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Old 11.05.09, 02:34 PM   #31
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True enough just keep in mind Wray that the Yankees were first in spending (at approximately 202 million) and the Red Sox were fourth. There is a difference of approximately 80 million dollars in their 2009 payrolls. And the fact that the Red Sox can't ignore the luxury tax and the Yankees can.

That being said any team that wins 103 regular season games deserves to win the World Series.
I get the point. It's just not relevant for a Red Sox fan, even when you're speaking exclusively about the Yankees vs. Red Sox.

So the Yankees have an advantage over the Red Sox? Okay. The Red Sox have and advantage over every club except four or five. And we all know that the Red Sox were "fourth" in spending, but that's misleading. Their prospective payroll is bigger than every other club expect the Yankees and Mets.

Boston has a big financial advantage over Colorado and St. Louis. Does that render your two past titles void...?

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Boston has a big financial advantage over Colorado and St. Louis. Does that render your two past titles void...?
Of course not.

But even though I am a fan of a team that can spend more than others I often wonder if Boston wasn't in the AL East would they feel as compelled to spend as much money as they do. Directly competing with the Yankees for division titles / wild card spots and being their bitter rival kind of forces their hand don't you think?

Although the MLB players association would never allow it, baseball clearly NEEDS a salary cap instead of this farce they call a luxury tax. The beauty of the NFL is that there are more teams on an even financial playing field so during any given year, any team has the ability to win the Super Bowl or simply be a contender.

I just think every team should have the ability to entice players to join there club. Even the staunchest Yankee supporter would have to admit that it's unfair that they can basically take the approach of, "Come to us with your last best offer and we'll beat it".
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Old 11.05.09, 04:17 PM   #33
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SEATTLE (AP) — San Francisco Giants star pitcher Tim Lincecum (FSY) is facing misdemeanor marijuana charges following a traffic stop in his home state.

Washington State Patrol spokesman Steve Schatzel said Thursday that the 2008 Cy Young Award winner and former star at the University of Washington was pulled over for speeding on Interstate 5 in the town of Hazel Dell, about four miles north of the Oregon border, on Oct. 30.

An officer approached Lincecum's 2006 Mercedes and smelled marijuana as the pitcher rolled down his window. Schatzel said Lincecum immediately complied with a request to hand over the drug and a marijuana pipe from the car's center console.

The amount measured was 3.3 grams. Schatzel said police consider that a small amount for personal use, well below the maximum of 40 grams before possession is classified differently and carries a more severe penalty.

The arrest was first reported by The Columbian in Vancouver, Wash.

"It was about the size of a thumb, the whole thumb," Schatzel said of the volume of marijuana Lincecum handed over.

Lincecum was fined a total of $622 for driving at 74 mph in a 60 mph zone, and for possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia. Both are misdemeanors.

The 25-year-old All-Star starter entered a plea of not guilty through his attorney on Monday, according to records in Clark County District Court. A hearing that had been scheduled for Friday morning was canceled, pending a pretrial conference between Lincecum's attorney and a county prosecutor on Nov. 23.

Lincecum is currently scheduled to appear before a judge on Dec. 22.

The native of the Seattle suburb of Bellevue went 15-7 with a 2.48 ERA in 32 starts and 225⅓ innings in 2009, his third season in the major leagues. He is 40-17 with a 2.90 ERA in his career, and could be getting a huge, multimillion raise from salary arbitration this offseason.

Teammates consider the smallish right-hander a quirky perfectionist. They also consider him the "Franchise," the nickname they gave him when he broke into the big leagues only a year out of college. Others see his boyish face, shaggy dark hair, his diminutive frame — and his dominance — and call him "The Freak."

San Francisco chose him 10th overall in the 2006 draft out of Washington, and he instantly became the organization's top pitching prospect since Hall of Famer Juan Marichal signed with the New York Giants as an amateur free agent in 1957.


Wow....what a shock that this guy smokes pot!
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While I certainly am biased, I believe his numbers are very deserving for AL Cy Young.

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SEATTLE (AP) — San Francisco Giants star pitcher Tim Lincecum (FSY) is facing misdemeanor marijuana charges following a traffic stop in his home state.

