in AL, when they were a team that had never even finished over .500 before and had one of (if not THE, I don't know) smallest payrolls in baseball?

They can't explain it, Brett. They can't see that for 9 years the Yankees have been trying to buy a title, and it didn't work. They can talk all they want about the big money that Tex, C.C. and A.J. recieved, but they'll never admit that it was their personalities and the chemistry that they brought to this team that meant more than their talent (not to forget Swisher). Not only that, but we had one of the better bullpens in the AL, and other than Rivera, they were all no-names and rookies.

They are just as many homegrown players on this year's Yankee team as there are free agents and players that were traded here.

I think it's funny that the Yanks are accused of buying titles, because not only is it not true, it doesn't work!

It's Mike · 11.07.09, 07:53 PM

The Yankees (and every other team that spends way above the average team) has an advantage over most everyone else. Since the Yankees spend the most (by far) they have the biggest advantage. When they spend that much more they (and their fans) should get used to being accused of buying a title. Why? Because that's exactly what they just did. Not that there is anything at all wrong with that. Be happy they are taking advantage of a resource.