Washington State Patrol spokesman Steve Schatzel said Thursday that the 2008 Cy Young Award winner and former star at the University of Washington was pulled over for speeding on Interstate 5 in the town of Hazel Dell, about four miles north of the Oregon border, on Oct. 30.
heading north to Enumclaw to do some raccoon hunting, no doubt!
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Greinke is the Cy Young winner. No doubt. Anyone that votes otherwise is nuts.
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Greinke is the Cy Young winner. No doubt. Anyone that votes otherwise is nuts.
I agree.

I believe it's a three horse race though. CC and Hernandez also had stellar seasons.


btw...Lincecum was stoned and speeding?? Dude, you're doing it all wrong!
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Old 11.05.09, 06:51 PM   #38
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Greinke is the Cy Young winner. No doubt. Anyone that votes otherwise is nuts.
Indeed. If he doesn't get it they need to examine every member of the voting committee.
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But even though I am a fan of a team that can spend more than others I often wonder if Boston wasn't in the AL East would they feel as compelled to spend as much money as they do. Directly competing with the Yankees for division titles / wild card spots and being their bitter rival kind of forces their hand don't you think?
Forcing their hand? Absolutely not. Boston spends for the exact same reason that NY spends--because they feel it's beneficial to them. I love how the lack of a salary cap is not a problem to Boston fans unless it has to do with the Yankees. Why don't fans in Boston complain about the money the Cubs and Mets spend? Probably because those teams aren't the owners of 27 World Titles. Funny how that works. It's not a problem unless you win.

Boston loves to benefit from the lack of a salary cap, but when it's the Yankees benefiting...ohhhhh, no. We need a salary cap NOW!

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I just think every team should have the ability to entice players to join there club. Even the staunchest Yankee supporter would have to admit that it's unfair that they can basically take the approach of, "Come to us with your last best offer and we'll beat it".
I've said it before, I would have no problem with a salary cap, as long as there was a floor, also. But to use the fact that there currenty isn't one in place as an excuse for hating the Yankees success is nothing but a bunch of jealous hater running their mouths.

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The popular rumor among the Cubs circle right now is that we swap contracts with you guys. Milton Bradley goes to the Blue Jays in exchange for Vernon Wells.

How much stock do I put into this and, if this is true, what's to be expected out of Vernon Wells? Will he help the team or hurt the team?
The Cubs have shot that down completely. They do not want to take on Wells contract, which is three years and a whole lot of millions more then Bradley's.
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Of course not.

But even though I am a fan of a team that can spend more than others I often wonder if Boston wasn't in the AL East would they feel as compelled to spend as much money as they do. Directly competing with the Yankees for division titles / wild card spots and being their bitter rival kind of forces their hand don't you think?

Although the MLB players association would never allow it, baseball clearly NEEDS a salary cap instead of this farce they call a luxury tax. The beauty of the NFL is that there are more teams on an even financial playing field so during any given year, any team has the ability to win the Super Bowl or simply be a contender.

I just think every team should have the ability to entice players to join there club. Even the staunchest Yankee supporter would have to admit that it's unfair that they can basically take the approach of, "Come to us with your last best offer and we'll beat it".


just as importantly major league baseball needs a balanced schedule. The unbalanced sched is one of the reasons that Boston feels the need to spend like crazy. Teams like Tampa, Toronto and Baltimore simply don't have a chance to compete long term unless they are in the top 10 of team salaries.
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The Cubs have shot that down completely. They do not want to take on Wells contract, which is three years and a whole lot of millions more then Bradley's.
i figured there was no way of that happening. I can't imagine anyone taking that contract unless the Jays send a bag of cash the other way.
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I wish I'd made that post I'd jokingly thought of making last night about "The Red Sox can have Hermida" when we were discussing who the Red Sox can get to fill their gaps!

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/...=.jsp&c_id=fla

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I wish I'd made that post I'd jokingly thought of making last night about "The Red Sox can have Hermida" when we were discussing who the Red Sox can get to fill their gaps!

http://florida.marlins.mlb.com/news/...=.jsp&c_id=fla

I'd have looked like a damn oracle!
Only has upside and "IF" he can live up to his potential he would be a steal. But I'm not expecting much.
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Damn good move if he's just the 4th outfielder.

Not so much if he's the starting LF, LOL.
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